Topic: Man City - cheating bastards rumbled

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I did read on Twitter that there is supposed to be a 6 year statute of limitations.

But if there is found to be fraud or tax avoidance then the statute of limitations is no more.

From those email leaks they did show that the players image rights were diverted to a tax haven in the Carribean managed by an ex Tory donor, HMRC will surely be interested in what comes out form this surely.

You would think.

[Machae]

You just need to follow the money and it'll all unravel, but there's no authority that can do that.  You'd need to look at the books for City and their sponsors independently.

Won't be too long before they start trading in crypto currency, makes it harder to track and hold people to account. I'd hope authorities are wary and have robust plans in place to deal with such a scenario

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Won't be too long before they start trading in crypto currency, makes it harder to track and hold people to account. I'd hope authorities are wary and have robust plans in place to deal with such a scenario

That's a salient point, how do we know they aren't paying players/agents etc etc in cryptocurrency?

[BigCDump]

https://companieshouse.blog.gov.uk/2016/02/17/fraud-what-we-can-and-cant-do/

“Any allegations of fraudulent activity should always be reported directly to the police”

Have the police been contacted directly by anyone (PL, Nick Harris, etc)? If not can Joe Public walk into a police station and file a report of tax fraud, citing documents from the MoS as their evidence?

This will at least open up another line of investigation, i.e. criminal investigation.

[farawayred]

This has been the most interesting thread today and the whole thing is just starting...

I hope this comes to the right conclusion and City get shipped to the Championship next season. Let's see if they can keep all the big earners in that league.

[blert596]

This has been the most interesting thread today and the whole thing is just starting...

I hope this comes to the right conclusion and City get shipped to the Championship next season. Let's see if they can keep all the big earners in that league.

Cough "big earners" cough

[Peabee]

Paid, or threatened.

Paid AND threatened, maybe?

[Phil M]

Fuck all will happen to them.

[Peabee]

You just need to follow the money and it'll all unravel, but there's no authority that can do that.  You'd need to look at the books for City and their sponsors independently.

Yes, there is, HMRC and NFIB.

[paulrazor]

I wouldnt hold my breath on this one

when they got their champions league "ban" you just knew it would be overturned

this will probably be swept under the carpet

[Zeb]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1004891/TC_letter_to_Oliver_Dowden_Accessible_Format.pdf



Not sure if anyone knows about the initial results of the fan led review into football, worth a read. I was hoping there would be some mention of City's owners in there. If Tracey Crouch is going to issue her final recommendations in Autumn then I think it's time we all email her the concerns we have with City's human rights abusing owners and their blatant cheating that has resulted in......

clubs missing out on league titles,
clubs missing out on European spots,
clubs missing out on tv money through European qualification,
clubs missing out on potentially bigger sponsorship deals through higher league placement.

If this MP is going to be in charge of a revolution in how football is run, she needs to force the Premier League to hand City a severe punishment if they are found guilty, so it stops anything like this from happening again.

Won't work like that from Crouch - she's doing a general overview, not picking fights with individual clubs. The City stuff would fall under the independent regulator, assuming the powers recommended are given to them, so you won't see a cosy little side deal from the Premier League hushing it all up but an incentive to ensure whatever financial regulations in place are being followed with sporting penalties for failing to do that. If the regulator is insisting that lower league teams behave in a sustainable way then the whims of the monarch of a gulf state are no less governed by the same principle. And inflated sponsorship from the owner's other companies really, really isn't that.

[Brain Potter]

Whilst I’ve no doubt that City are as bent as fuck I’ve a feeling that it’s a legal battle the premier league don’t want, unless the other clubs push them.
They will fight very aggressively, delay, every tactic under the sun to prevent punishment.
They are utter c*nts.

[Dull Tools]

Whilst I’ve no doubt that City are as bent as fuck I’ve a feeling that it’s a legal battle the premier league don’t want, unless the other clubs push them.
They will fight very aggressively, delay, every tactic under the sun to prevent punishment.
They are utter c*nts.

The other clubs will be pushing them very strongly. The Premier League can't afford to fall out with United, us, Spurs and Arsenal.

[12C]

Evans or Prestwich?

Prestwich

[redk84]

Just can't believe the PL will succeed where UEFA failed.
City will find a way out of this.

Also

Penultimate tweet in this thread: Manchester City made Ł600m from commercial income in the past decade alone than rivals like Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. How?

Assuming this means they received Ł600m more than those 3 clubs over 10years, that is insane

[kaesarsosei]

Just can't believe the PL will succeed where UEFA failed.
City will find a way out of this.

Unfortunately this is exactly where I am at.

Here's an interesting question though - would you be happy if the PL stripped City of all their PLs and awarded them to the teams that finished second in each case? That would mean 2 more for us, but 3 more for United 

[redk84]

Unfortunately this is exactly where I am at.

Here's an interesting question though - would you be happy if the PL stripped City of all their PLs and awarded them to the teams that finished second in each case? That would mean 2 more for us, but 3 more for United 

Nop
Even if it were to our benefit more than anyone else.

Only thing making me say yes is Stevie would get a medal 

Would rather future punishment and maybe just null and void the champions for the seasons they won
Or the trophy would get to messy, easy for the engraver guy to just do this

2020-2021 Manchester City

 

[Brain Potter]

Unfortunately this is exactly where I am at.

Here's an interesting question though - would you be happy if the PL stripped City of all their PLs and awarded them to the teams that finished second in each case? That would mean 2 more for us, but 3 more for United 

No I wouldn’t want to win the title in a courtroom. The top place should just be left blank as a permanent reminder of Man City’s disgrace.

[Dim Glas]

Unfortunately this is exactly where I am at.

Here's an interesting question though - would you be happy if the PL stripped City of all their PLs and awarded them to the teams that finished second in each case? That would mean 2 more for us, but 3 more for United 

Be very happy if the PL did the right thing and stripped them from the titles they cheated to get.

But nope, would not want them awarded to Liverpool and Man Utd years after the fact. Just have them left empty. 

[paulrazor]

Yep. It would mean nothing after all this time.

Shame as if we won those two titles at time (which we nearly did) I'd have gone nuts

[RyanBabel19]

Don’t think anything will happen. No different to the CL ban IMO, money talks so stuff like this is generally a non story with a side like City. Looks like the same routine, news story which continues for a while with more ‘revelations’ coming out, fans start talking about it and a big date comes up for a decision, only for them to be cleared of everything or any ban to be completely overturned and them hit with some stupid pointless fine.

[Dave McCoy]

In a lot of ways this is just the inevitable conclusion of the PL's drive for money above everything else.  At some point your morals go out the window when all you care about is "more".  The fact there is a sizable portion of the Newcastle fan base that is pro-Saudi takeover is all that really needs to be said.  Nothing will be done to ManC and this is all in the end just a footnote for some future history in Middle Eastern politics.

[Red Beret]

No I wouldn’t want to win the title in a courtroom. The top place should just be left blank as a permanent reminder of Man City’s disgrace.

Financial doping, a la Armstrong and the Tour de France.

EDIT: The only thing that will motivate the PL on City is damage to the brand.  City clearly want to drag things out so the issue expires, but now with judges leaning in on the matter it becomes more difficult for all parties. There will probably be some kind of deal cut, as City will just take the whole thing to CAS again otherwise.

[RJH]

Yes, there is, HMRC and NFIB.

Tubby mentioned looking at the books of their sponsors.
Problem is the big sponsors are Etihad, who are headquartered in Abu Dhabi.
HMRC can't touch them.

[rob1966]

Financial doping, a la Armstrong and the Tour de France.

EDIT: The only thing that will motivate the PL on City is damage to the brand.  City clearly want to drag things out so the issue expires, but now with judges leaning in on the matter it becomes more difficult for all parties. There will probably be some kind of deal cut, as City will just take the whole thing to CAS again otherwise.

Didn't CAS agree with UEFA, but it was the time expiring that allowed City to get off?

[Dave McCoy]

Tubby mentioned looking at the books of their sponsors.
Problem is the big sponsors are Etihad, who are headquartered in Abu Dhabi.
HMRC can't touch them.

If they do business in the UK that's patently untrue.  The US government goes after non-US based entities all the time since they use the US financial system.  I'm sure the same is true there in the UK.

Didn't CAS agree with UEFA, but it was the time expiring that allowed City to get off?

Yes.  And UEFA also had indicators that the evidence ManC used was also problematic but instead of continuing the fight they gave up.

[liversaint]

That PrestwichBlue is Citehs version of Catshitintheye on GOT. Just seen some of the nonsense it farts out. Genuinely deluded and a an absolute parody.

[Red Beret]

Didn't CAS agree with UEFA, but it was the time expiring that allowed City to get off?

Aye.  I suspect City's non cooperation with the PL is with a similar mind to drag proceedings out past the expiry date, if that is possible.

[Lycan]

That PrestwichBlue is Citehs version of Catshitintheye on GOT. Just seen some of the nonsense it farts out. Genuinely deluded and a an absolute parody.

Nasty little weasel him

[JRed]

He posted some pathetic shit on here as Manchester Blue before he was banned. Totally deluded.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Unfortunately this is exactly where I am at.

Here's an interesting question though - would you be happy if the PL stripped City of all their PLs and awarded them to the teams that finished second in each case? That would mean 2 more for us, but 3 more for United 

No. Basically because you can't prove that the runners up in each of those seasons would have won the League had City not been in it. In 17/18 for example I'm convinced we would have finished above United had the title been on the line, but instead we threw away results against West Brom, Stoke, Everton and Chelsea to focus on the Champions League.

[RedSince86]

Tubby mentioned looking at the books of their sponsors.
Problem is the big sponsors are Etihad, who are headquartered in Abu Dhabi.
HMRC can't touch them.

HMRC can touch them for diverting player image rights to a tax haven in the Carribean.

[blacksun]

No. Basically because you can't prove that the runners up in each of those seasons would have won the League had City not been in it. In 17/18 for example I'm convinced we would have finished above United had the title been on the line, but instead we threw away results against West Brom, Stoke, Everton and Chelsea to focus on the Champions League.

Exactly, just have them listed as no winner for that year.

[JasonF]

Exactly, just have them listed as no winner for that year.

No winner declared would be great, because it'd be there in the history books forever, no winner assigned due to Man City cheating. It'll never happen, but that's the sort of outcome that'd nip their whole sports washing endeavour in the bud. No coming back from that.

[blacksun]

No winner declared would be great, because it'd be there in the history books forever, no winner assigned due to Man City cheating. It'll never happen, but that's the sort of outcome that'd nip their whole sports washing endeavour in the bud. No coming back from that.

My thoughts exactly, everyone would know why now and as time goes by people would ask why and it would get brought up again

[Sangria]

HMRC can touch them for diverting player image rights to a tax haven in the Carribean.

If HMRC ping them on one count, could they insist on openness for a period due to their proven untrustworthiness? Open books for Man City would be just as effective as enforced FFP.

[Nitramdorf]

No winner declared would be great, because it'd be there in the history books forever, no winner assigned due to Man City cheating. It'll never happen, but that's the sort of outcome that'd nip their whole sports washing endeavour in the bud. No coming back from that.

Also have a televised event when each player, all of whom know where their money comes from, has to do a forlorn walk with their medals on a velvet cushion and hand them over to a scrap metal dealer.

[Crimson]

They must be ecstatic people are finally talking about them

[redgriffin73]

Also have a televised event when each player, all of whom know where their money comes from, has to do a forlorn walk with their medals on a velvet cushion and hand them over to a scrap metal dealer.

I'd even watch this on Pay Per View

[redgriffin73]

They must be ecstatic people are finally talking about them

We're just killing time till Mo buys a new hat really.