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« Reply #60680 on: July 27, 2021, 12:41:55 pm »
This is the kind of thing those anti vax c*nts are causing. They'll probably say the photos of him in an oxygen mask are just fakes though.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccine-34-year-old-sceptic-father-and-popular-football-coach-dies-after-battling-with-covid-19-3324526
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« Reply #60681 on: July 27, 2021, 01:02:08 pm »
This is the kind of thing those anti vax c*nts are causing. They'll probably say the photos of him in an oxygen mask are just fakes though.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccine-34-year-old-sceptic-father-and-popular-football-coach-dies-after-battling-with-covid-19-3324526

That photo of him on his bedside, looking at his phone, is chilling in that he would be dead in a few days.

And I bet plenty of fit 30 somethings have the same misplaced confidence.

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« Reply #60682 on: July 27, 2021, 01:13:45 pm »
Don't they believe it's us causing the damage though? I am sure there are some out there that are purely in it for the money and don't care what harm it causes. Your Trump types.  But some are more like , say the Jehovas witness types that would prevent a blood transfusion as it will stop them going to heaven (*).  They genuinely believe they are preventing us doing harm.

(* might well be taking the stereotype belief here, but you get the idea)
I suppose what I am saying when I state that 'they do not care about the damage they cause' is that it does not even occur to them; fixated, as they are, upon their own egos being stroked through being acknowledged, 'followed', 'liked', and generally cheered on by more minor contrarians. These are deeply disturbed individuals who do not give a shit about the effects of the nonsense they spread has upon others.

'Contrarianism' is not necessarily a bad thing. It could mean a willingness to reassess a complex issue by going back to basic premises to see if the received wisdom adds up or if there is an alternative perspective which (better) fits the facts; a willingness to give a complex issue a fresh, honest look. Or - as it more usually goes - it is about cherry-picking facts (and/or misrepresenting them) in order to make yourself stand out from the crowd and appear insightful and important. These 'contrarians' who question everything for their own peculiar ends, but possess neither the stamina nor the intellect to properly embrace the subject at hand, are dishonest and dangerous. I have a deep loathing for them. Their followers are usually more deserving of some sympathy. They are not usually indifferent to harm caused to others. They are more usually just mislead and more easily lead, I guess.
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« Reply #60683 on: July 27, 2021, 01:21:06 pm »
That photo of him on his bedside, looking at his phone, is chilling in that he would be dead in a few days.

And I bet plenty of fit 30 somethings have the same misplaced confidence.
It is such a pointless waste.
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« Reply #60684 on: July 27, 2021, 01:22:41 pm »
Was similar story on the bbc 2 days ago about a young man from the USA who wished he had got the vaccine as he was about to die.
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« Reply #60685 on: July 27, 2021, 01:23:48 pm »
That photo of him on his bedside, looking at his phone, is chilling in that he would be dead in a few days.

And I bet plenty of fit 30 somethings have the same misplaced confidence.

The comments on the Dr's tweet are absolutely vile

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« Reply #60686 on: July 27, 2021, 02:25:43 pm »
We're at a point now, that so many are vaccinated, that if there is some terrible consequence further down the line, then I wouldn't want to be one of the unvaccinated clearing up the mess. In a similar way I wouldn't want to survive a nuclear war.
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« Reply #60687 on: July 27, 2021, 02:34:44 pm »
We're at a point now, that so many are vaccinated, that if there is some terrible consequence further down the line, then I wouldn't want to be one of the unvaccinated clearing up the mess. In a similar way I wouldn't want to survive a nuclear war.

That could be a selling point for getting them vaccinated - do you really want to be surrounded by 40 million plus rotting corpses and the billions of flies and millions of rats that will produce.
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« Reply #60688 on: July 27, 2021, 02:51:08 pm »
I know an anit vaxxer who's now spending 4th week in hospital, on ECMO and got fibrosis in the lungs which cant be treated because of other issues attacking him. In his early 40s

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« Reply #60689 on: July 27, 2021, 02:57:01 pm »
I know an anit vaxxer who's now spending 4th week in hospital, on ECMO and got fibrosis in the lungs which cant be treated because of other issues attacking him. In his early 40s

Do you know why he had the anti-vax stance?
I kind of think serves him right, but knowing how serious it is when ECMO is involved, I can't help but be sympathetic toward him and his family.
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« Reply #60690 on: July 27, 2021, 03:24:45 pm »
If anyone hasn’t watched it, the Anti-Vax programme on All 4 is well worth a watch and really eye opening.

I had no idea all this shit started with Andrew Wakefield, what an absolute prick that man is.

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« Reply #60691 on: July 27, 2021, 03:29:10 pm »
Where I work is now shut until next Wednesday.  Only four of us work there, three have it!

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« Reply #60692 on: July 27, 2021, 04:02:41 pm »
23511!

The drop is increasing in pace for the 7th day in a row…. It’s never done that before!
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« Reply #60694 on: July 27, 2021, 04:08:05 pm »
50% drop week on week…
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« Reply #60695 on: July 27, 2021, 04:09:08 pm »
Deaths getting up to the kind of numbers though where you are relieved cases didn't go much higher this time around

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« Reply #60696 on: July 27, 2021, 04:25:57 pm »
Deaths getting up to the kind of numbers though where you are relieved cases didn't go much higher this time around

Will the number of deaths rise day to day due to that lag?
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« Reply #60697 on: July 27, 2021, 04:27:13 pm »
Will the number of deaths rise day to day due to that lag?

Yes it may still have a bit further to go.

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« Reply #60698 on: July 27, 2021, 04:40:17 pm »
23511!

The drop is increasing in pace for the 7th day in a row…. It’s never done that before!

Are we just seeing a lot fewer tests with schools now finished? Are there any other reasons why cases are falling so consistently that haven’t been talked about much? Or can we just take the good news at face value?

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« Reply #60699 on: July 27, 2021, 04:43:17 pm »
Are we getting any stats on vaccinated vs unvaccinated deaths?
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« Reply #60700 on: July 27, 2021, 04:44:53 pm »
Are we getting any stats on vaccinated vs unvaccinated deaths?
Something like this?



https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1418096984838266881?s=21
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« Reply #60701 on: July 27, 2021, 04:45:07 pm »
And 65k first vaccinations yesterday, highest in over a week.
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« Reply #60702 on: July 27, 2021, 04:50:20 pm »
Something like this?



Have you go the tweet where you found this please mate? Need to retweet it!

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« Reply #60703 on: July 27, 2021, 04:52:58 pm »
Are we just seeing a lot fewer tests with schools now finished? Are there any other reasons why cases are falling so consistently that haven’t been talked about much? Or can we just take the good news at face value?

Going back to April, its fluctuated from between 500,000 and 1,300,000 test per day all the way through and they still did 810,459 tests yesterday, which is 200,000 more than the 26th June, so not really no

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing 
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« Reply #60704 on: July 27, 2021, 04:54:02 pm »
Do you know why he had the anti-vax stance?
I kind of think serves him right, but knowing how serious it is when ECMO is involved, I can't help but be sympathetic toward him and his family.

Told everyone he didn’t want to take it because it’s in a trial stage. He’s in a bad place, got a yr old kid too

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« Reply #60705 on: July 27, 2021, 04:56:35 pm »
Have you go the tweet where you found this please mate? Need to retweet it!
Added to the original post…

https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1418096984838266881?s=21
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« Reply #60706 on: July 27, 2021, 04:58:11 pm »
Going back to April, its fluctuated from between 500,000 and 1,300,000 test per day all the way through and they still did 810,459 tests yesterday, which is 200,000 more than the 26th June, so not really no

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing 

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« Reply #60707 on: July 27, 2021, 05:00:05 pm »
Something like this?



https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1418096984838266881?s=21

thanks, yeah i'd seen that, just generally wondered if we were getting daily updates on that kinda thing
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« Reply #60708 on: July 27, 2021, 05:01:49 pm »
Thought this was good from Prof. Graham Medley who specialises in pandemic modelling, including for SAGE.

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Hospital admissions are a more reliable data stream. These lag a week from cases. Even then, a change in hospital admissions might be related to a change in who is getting infected. Younger people, for example, are less likely to end up in hospital. Office for National Statistics (ONS) and Real-time Assessment of Community Transmission (React) data, which is collected from random samples, takes a couple of weeks to be processed and published. Once these show falling numbers of infections, we will have confirmation that prevalence is falling.

So when we have a day with lower cases, and people ask “are we there yet?”, I will say wait a week. If cases have fallen during the week, I will point to rising hospital admissions. But if they fall, and ONS and React data show a fall in prevalence the following week, then we will be able to say that the day with lower cases three weeks earlier was just after the peak, but actually the peak in infections was a week before that.

An even bigger challenge is that the rate of increase of infections (the R number) is determined by two things: contact rates and immunity. At any peak of a wave, R = 1. As immunity increases, due to infection and vaccination, R falls. As we change our behaviour and make more contacts, R increases. It’s a balance. There might be enough immunity to keep R below 1 if we are meeting three people per day, but not if we each meet five people every day.

If nobody had immunity to Covid-19, and everyone was still socialising at pre-pandemic levels, the R number for the Delta variant would be about 6. Currently it is 1.4. Recent contact surveys suggest that we are having about half the social contact now compared with pre-pandemic levels.

It’s quite likely that we will reach a peak, and that, as behaviours change and social contact increases, we will have another peak to climb. And, again, the delays will matter, because we can’t immediately see the effects of increased socialising on case numbers. If the removal of all restrictions in England on 19 July has a big effect on transmission, we won’t be able to see this until the week beginning 2 August. So in the next couple of months it’s unlikely there will be a rise to a single peak and then a fall. It will be more like going over a range of hills, with many peaks in different places, than it will be climbing a single mountain.

The epidemic is going to go up and down in the coming weeks. The number of cases will jump around a lot. It’s only by looking backwards that we can see clearly where we have been. So we will never be able to answer “are we there yet?”. We will only be able to say when we were there. And that might have only been temporary.

The consequence of all this is that our individual risk of infection is going to be higher in the coming months than it has been at any point during the pandemic, because the number of infections will likely be higher than at any other point. Vaccinations will prevent many deaths and keep many people out of hospital. But the risks to individuals still exist. If one thing that is clear from all this, it’s the importance of getting vaccinated.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/26/when-england-peak-covid-infections-trajectory-pandemic

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« Reply #60709 on: July 27, 2021, 05:04:55 pm »
More little bits of good news

Most recovered COVID-19 patients mount broad, durable immunity after infection
Neutralizing antibodies show a bi-phasic decay with half-lives >200 days
Spike IgG+ memory B cells increase and persist post-infection
Durable polyfunctional CD4 and CD8 T cells recognize distinct viral epitope regions

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« Reply #60710 on: July 27, 2021, 05:05:45 pm »
Are there any ideas as to why the death rate has become higher suddenly? Is this maybe due to people getting covid who are yet to be vaccinated?
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« Reply #60711 on: July 27, 2021, 05:43:35 pm »
23511!

The drop is increasing in pace for the 7th day in a row…. It’s never done that before!

Has everything remained equal though I.e is there a different way the results are now tabulated as opposed to previously?

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« Reply #60712 on: July 27, 2021, 05:46:55 pm »
Are there any ideas as to why the death rate has become higher suddenly? Is this maybe due to people getting covid who are yet to be vaccinated?

Combo of time-lag re infections-hospitalised-death and (maybe) some numbers unreported from weekend just gone.

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« Reply #60713 on: July 27, 2021, 05:47:55 pm »
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« Reply #60714 on: July 27, 2021, 06:02:11 pm »
I've just had notification that Rotherham area are offering people aged 17yrs 9mths their first jab.

Has this been announced nationwide?

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« Reply #60715 on: July 27, 2021, 06:27:43 pm »
I've just had notification that Rotherham area are offering people aged 17yrs 9mths their first jab.

Has this been announced nationwide?
I think it has Debs. It was announced recently for those within 3 months of their 18th birthday, along with those in the 15 - 17 yr old group who have underlying health issues

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« Reply #60716 on: July 27, 2021, 06:34:29 pm »
23511!

The drop is increasing in pace for the 7th day in a row…. It’s never done that before!
That's encouraging - although there was a Prof. on telly earlier (forgotten his name, but based in Scotland ?) saying he thinks it's likely to be the drop off after the Euros effect, along with school hols, but that we haven't yet seen what effect the opening up after the 19th will have and won't for a further week or two......so it could go up again.

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« Reply #60717 on: July 27, 2021, 06:35:23 pm »
Are there any ideas as to why the death rate has become higher suddenly? Is this maybe due to people getting covid who are yet to be vaccinated?

I'm guessing infection rates aren't being recorded properly.  I live in a walkway with 8 houses, 7/8 are isolating and my work is shut until next week as 3/4 of us are positive.  People going to boozers to watch footy etc won't help.  And yea the anti vax mob don't help.

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« Reply #60718 on: July 27, 2021, 06:36:24 pm »
I think it has Debs. It was announced recently for those within 3 months of their 18th birthday, along with those in the 15 - 17 yr old group who have underlying health issues

What's the thinking behind that? Doesn't really make sense and seems very arbitrary. Either vaccinate teenagers or don't. What difference is there between those who are 17 and 9 months and those who are 17 and 1 month?

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« Reply #60719 on: July 27, 2021, 06:48:28 pm »
I think it has Debs. It was announced recently for those within 3 months of their 18th birthday, along with those in the 15 - 17 yr old group who have underlying health issues

Yeah that's how it's worded mate, within 3mths but it didn't mention that last bit.

Good to know we're trying to get as many as possible from as young as we feel comfortable with.