Topic: The England Cricket Thread - 2024

[Yorkykopite]

Atherton, Butcher, Hussain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehWkuHa2Jkw

Very interesting. Masterful analysis too (incidentally illustrating how cricket punditry is still light years ahead of the hysterical stuff we get on footy).

[Legs]

We will spend more days in quarantine than we will on the field in this series !

We were doomed months ago I woke up looked at score and wasnt even surprised.

White ball is taking over as that is where all the money is or will be in the future.

Im no fan of Root as captain but even if he wasnt captain it would make no odds the result would be the same.

[lobsterboy]

I usually support england in the cricket but sincerely hope the aussies destroy us 5-0 and Shane Warne comes out and takes a dump on the St. george flag at the Gabba this time.

[Red-Soldier]

We will spend more days in quarantine than we will on the field in this series !

We were doomed months ago I woke up looked at score and wasnt even surprised.

White ball is taking over as that is where all the money is or will be in the future.

Im no fan of Root as captain but even if he wasnt captain it would make no odds the result would be the same.

It's not like us to be chasing the money.............

[Wabaloolah]

At least Buttler top scored. I hope Welshy is having a wry smile to himself somewhere.

And my name has changed!

where is Welshie by the way?

[Roady]

Watched the first ten overs and went to bed.wss expecting to be out for under 100 so that's something I suppose 😂

[Crosby Nick]

Watched the first ten overs and went to bed.wss expecting to be out for under 100 so that's something I suppose 😂

I woke up at 5 to 5 and it was clear no play was going on. I worked out it was Tea so that was fine. They then talked about England probably bowling in the gloomy conditions so I thought that meant we were probably 6 or 7 down and just meant we’d be bowling at some point in the evening session so hopefully it wouldn’t be ‘that’ bad. Then they said we were all out.

Honestly, with the honourable exception of 2010/11 that could have been any morning of any Test in Australia since the early 90s!

[Sangria]

Thanks for that, I hadn’t seen that before, really interesting conversation there.  It’s hard to disagree with a word of it, again with the caveat that I grew up being coached the same way they were.

The mechanics of batting don't change. Only judgement of which risks are worth taking. As the trio demonstrate, the batsmen's understanding of mechanics is lacking, and the results indicate the judgement of risk is also severely off.

[Trump's tiny tiny hands]

Just seen some of the highlights. I always thought you bowled first in Brisbane, if there was even a hint of assistance for the bowlers. Maybe it has changed over the years? 

[Robinred]

Weather forecast for the next four days gives England a fair chance of a draw.

[Gerry Attrick]

Weather forecast for the next four days gives England a fair chance of a draw.

We only need to play for 2 days total to ensure defeat.

[Crosby Nick]

Weather forecast for the next four days gives England a fair chance of a draw.

Which means we probably should have bowled first to reduce the risk of contriving to lose a heavily rain affected match. And even if we do scrape a draw a lot of psychological damage will probably have been done.

[Kekule]

The mechanics of batting don't change. Only judgement of which risks are worth taking. As the trio demonstrate, the batsmen's understanding of mechanics is lacking, and the results indicate the judgement of risk is also severely off.

The Alec Stewart clip was the one that really buried the “I bat on off stump to know where my off stump is” argument for me.  Alec Stewart knew where his off stump was despite having a leg stump guard and playing an aggressive pull shot. Why? Not because he was some kind of mystic, but because he fucking worked at it, watched the ball and knew where he should be putting his feet accordingly.

Too many players at all levels give it the “I like to feel bat on ball” excuse for playing at balls they shouldn’t. All batsmen like to feel bat on ball, but it’s no coincidence that the really good ones are the ones that know where their stumps are and know when they shouldn’t be trying to go after the ball.

[Sangria]

The Alec Stewart clip was the one that really buried the “I bat on off stump to know where my off stump is” argument for me.  Alec Stewart knew where his off stump was despite having a leg stump guard and playing an aggressive pull shot. Why? Not because he was some kind of mystic, but because he fucking worked at it, watched the ball and knew where he should be putting his feet accordingly.

Too many players at all levels give it the “I like to feel bat on ball” excuse for playing at balls they shouldn’t. All batsmen like to feel bat on ball, but it’s no coincidence that the really good ones are the ones that know where their stumps are and know when they shouldn’t be trying to go after the ball.

I also appreciated the point Butcher made, that after his huge movement supposedly reminiscent of Sam Robson covering his stumps, Stewart's eyes were directly above off stump, the same line that Atherton took. Robson's eyes were a couple of inches outside off.

I posted in another thread that "pundit" is derived from a Hindi word meaning "wise man". In cricket, not so much in football, that origin is quite accurate.

[Gerry Attrick]

That video was really cool. They know cricket inside and out.

[scouseman]

Just spent the whole day listening to the whole ball by ball coverage on TMS without knowing what happened

Root is such a bad captain. You win the toss in overhead conditions and you choose to bat. Why not play Broad who has the wood over the Aus top order? When will Leech actually bowl? Play your best team and to lose so many wickets from the side is criminal. I know you could say that England have not had any time to play in the conditions but it just sets a bad example putting 147 on the board. The TMS coverage was very good. The Aus on TV must have been painful to view.

[Gerry Attrick]

Just spent the whole day listening to the whole ball by ball coverage on TMS without knowing what happened

Root is such a bad captain. You win the toss in overhead conditions and you choose to bat. Why not play Broad who has the wood over the Aus top order? When will Leech actually bowl? Play your best team and to lose so many wickets from the side is criminal. I know you could say that England have not had any time to play in the conditions but it just sets a bad example putting 147 on the board. The TMS coverage was very good. The Aus on TV must have been painful to view.

It is an argument that's there to be made but Root is caught between a rock and a hard place. In the summer he elected to bowl first a couple of times and it was a disaster. The batting lineup is just dogshit. This pitch is not doing all sorts, there's enough there but it's hardly a bunsen burner at Kolkata or a green top in Durham.

[Kekule]

It is an argument that's there to be made but Root is caught between a rock and a hard place. In the summer he elected to bowl first a couple of times and it was a disaster. The batting lineup is just dogshit. This pitch is not doing all sorts, there's enough there but it's hardly a bunsen burner at Kolkata or a green top in Durham.

Is there a bit of a stigma attached to electing to bowl first at the Gabba after all the shit that Nasser Hussain has had to put up with over the years?!

I mean in hindsight it would probably have been the right decision to bowl, but I’m sure every England captain at Brisbane since has had the vision of two decades of piss taking coming their way as that coin is coming down.

[Crosby Nick]

It is an argument that's there to be made but Root is caught between a rock and a hard place. In the summer he elected to bowl first a couple of times and it was a disaster. The batting lineup is just dogshit. This pitch is not doing all sorts, there's enough there but it's hardly a bunsen burner at Kolkata or a green top in Durham.

Yeah I agree. Had he put them in and they made 300/2 he’d have been called a coward. Although we’d have had a better chance of scraping a draw.

It was definitely a good toss to lose.

Can’t see how out batting improved much this tour. The day night test(s) might give us more chance of bowling them out but probably just makes us even less likely to post a decent score ourselves.

[Max_powers]

The Alec Stewart clip was the one that really buried the “I bat on off stump to know where my off stump is” argument for me.  Alec Stewart knew where his off stump was despite having a leg stump guard and playing an aggressive pull shot. Why? Not because he was some kind of mystic, but because he fucking worked at it, watched the ball and knew where he should be putting his feet accordingly.

Too many players at all levels give it the “I like to feel bat on ball” excuse for playing at balls they shouldn’t. All batsmen like to feel bat on ball, but it’s no coincidence that the really good ones are the ones that know where their stumps are and know when they shouldn’t be trying to go after the ball.

Atherton's point regarding scoring is an interesting one too. Usually the ball on off-stump or just outside off can be a really good scoring opportunity. You can play your straight and cover drives.

If you start at an off-stump guard then the normal straight ball is really hard to drive at, because it's swinging into your body.

Could be one reason why many of England test batters score slowly.

[nicholasanthony]

Just seen some of the highlights. I always thought you bowled first in Brisbane, if there was even a hint of assistance for the bowlers. Maybe it has changed over the years? 

9 out of 10 times you bat first; the 10th time you think about it and still elect to bat.

[Trump's tiny tiny hands]

9 out of 10 times you bat first; the 10th time you think about it and still elect to bat.

 

It’s always been a good batting wicket hence why I thought, if you saw any advantage, you try and make some in roads. Think I remember NZ falling into the trap a while  ago now. Got two early wickets and that was it for a day and half (or felt like it anyway).

[Crosby Nick]

9 out of 10 times you bat first; the 10th time you think about it and still elect to bat.

Hope you’re well chief?

Are you looking forward to the series (and what’s the Aussie view in general)? Or has it dawned on people it could well be another one way traffics kind of series.

[Chakan]

Just saw the England score, that's... not good.

[nicholasanthony]

Hope you’re well chief?

Are you looking forward to the series (and what’s the Aussie view in general)? Or has it dawned on people it could well be another one way traffics kind of series.

I’m good mate.

I’ve not really been excited for the series but it’s great to have cricket back now it’s started.

I think we should comfortably control the series based on experience and consistency. Our bowling unit is set and experienced, 3-4 experienced competent heads in the batting. I really think that comfortably will be the dominant factor.

[Wabaloolah]

Good first over from Robinson, bowled in the right areas and best the bat with a couple

[Robinred]

I’m good mate.

I’ve not really been excited for the series but it’s great to have cricket back now it’s started.

I think we should comfortably control the series based on experience and consistency. Our bowling unit is set and experienced, 3-4 experienced competent heads in the batting. I really think that comfortably will be the dominant factor.

I’m annoyed to be honest, that your weather forecasts are no more accurate than ours. Rain today? 80% chance according to yesterday’s forecast. Start of play? Not a cloud in the sky😤

[Crosby Nick]

I’m annoyed to be honest, that your weather forecasts are no more accurate than ours. Rain today? 80% chance according to yesterday’s forecast. Start of play? Not a cloud in the sky😤

Storms can gather quickly later in the day. Better had do!

Hoping Robinson can be as good as someone like Angus Fraser. He looks promising and with his height could cause problems here if he gets it up. But don’t really want to get any hopes up.

[Kekule]

We have a wicket!

[Robinred]

Storms can gather quickly later in the day. Better had do!

Hoping Robinson can be as good as someone like Angus Fraser. He looks promising and with his height could cause problems here if he gets it up. But don’t really want to get any hopes up.

Well, there’s the first back in the hutch😃

[voodoo ray]

A GOOD THING HAS HAPPENED!

make the fucking most of that. it'll be a rarity.

[FiSh77]

Missed that, didn't realise they were starting early

[nicholasanthony]

Harris not one of the experienced batsmen I was referring to. 

[Crosby Nick]

Oh God, I’ve had two blissful years forgetting this prick existed.

[duvva 💅]

Oops missed the start.

England are back!

[Kekule]

Labuschagne only averages 99.75 at the Gabba. Nothing for England to worry about then.

[Sangria]

Labuschagne only averages 99.75 at the Gabba. Nothing for England to worry about then.

Every Australian cricketer is called Shane. Even the ones that don't spell it that way.

[Robinred]

Oh just fuck off.

[FiSh77]

Fucks sake the jammy bastard

[rhysd]

Have I just seen Joe Root giving a video interview with the commentators during a drinks break?!