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This is where bottle comes into play!
« on: February 3, 2009, 06:23:38 pm »

It’s the beginning of February, a word my female work colleagues seem to struggle pronouncing, and we find ourselves 2 points adrift of the current champions, who have themselves a game in hand as well. The mood amongst fans is good, mainly because we beat Chelsea Sunday, thanks to our kid Fernando, after a controlled performance. No doubt the mood would be different if we were in the exact same scenario we are in now, but had just dropped 2 points against Middlesbrough or somebody. That’s how fickle and tender our emotions have been this season.

This is all of course for good reason. We are so desperate for the title that we are hurting ourselves, and it’s the same throughout the club, from the stands to the boardrooms. I’m not even old enough to remember when we last won the title in 1990, I was barely a year old. Those of you who are of an age to appreciate that feeling you had in 1990, are probably just as desperate for it back as I am to taste it for the first time. I’m sure some of you are of a similar age to Jamie Carragher and Steven Gerrard, starry eyed young bucks, who must relate to the two captains of our club every single time they step on Anfield turf.

There is of course Rafa, who has gone from “losing it” to “genius” in the space of 90 minutes, and is of course gambling with the sale of Robbie Keane. I’ve seen Robbie and Rafa’s names in the same articles during the past 6 months to suggest it hasn’t been 6 months, but 7 or 8 seasons they have both been at the club. Rafa has a point to prove, well a few actually. In short, Rafa wants to say “I’m not losing it, I am good enough, my methods do work, I am the man for this club, and fuck the Americans, fuck the media, and fuck Mr Ferguson”. Not that I condone Rafas language.

The “facht” United are one league title away from us, is enough ammunition for anybody to really, really want to win the league this year.

As we know, this has caused severe tension on all parts. Rafa suddenly starts playing mind games, although fair play to him I suppose. Fans booing players and performances, tensions running through players that can’t break down that parked bus. The frustration and pressure is affecting the whole club, and we need to do something about it before it costs us number 19.

Take a step back, and you will notice that we are probably in the best position we’ve been in all season. Being top, somehow didn’t suit us. Expectations got to the players, and as fans you’re constantly looking down at who is creeping up on you. Although many said “it’s a great view down, from up here”, really, we look our best when we have something to chase, when we’re underdogs. We are the predators, United are the prey, and by fuck we are gunna’ have to chase hard to get our rewards, but we can do it, if we all keep calm, keep our bottle, and work together.

The last thing we can afford to do is bottle it; we’ve dragged ourselves back into the title hunt, and possibly pushed Chelsea aside of it. It looks as though it’s us and them.

Here’s a little thought that might add to our determination, that’s determination, not desperation, to win the title. If Mr Ferguson equals our tally, he will stay at least one more season to try and beat us, take United one title ahead of Liverpool, and call it a day. If he doesn’t win it this season, we are two clear again, which might be to much for Mr Ferguson to claw back, and he might just call it a day there, leaving United needing a manager, players possibly wanting out, and whole lot of rebuilding to do. That would leave the door wide open for Rafa to build Liverpool FC onto greatness again, rebuild that lead.

What we need to do to make sure this occurs, is fight. Fight to the death, just like Istanbul. Your 3.00 kick offs against Fulham and such likes needs to be like a European tie verses, well Real Madrid. Every game we need to throw everything we have at our team - every last breath! Every time one of our players picks up the ball, no matter who it is, the volume needs to rise, the expectation needs to lift, make that player feel as though he is the best in the world, and that he can do anything. Make the blood rush through his veins, make him invincible. Every time we concede, the noise level rises seconds later as we urge our side on to come back. By fuck we can beat AC Milan from 3-0 down, I’m sure we can crack open relegation sides at Anfield if we get behind our team.

It’s about taking responsibility. Rafa is doing it, the players are doing it in the main, but we fans are severely lacking at times. To quick are we to get frustrated and get the arse. Understandable, but not what we need, and if the players performed the way we have at times, we wouldn’t even be in this title race. Things need to change. We need to keep our heads and keep our bottle, and support our team unconditionally. I’m afraid praying will do nothing for us (apologies to those who have faith), we need fucking want it and not assume it’s ours by right. Every thing we do effects the players on the pitch and a huge dose of positivism is hugely required.

We won’t go the rest of the season without dropping points, but nor will United. We have one major advantage that our players didn’t travel to the other side of the world in December, and hopefully that will come back to haunt United.

Ever time we go forward, the crowd needs to raise it, every time we concede, the crowd needs to raise it. When it looks like we just can’t break somebody down, the crowd needs to raise it, even if it merely hinders the defending sides communication. Every time, raise the roof, louder and fucking louder. This title is in our hands as much as it is the players, and we need to do our bit. If we haven’t won the title in May, it’s not just the players that have lost it, it’s us. We should want to win this thing more than practically anybody else at the club, and it’s time to fucking show the world we mean business! Keep our fucking bottle!
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #1 on: February 3, 2009, 06:27:30 pm »
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #2 on: February 3, 2009, 06:32:35 pm »
Thanks for that.

Positivity is creeping back onto the boards...

Good stuff mate.
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #3 on: February 3, 2009, 06:32:36 pm »
Good read that.

I completely agree that there is added pressure on us this year, and with it being so long since we properly challenged, and with United looking to equal our record and being what seems to be our major competitors for the title, its all just adding up to a sky sports wankable weekend come the 14th of March (think thats the date off my head)

there is still a long way to go and still lots of points that will be dropped, lots of injuries and knocks, suspensions, decisions , from players managers, ref's and the FA to go yet but we really are in with a fighting chance as long as we can hold it together.

The way we have performed in finals in more recent years and the big games I like to think if it were to come down to a one off we would be capable of keeping our ball and doing what we need to do, however whether we can do this over a longer period of time domestically is something that we will have to answer, and a good run now would certainly help both our points total obviously, but our belief too which right now is as important.

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #4 on: February 3, 2009, 06:34:53 pm »
Excellent post, well  done.
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #5 on: February 3, 2009, 06:39:36 pm »
The whole, equalling 18 league titles thing seems a stickler for lots of reds.

I can understand why. All the 'forever in our shadow', "18:5" etc etc. But to me, its like a rod for our own backs.

Records are there to be broken.

Some fans are gripped with fear that this will be equalled. Its all down to bragging rights, and for me, I couldnt give a fuck. Its history. Proud and glorious, but its history.

The 'record' is like a weight around our necks at the minute.

I don't know, I'm just about to have my tea, but there is an awful lot more to be said about the mentality of some of our fans regarding the 'record'.

If its broken, life goes on, the world will spin, and we will still be LFC

Not that it will be broke any time soon, mind ;)
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #6 on: February 3, 2009, 06:47:40 pm »
Funny word bottle - comes from the cockney slang "bottle and glass" obviously pronounced "bottle and glars" in the smoke. Rhymes with Arse. So, "his bottle and glars has gone"

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #7 on: February 3, 2009, 06:49:32 pm »
Good post. Them lot getting down to our record is the crux of all this. We need to be positive as fans at Anfield in particular and get behind the team unconditionally AT THE MATCH. Have your moans and whinges if you like or constructive criticisms (which would be better) at home or in the pub or on forums, but get behind the team at the games!
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #8 on: February 3, 2009, 06:54:07 pm »
Very good post. Roll on March 14th. ;D


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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #9 on: February 3, 2009, 06:56:14 pm »
our 18 was done in the good old days before sky this record will never be broken  , we have to catch them now and in 100 years we could have another 18 and be years ahead of them again

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #10 on: February 3, 2009, 06:58:55 pm »
How many more rallying cries are we going to read
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #11 on: February 3, 2009, 07:01:25 pm »
How many more rallying cries are we going to read

Fourteen
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #12 on: February 3, 2009, 07:01:37 pm »
Excellent post Daws..

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« Reply #13 on: February 3, 2009, 07:02:51 pm »
How many more rallying cries are we going to read
I'd rather a forum with a million rally cries than one that slags us off.

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #14 on: February 3, 2009, 07:02:54 pm »
All those fickle minded, snake tongue so called supporters should read this to give them some perspective. That includes some former players.

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #15 on: February 3, 2009, 07:07:21 pm »
How much of this 'Rafa has lost it' malarkey is self inflicted to take pressue off the players?

He's a clever lad is our Rafa.

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #16 on: February 3, 2009, 07:09:04 pm »
Fourteen
One should be enough. Why can we not have the attitude from the start. After every setback we read a rallying cry. After sunday this should come naturaly, but i know it wont
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #17 on: February 3, 2009, 07:11:23 pm »
One should be enough. Why can we not have the attitude from the start. After every setback we read a rallying cry. After sunday this should come naturaly, but i know it wont
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #18 on: February 3, 2009, 07:12:31 pm »
How many more rallying cries are we going to read

probably loads because most of them dont seem to work. We are into february and two points behind. We beat chelsea 2-0 sunday and in the last minutes of the game.

There is no doubt in my mind that the fans can make a huge difference to our title challenge. the players will kick off at a quicker tempo the more atmosphere there is. We need more urgency from the off and the fans can help that

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #19 on: February 3, 2009, 07:13:30 pm »
How many more rallying cries are we going to read

None if you don't want to?

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #20 on: February 3, 2009, 07:13:48 pm »
Old enough to remember clinching the title in 1964,the start of a glorious era in our history.
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« Reply #21 on: February 3, 2009, 07:16:18 pm »
probably loads because most of them dont seem to work. We are into february and two points behind. We beat chelsea 2-0 sunday and in the last minutes of the game.

There is no doubt in my mind that the fans can make a huge difference to our title challenge. the players will kick off at a quicker tempo the more atmosphere there is. We need more urgency from the off and the fans can help that
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« Reply #22 on: February 3, 2009, 07:19:57 pm »
Cheers for that Daws!

How many more rallying cries are we going to read

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #23 on: February 3, 2009, 07:23:03 pm »
Awesome post mate  :wellin, not sure Chelsea are close to out yet though.

Raise the roof indeed!
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #24 on: February 3, 2009, 07:31:03 pm »
Excellent post, if there are any players lurking, pin this post up in the dressing room :D

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #25 on: February 3, 2009, 08:13:22 pm »
The whole, equalling 18 league titles thing seems a stickler for lots of reds.

I can understand why. All the 'forever in our shadow', "18:5" etc etc. But to me, its like a rod for our own backs.

Records are there to be broken.

Some fans are gripped with fear that this will be equalled. Its all down to bragging rights, and for me, I couldnt give a fuck. Its history. Proud and glorious, but its history.

The 'record' is like a weight around our necks at the minute.

I don't know, I'm just about to have my tea, but there is an awful lot more to be said about the mentality of some of our fans regarding the 'record'.

If its broken, life goes on, the world will spin, and we will still be LFC

Not that it will be broke any time soon, mind ;)

I'm sure AC Milan weren't thinking that in the 2007 Champions League Final. We were just about to pull up level with their European Cup record. We are now two behind.

I would love to see the Mancs two behind at the end of this season. It might deflate them and at the same time give Liverpool FC back our mythical status.

Just think of the banners that would go out next season. Just imagine the celebration. It would be bigger than 2005.

There's one thing we haven't got that we had in 2005 though and that's a tune for the team. A bit like 'Ring of Fire'.

That's what we really need. A tune for the team. The Torres Song is just too catchy. Once you get it in your head, you can't stop.
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #26 on: February 3, 2009, 08:31:24 pm »
Records aren't that important...........nice to be able to say it but recent results are more important. Leeds have a great past but do you think anybody really associates the days of Billy Bremner with the current team?

One way or the other this is an important year. Winning is within possibility but only if all the players really work hard. However loosing can also be useful if lessons are learnt and if these are used to improve. A flash in the pan win isn't what we need......we need to move up to the next level and stay there fighting for the title every year.

One fact is clear.......Liverpool have been more resilient than any of the other top teams. Chelsea didn't become a good team until recently. Arsenal were a good team but lagging behind Liverpool. Utd had a lot of barren years and were even relegated. Many other teams have tasted success but have plunged down into the lower divisions. It's a credit to the way Liverpool has been run that they are still capable of winning at the highest level.
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #27 on: February 3, 2009, 08:34:50 pm »
Good post that. No harm in a bit of positivity

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #28 on: February 3, 2009, 08:38:11 pm »
Good post but the time for bottle has been and gone. When we were top in November and everyone was getting carried away my mate said to me the same thing he says to me every year if we are in a strong position.
 That is, let's see where we are when the weather turns bad and a bit of character and a win at all costs attitude is needed.
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #29 on: February 3, 2009, 08:41:14 pm »
Fantastic read!  :wellin
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« Reply #30 on: February 3, 2009, 08:49:13 pm »
very good post. i completly agree with you but we have a problem with this. Out the 40000 or so fan that are in the ground on a match day the people that can make the difference how many of them read these boards. If we are gonna get this to work we need to spread the word. Also the kop need to get their arses in to gear with all 12000 fan singing together not in sections. i also feel the 306 block has made a different but i think that it should be moved to 305 as it will make a difference because 305 it in the middle of the kop so the noise travel around the ground alot better and should get the whole kop starting songs together not at different times. i watched the chelsea game again when i got home from the game on sunday and the singing sounded really bad at time it was just noise you couldn't work out the words. i no a lot of people are gonna disagree with me but this is just my option.

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #31 on: February 3, 2009, 08:59:00 pm »
if the players are thinking about it too much it will become harder to win
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #32 on: February 3, 2009, 10:26:32 pm »
great post, it does put our efforts into perspective, and after reading it, i know we have to pick up our performances and make Anfield a fortress, really... get pissed before the game, watch some vid from Istanbul + clamber in to raise the roof... and you made a great point about being underdogs, we only perform well when we cannot possibly win!! :D

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« Reply #33 on: February 3, 2009, 10:27:50 pm »
very good post. i completly agree with you but we have a problem with this. Out the 40000 or so fan that are in the ground on a match day the people that can make the difference how many of them read these boards. If we are gonna get this to work we need to spread the word. Also the kop need to get their arses in to gear with all 12000 fan singing together not in sections. i also feel the 306 block has made a different but i think that it should be moved to 305 as it will make a difference because 305 it in the middle of the kop so the noise travel around the ground alot better and should get the whole kop starting songs together not at different times. i watched the chelsea game again when i got home from the game on sunday and the singing sounded really bad at time it was just noise you couldn't work out the words. i no a lot of people are gonna disagree with me but this is just my option.

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« Reply #34 on: February 3, 2009, 10:31:55 pm »
i watched the chelsea game again when i got home from the game on sunday and the singing sounded really bad at time it was just noise you couldn't work out the words. i no a lot of people are gonna disagree with me but this is just my option.


Confiscate their beak off them on the way in, then they might get the speed of the songs correct?  ;)

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #35 on: February 4, 2009, 12:11:51 am »
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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #36 on: February 4, 2009, 08:19:18 am »
I don't understand all this 'Records don't matter' stuff.

So, does that mean that if you've won Trophy A........you dont need to win it again because you've already won it? Hell no, You have to progress and move on.


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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #37 on: February 4, 2009, 09:21:28 am »
Funny word bottle - comes from the cockney slang "bottle and glass" obviously pronounced "bottle and glars" in the smoke. Rhymes with Arse. So, "his bottle and glars has gone"

Not a lot of people know that.

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #38 on: February 4, 2009, 09:39:56 am »
Fantastic post,

March 14th we fans should ascend upon Old Trafford like an Army going into battle to take over a fortress, Destroy them with noise so the walls of Old Trafford crumble to the sound of You'll Never Walk Alone and the Soldiers on the pitch put the mancs to the sword and we Walk On with all 3 points and hopefully our first Premiership Title. If we lose it's over IMO lets get behind the team in every game winning or losing we can win this title.

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Re: This is where bottle comes into play!
« Reply #39 on: February 4, 2009, 09:47:07 am »
Good post, nice to see the passion from the youngsters and your right.  I'm about Carras age and barely remember the last one properly.  We've got good fixtures running upto the OT game where we could gather a real momentum.

Wigan's away support was dire, near 6000 of us and we barely made a sound.  No wonder we played so shit, we could have made it like a home game but instead everyone moaned about the traffic on the 58, how cold it was and that keane wasn't playing.

Let's make ourselves heard at Anfield, Woodison, Fratton Park and the Riverside to give us a chance at OT.
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