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Red-Soldier · « **Reply #120 on:** April 9, 2016, 11:41:30 am »

Quote from: Filler. on April 9, 2016, 10:54:34 am

...and I did a degree in art, and I know for a fact that you can polish a turd.

Not if it's too soft you can't

deano2727 · « **Reply #121 on:** April 9, 2016, 11:47:30 am »

Quote from: Filler. on April 9, 2016, 12:17:29 am

Not going to be the finisher that Sturridge is. And I wouldn't class Surridge as a finisher either. He can finish sure - not a finisher tho. And they're rare.

There's a clunkyness to Origi, that Sturridge doesn't have. There's nothing silky about Origi. Good feet, potential to work things out, but he's basic.

If you want top four, or a title challenge.., Origi is 3rd/4th choice. A great 3rd/4th choice mind, but a 3rd/4th choice.

Going into next season, you go into it with this in mind.

Sorry, but thats a load of nonsense. At the age he is, he has so much developing ahead of him. Bale was a left back with the same defensive frailties as Moreno back when he was the same age as Origi. Look at him now.

RedSince86 · « **Reply #122 on:** April 9, 2016, 11:48:55 am »

Quote from: Gazza-LFC on April 9, 2016, 10:34:18 am

For me at the moment he isn't, Martial is at it stands the better player. No telling where either will end up though.

Another Janajizzy v Sterling fight.

El Lobo · « **Reply #123 on:** April 9, 2016, 11:58:07 am »

Quote from: deano2727 on April 9, 2016, 11:47:30 am

Sorry, but thats a load of nonsense. At the age he is, he has so much developing ahead of him. Bale was a left back with the same defensive frailties as Moreno back when he was the same age as Origi. Look at him now.

Did you actually read what he wrote?

deano2727 · « **Reply #124 on:** April 9, 2016, 12:19:47 pm »

Quote from: El Lobo on April 9, 2016, 11:58:07 am

Did you actually read what he wrote?

I did. I also responded by saying (in other words), you can't say for definite he will or won't be this or that (which he did) and I backed it up with an example of someone who had a bigger progression to make to where he is now.

Zapata316 · « **Reply #125 on:** April 9, 2016, 01:02:53 pm »

I'm convinced that getting that scouse tongue after he scored previously has held back his goalscoring development by about 5 years. There's fear in them eyes as he shoots.

Vork+The Knights of Good · « **Reply #126 on:** April 9, 2016, 06:19:47 pm »

Quote from: Filler. on April 9, 2016, 12:17:29 am

Not going to be the finisher that Sturridge is. And I wouldn't class Surridge as a finisher either. He can finish sure - not a finisher tho. And they're rare.

There's a clunkyness to Origi, that Sturridge doesn't have. There's nothing silky about Origi. Good feet, potential to work things out, but he's basic.

If you want top four, or a title challenge.., Origi is 3rd/4th choice. A great 3rd/4th choice mind, but a 3rd/4th choice.

Going into next season, you go into it with this in mind.

He's on the exact development path you would want for a young striker. Very few top-level strikers are consistent in their finishing, even in their primes. Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero, Ibrahimovic, Suarez...all great and all see their conversion rates fluctuate from year to year. Messi will convert 26% of his shots one season and then drop down to 14% the next. He didn't get any worse; that's just the nature of finishing in football. What they all do consistently, year in year out, is create shots. Some years they fly in at an astounding rate and some at a frustrating one, but they always shoot. Origi has seen his shot totals trend on a nice upward curve over the past 3 seasons. 2 seasons ago he took a very good number of total shots, but too many were outside the box for a striker. Last season he didn't take as many shots, but those he did take were in better positions (i.e., inside the box). This season he's seen both numbers take a steady step forward (SSS). At his age (and playing in two of the best leagues in Europe) that's really encouraging. If he continues that trend as he matures and gets more minutes then he'll be great. Some years he'll score 25 and others he might only score 15, but he'll always be a threat. And the rest of his game is already rounding into form nicely. I've been saying it for about 18 months now: this kid has a chance to be special. Nothing I've seen with my eyes or in his numbers makes me back down from that belief.

Keita Success · « **Reply #127 on:** April 9, 2016, 11:40:46 pm »

Quote from: Filler. on April 9, 2016, 10:54:34 am

...and I did a degree in art, and I know for a fact that you can polish a turd.

The version I do is a BSC due to being involved with the NHS. Though nice attempt to avoid the fact that I'd proven you completely wrong, buddy.

Doc Red · « **Reply #128 on:** April 10, 2016, 12:28:36 am »

Quote from: Filler. on April 9, 2016, 09:35:54 am

He's not a clunky striker... but in comparison to Sturridge, there's a clunkyNESS to his game. The joys of language.

Funnily enough, I initially read it as "cluckiness", and found myself agreeing to it. Did you mean cluckiness? I think you meant cluckiness. It does rather fit so much better when "cluckiness" is inserted in there.

Quote from: Filler. on April 9, 2016, 09:35:54 am

Origi has shown glimpses of some good feet, but those feet aren't at a level of a Sturridge. Sturridge can almost steal time in the box.

In all seriousness, Absolutely love that explanation. And I think that's what makes Sturridge so special, at his heart he seems to be a born goalscorer with an instinct and knack of knowing just where to be, where the ball might head, and where the goal is, whenever he's in the box. No doubt Origi is going to be an absolute gem of a striker for us (at least, in my opinion), but I've got him down as Henry-lite at his current age, and I'm hoping for the best as far as his potential becoming a reality.

Either way, it bodes well for us that we've got a talent like Origi coming through and able to contribute, as well as a clinical goalscorer as Sturridge to lead the line. And to think we've still got Benteke in the squad, Ings out injured, and Balotelli in our books.

Filler. · « **Reply #129 on:** April 10, 2016, 01:04:36 am »

Quote from: Doc Red on April 10, 2016, 12:28:36 am

And to think we've still got Benteke in the squad, Ings out injured, and Balotelli in our books.

To think we'll have Balottelli on the books gives me the shudders. Surely we get rid, for whatever price. Absolute waste of time. It's hilarious that a manager gets sacked, and a comittee that even thought about that whole thing stays in tact. And they're still there aren't they? Muddying things till kingdom come. Need to be shot. Anyone who was even half interested in the idea needs to be shot. Benteke you just move on. Take it as a leveller or something. Sigh at it. Try to move on. Bloody hell, what a farce.

harleydanger · « **Reply #130 on:** April 10, 2016, 04:37:58 am »

Quote from: deano2727 on April 9, 2016, 11:47:30 am

Sorry, but thats a load of nonsense. At the age he is, he has so much developing ahead of him. Bale was a left back with the same defensive frailties as Moreno back when he was the same age as Origi. Look at him now.

Development isn't a linear equation though. Owen peaked at 18, Gerrard peaked at 26, Fowler peaked at 23. It's individualistic and dependent on so many equations

harleydanger · « **Reply #131 on:** April 10, 2016, 04:44:26 am »

Quote from: Filler. on April 10, 2016, 01:04:36 am

To think we'll have Balottelli on the books gives me the shudders. Surely we get rid, for whatever price. Absolute waste of time. It's hilarious that a manager gets sacked, and a comittee that even thought about that whole thing stays in tact. And they're still there aren't they? Muddying things till kingdom come. Need to be shot. Anyone who was even half interested in the idea needs to be shot. Benteke you just move on. Take it as a leveller or something. Sigh at it. Try to move on. Bloody hell, what a farce.

Mario was a gamble, i believe a good one even though it didn't come off. You had the chance of a player, who if you got their head right, was capable of being top 4-5 in the world, at 16mil.

smurfinaus · « **Reply #132 on:** April 10, 2016, 04:59:58 am »

"Clunky" Is probably a bad choice of words. For me Sturridge has two quick feet and amazingly quick to get into right positions. Origi looks deceptively slow -- probably cause he is a big lad (obviously not a slower lump like Benteke) -- has a quick turn and been using his strength a bit better as season goes on. Anyone got his shot to goal return this season? Sturridge seems to be more clinical (once the rust comes off.......).

ThePeetmix · « **Reply #133 on:** April 10, 2016, 06:13:11 am »

Quote from: smurfinaus on April 10, 2016, 04:59:58 am

"Clunky" Is probably a bad choice of words. For me Sturridge has two quick feet and amazingly quick to get into right positions. Origi looks deceptively slow -- probably cause he is a big lad (obviously not a slower lump like Benteke) -- has a quick turn and been using his strength a bit better as season goes on. Anyone got his shot to goal return this season? Sturridge seems to be more clinical (once the rust comes off.......).

Origi looks deceptively slow? I think he looks and is absolutely rapid. :p

Keita Success · « **Reply #134 on:** April 10, 2016, 09:59:32 am »

Quote from: ThePeetmix on April 10, 2016, 06:13:11 am

Origi looks deceptively slow? I think he looks and is absolutely rapid. :p

Can looks slow but isn't. Origi looks fucking rapid.

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #135 on:** April 10, 2016, 10:26:43 am »

He's got the potential to become an absolute beast of a striker.

an fear dearg · « **Reply #136 on:** April 10, 2016, 11:00:02 am »

Jesus Christ just let the lad play and see where he is in 2-3 years time!!! Martial, Bale whoever are not Divock. We potentially have a good'un on our hands but he could also not make it. The obsession sometimes of making kids into the next best is nauseating. I'd rest him today, start Sturridge and see where it goes from there.

Euskadi · « **Reply #137 on:** April 10, 2016, 11:02:35 am »

Quote from: harleydanger on April 10, 2016, 04:44:26 am

Mario was a gamble, i believe a good one even though it didn't come off. You had the chance of a player, who if you got their head right, was capable of being top 4-5 in the world, at 16mil.

Sorry mate but no, there was no gamble there he is a proven liability at every single club that he has been, it was an awful "moneyball" based decision and a total waste of money.

sminp · « **Reply #138 on:** April 10, 2016, 12:21:53 pm »

Origi looks slow?

There's only Moreno who looks like he'd get anywhere near him in a race

jooneyisdagod · « **Reply #139 on:** April 10, 2016, 12:48:51 pm »

Quote from: sminp on April 10, 2016, 12:21:53 pm

Origi looks slow? There's only Moreno who looks like he'd get anywhere near him in a race

I think Clyne is the fastest in the squad. It was in one of the player interviews.

Zlen · « **Reply #140 on:** April 10, 2016, 01:40:53 pm »

Quote from: sminp on April 10, 2016, 12:21:53 pm

Origi looks slow? There's only Moreno who looks like he'd get anywhere near him in a race

Seriously fast and also has a very respectable burst of speed from slow start.
He skinned Borussia's fullback repeatedly the other night.

sminp · « **Reply #141 on:** April 10, 2016, 02:49:17 pm »

Quote from: Zlen on April 10, 2016, 01:40:53 pm

Seriously fast and also has a very respectable burst of speed from slow start.
He skinned Borussia's fullback repeatedly the other night.

Aye. As Mick McCarthy would say, he's fast, he's rapid and he's got pace

Zlen · « **Reply #142 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:45:11 pm »

But does he play well in the hole?

Caston · « **Reply #143 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:50:01 pm »

He's brilliant.

elsewhere · « **Reply #144 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:50:05 pm »

screw those "he can be only 3rd,4th option for us" comments, this kid will be some player for us.
You can see confidence is doing a lot for him.

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #145 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:50:15 pm »

Looks really clunky to me

tubby · « **Reply #146 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:50:20 pm »

Coming along very nicely.

Keita Success · « **Reply #147 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:51:02 pm »

Very clunky today.

TheFlyingScouseman · « **Reply #148 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:51:10 pm »

With each passing game he's looking more like the real fucking deal. Well in lad.

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #149 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:51:23 pm »

Ultimate Bromance · « **Reply #150 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:51:57 pm »

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #151 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:52:27 pm »

Another great outing for Divock.

The only way is up with this kid!

Great to see him playing with confidence in his own ability.

Still got a long way to go to get rid of his clunkiness though

Sir Psycho Sexy · « **Reply #152 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:52:55 pm »

I'm excited to see how good he could get. Only 20 and is playing great

Zoomers · « **Reply #153 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:53:19 pm »

What the fuck has he been eating?

Floydy · « **Reply #154 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:54:16 pm »

same again on Thursday please Divock.

Simplexity · « **Reply #155 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:54:19 pm »

Ligue 1 must be some league if this bloke is the worst player to have ever set foot on a french pitch.

elsewhere · « **Reply #156 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:54:50 pm »

Quote from: Zoomers on April 10, 2016, 05:53:19 pm

What the fuck has he been eating?

something Origi'nal

elsewhere · « **Reply #157 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:55:25 pm »

Quote from: Simplexity on April 10, 2016, 05:54:19 pm

Ligue 1 must be some league if this bloke is the worst player to have ever set foot on a french pitch.

That was a bullshit list, i have seen some of his matches and he did well there.

88_RED · « **Reply #158 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:56:14 pm »

Can Divock be to Klopp's Liverpool, what Levandowski was for Klopp's Dortmund.. Both not the finished article when Klopp started working with them.. but the Pole developed under Klopp to be a world class striker..

With hope in my heart..

Flinstone · « **Reply #159 on:** April 10, 2016, 05:59:29 pm »

Mad pace, mad feet, mad strength and the finishing is coming.