Topic: Atletico Madrid

[tonysleft]

Can't see Simeone leaving anytime soon. I think 3-4 years atleast is a given. He seems to be very happy there and was quick to dispel the Chelsea rumours. He seems to be very invested in his project right now. Atletico are in a period of transition with the new stadium and the tv deal. I think he will see out the transition at the very least.

Reckon he wants to establish them as European champs at least once before he leaves.

[Fiasco]

Football is about many things but Simeone's team focus very much on organization, passion, hard work and incredible desire. They are filled with warriors but they aren't without some star quality. I'd absolutely love to see them win the Champions League, especially after going so agonizingly close a couple of years ago.

They are a wonderful team.

[Xxavi]

I personally liked the free-flowing attacking football of Villarreal, but this latest edition is much more Atletico Madrid-like. I am not sure if Marcelino is trying to emulate Simeone there, I am thinking it will be hard to achieve the same level of success there.

In any case, in the same way Barca's football influenced playing style of many La Liga teams (and beyond), Simeone's Atletico Madrid seems to be also influencing some other teams in Spain.

[Flinstone]

Diego Simeone.

[Stussy]

pound for pound best manager in the world?

[Barneylfc∗]

pound for pound best manager in the world?

If teaching shithouse tactics is high on your assessment meter then he's right up there with Pulis, Allardyce, and Mourinho

[Gerry Attrick]

pound for pound best manager in the world?

Very hard to argue otherwise.

[Flinstone]

pound for pound best manager in the world?

Def. an argument to be made there. What he's achieved with that team is nothing short of phenomenal.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

If teaching shithouse tactics is high on your assessment meter then he's right up there with Pulis, Allardyce, and Mourinho

Ignore the gamesmanship for a minute and look at what he's done

[HighSix]

Not a better manager in the world.

No idea why Chelsea didnt offer him the right deal to bring him in.

[Gerry Attrick]

Not a better manager in the world.

No idea why Chelsea didnt offer him the right deal to bring him in.

Perhaps he's not a manager who'll just sell out? He seems to love it at Atletico and he's built one of the best teams in Europe. Apart from money Chelsea have nothing to tempt him with now.

[Barneylfc∗]

Ignore the gamesmanship for a minute and look at what he's done

I don't think that's possible to be honest. Without the dosgshit tactics, they wouldn't have done anything.

[King_doggerel]

Ignore the gamesmanship for a minute and look at what he's done

without the financial clout of madrid, barcelona

you cannot really compare them with chelsea when the latter spends billions and still churn out gutter performances.

i hope atletico win it. they are brilliant.

[Pradan]

Brilliant Atletico. Considering the difference in finance, to beat Barca and Bayern in back-to back rounds is a gigantic achievement. Knocking out one is an achievement in itself, but to follow one after the other is beyond immense.

Hope they go on and win it now. It'll be a great inspiration to see an underdog win the CL, in an era where the European giants have seemed stronger than ever. It also gives a club like ourselves great hope that we can do the same under Klopp when we do get back in the CL

[FlashGordon]

without the financial clout of madrid, barcelona

you cannot really compare them with chelsea when the latter spends billions and still churn out gutter performances.

i hope atletico win it. they are brilliant.

This is all that needs to be said.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

I don't think that's possible to be honest. Without the dosgshit tactics, they wouldn't have done anything.

by dogshit tactics do you mean being a primarily defensive side and hitting teams on the counter? Not every team has to play free flowing or possession football. It's also clearly the type of tactics that undoes Pep's sides so it wouldn't make sense to not play like that

[kennedy81]

I don't think that's possible to be honest. Without the dosgshit tactics, they wouldn't have done anything.

You could say the same about Leicester in fairness.

[AndyMuller]

Simeone is a don.

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[Barneylfc∗]

by dogshit tactics do you mean being a primarily defensive side and hitting teams on the counter? Not every team has to play free flowing or possession football. It's also clearly the type of tactics that undoes Pep's sides so it wouldn't make sense to not play like that

No, I mean the snide timewasting, keepers going down for no reason knowing they'll waste 30 seconds here and there. The cynical kicking away of the ball when the opposition have a throw in, or kicking it further out of play when it's already out. The rough house tactics.

You could say the same about Leicester in fairness.

Not at all. Leicester may not have steam rolled teams, but I'd much rather watch them than a Simeone team. At least you'll get an honest game of football.

[Roger Federer]

No, I mean the snide timewasting, keepers going down for no reason knowing they'll waste 30 seconds here and there. The cynical kicking away of the ball when the opposition have a throw in, or kicking it further out of play when it's already out. The rough house tactics.

Not at all. Leicester may not have steam rolled teams, but I'd much rather watch them than a Simeone team. At least you'll get an honest game of football.

Agree. I admire his success, and objectively he's a great manager, but I can't stand him nor his team.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

No, I mean the snide timewasting, keepers going down for no reason knowing they'll waste 30 seconds here and there. The cynical kicking away of the ball when the opposition have a throw in, or kicking it further out of play when it's already out. The rough house tactics.

Not at all. Leicester may not have steam rolled teams, but I'd much rather watch them than a Simeone team. At least you'll get an honest game of football.

yep, all gamesmanship and not very nice to look at.

but if you are rating Simeone as a manager (the original argument) then there's a lot more to his sides than just being bellends. He sets them up brilliantly, and found an effective way to get a successful system that can compete against barca and madrid without having the resources or ability to sign the star players available to those two clubs

[wellred82]

They do take the piss. Suppose I can enjoy it as 1) we aren't due to play them and 2) they knocked out barca and Bayern. Hate both those clubs.


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[Guz-kop]

No, I mean the snide timewasting, keepers going down for no reason knowing they'll waste 30 seconds here and there. The cynical kicking away of the ball when the opposition have a throw in, or kicking it further out of play when it's already out. The rough house tactics.

Not at all. Leicester may not have steam rolled teams, but I'd much rather watch them than a Simeone team. At least you'll get an honest game of football.

Rafa's Valenica were exactly the same. Never fumed so much at an opposition player as I did that night at Pablo Aimar at Anfield. Fucking little shithouse. There is a difference of course as I don't think for a moment Rafa made them as "cynical" as Simeone does Atletico but nonetheless it didn't take away from them being a brilliant team. He's a brilliant manager. Very few sets of players "buy in" to their manager as much as A.Madrid and he's able to keep it going despite losing a few key players. It's not easy to be so defensive and counter so swiftly. It takes massive amounts of tactical discipline and hard work. They also have the 3rd highest goals tally in Spain (miles behind Barca and Madrid fair enough) and if were in the premier league would be the 4th.

Simeone is a bit of a gobshite no doubt but excellent manager and has done wonders with them. They are like a top quality version of us under Houllier before 2002.

[Suareznumber7]

pound for pound best manager in the world?

No.  He's done incredibly well at Atletico but he's basically Mourinho MK2

[davidlpool1982]

I think this season he is starting to approach peak Shitcoat at Real levels of snidery. He hasn't gouged an eye yet, but encouraging a ball boy to throw an extra ball on the pitch to stop a counter attack is cynical bastardship of the highest order. Ensuring that his keeper goes down towards the end of a tense champions league semi becuase you know that he can't be removed from the pitch and waste time with unnecessary treatment.

He's done an excellent job with the team. No question about it, they are so tough to break down and it's almost mesmerising the way they organise themselves. But I find it hard to separate that from the bastardry. Put it this way, we don't give Mourinho an out for hist cuntiness, I don't see why Simeone should get one just because he's with a smaller/poorer team,

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

No.  He's done incredibly well at Atletico but he's basically Mourinho MK2

As much as this place hates Mourinho and doesn't like hearing this, he was and most likely still is, a top manager and after winning the treble with Inter was arguably the best manager in the world. So calling him Mouronho MKII doesn't really dispute that point very well

[Stussy]

No.  He's done incredibly well at Atletico but he's basically Mourinho MK2

Likeability is a different thing. He's turned Atletico from perennial also rans living in the shadow of two giants and brought them trophies, European finals and a club that looks Real Madrid and Barca in the eye. It probably takes a bastard to lead a team who are constantly looked down on to scrap their way to the top.

[Suareznumber7]

As much as this place hates Mourinho and doesn't like hearing this, he was and most likely still is, a top manager and after winning the treble with Inter was arguably the best manager in the world. So calling him Mouronho MKII doesn't really dispute that point very well

Mourinho was the best manager in the world at one point.  No doubt about that but he's dropped down a level which is where I think Simeone is now.  They both employ the same shithouse tactics in big games which is why I went with the "Mourinho MK2" comment. 

[Suareznumber7]

Likeability is a different thing. He's turned Atletico from perennial also rans living in the shadow of two giants and brought them trophies, European finals and a club that looks Real Madrid and Barca in the eye. It probably takes a bastard to lead a team who are constantly looked down on to scrap their way to the top.

I don't dislike the man.  I really don't like the way his teams play though. 

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

Not a better manager in the world.

No idea why Chelsea didnt offer him the right deal to bring him in.

Because he thrives on creating an atmosphere and always having his fans stand up and support the team, neither Chelsea nor Arsenal (ignoring the massive difference in footballing style between them and Atletico) can ever ensure something like this.

[Redman0151]

I dislike the snidery and shithousery...

But I can't have a go at them about the playstyle. When Barca and Real can go out spending near unlimited money and attract any player in the world, you've got to scratch and claw for everything you can in order to compete with them.

It's surprising Simeone hasn't won a CL yet, he deserves it this year. My only worry is does that signal to him thinking "job done" and he's taken Atletico as far as he can? I'd be gutted if United, Chelsea or Arsenal got him to be honest

[Xxavi]

A truly negative tactics from Simeone, but comparing him to Mourinho is wrong. Simeone may not be the nicest person, but he has never been as disrespectful to other managers in the media, he is not in the same league as Mourinho in terms of cuntishness.

Also, knowing where Atletico were before he came, again, cannot help but admire him. Do not confuse Atletico with Mourinho teams. Mourinho spent a lot and assembled best squads in each league he worked thanks to financial dominance. Mourinho never done what Atletico did. Remarkable, the best manager of the past 3 seasons.

[The North Bank]

He just knocked out the greatest front 3  in the history of the football universe, followed by knocking out the man that invented the universe of great football. Simeone is magic, he has to bridge the gap in quality and resources. Does it brilliantly.
On a shortlist of 4 for the Everton job, with Hughsie Moysie and Eddie howe.

[_00_deathscar]

He was a very good and snide player. He's an even better and even snider manager. But fuck me he knows how to organise a team. And for those who complain about his tactics/formations - what exactly do you want them to do when Barca and Real are in your league, and your route to the final includes Barcelona and Bayern Munich?

They were gifted an easy group stage, but it's not like they are a one trick pony in cup competitions (like Sevilla) either - they're fighting it right up there with Barca and Real in the league too. That's bloody impressive.

[Geppvindh's]

If they go on and lift the trophy after beating this Barca, Bayern and Real over 5 games.. If Leicester hadn't won the league I would have put Atletico's achievement as one of the greatest in modern football. It stilll would be.

[Solomon Grundy]

He's a very good manager and I like Atleti. It'll be interesting to see how the Arsenal fans take to him when he finally comes in.

[Solomon Grundy]

On a shortlist of 4 for the Everton job, with Hughsie Moysie and Eddie howe.

 

What no Mourinho in that list?

[golgolgol]

pound for pound best manager in the world?

Easily.

[tea_tree]

Can't stand this team and their manager. Mourinho mark 2

[clinical]

He's the new Mourinho in terms of style.

Griezmann is world class like many said back in 2014.