Topic: Oooo, we're (Spurs) gonna have a Kop end!

[4pool]

Bit harsh! Obviously I'm biased, but I'd say White Hart Lane is one of the most atmospheric stadiums in the Premier League.

is it a High Altitude stadium or what?

Anyway, can you schedule us for opening day we'll pay you back. 

[Terry de Niro]

Would prefer to stay at Anfield. There, I said it.

You and me both.

[Chivasino]

Don't mind admitting im jealous as well.

As much as I would love to stay at Anfield, we badly need a new stadium.

[Elzar]

Yeah, the new stadium is gonna slightly overlap the current stadium so the vast majority of the new stadium can be completed whilst we're still playing in the old one (albeit in a slightly reduced capacity). Then in the off-season the remainder will be completed. Here's a diagram:

Sounds like such a good plan on paper......

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Would prefer to stay at Anfield.

You and me both.

Personally, I think that the plans for the re-development of Anfield were abandoned too easy.

[afcgooner]

that looks really good.

MILES better than the emirates which is so generic its not even worth discussing.

NAMING RIGHTS stadium will defo be built before another mock up of new anfield is even considered.

No it isn't. What's wrong with the Emirates? 60 thousand seater stadium, looks great and has fantastic facilities. The only difference seems to be that this one has a kop like stand.

[jooneyisdagod]

In case people forgot, this was the second proposal for the New Anfield from AFL.

What exactly is the point of remembering though ?

[afcgooner]

its widely recognized among non-afc fans that the emirates stadium is very normal looking and has nothing unique about it. it just looks like an ordinary boring stadium.

emirates reminds me of new wembley. the only difference is that its smaller so by default its already worse.

Could a post be any more of an epic fail?

It's a fantastic stadium. Very well designed as well.

[Alan_X]

that looks really good.

MILES better than the emirates which is so generic its not even worth discussing.

NAMING RIGHTS stadium will defo be built before another mock up of new anfield is even considered.

It's virtually identical to the Emirates in the overall layout of the stands apart from the single tier stand at one end. Pretty similar to the original AFL design for Anfield (the Parrybowl).

To use your own words, the architecture of the new Spurs stadium "is very basic". Typical modern bowl design - oval plan to give the best views to the maximum number of fans which results in the sweeping curves at the top of the stands - a simple roof floating over the top. Ancillary accommodation and fan facilities in blocks on four sides under the stands. There's an executive box level with boxes backing onto the "Club Level". Instead of the trusses holding up the roof being on the outside (making the Emirates easily recognisable from a distance, they're slung underneath...  In fact the only real difference is the colour of the cladding and the decision to infill the gap between the top of the ancillary accommodation blocks and the underside of the stands.


Not that there's anything wrong with it at all.

[Gaz123456]

Very impressive - can't deny that I've got a few jealously pangs going on

[RedBoywonder]

So we continue to fall even further behind while all around us our rivals get stronger.

G&H ........... what a fuckin nightmare they have been for LFC.

[GBF]

we'll probably ask a sheik to build it for us and he'll get a percentage off the attendance fee

[rocco]

Will the UK government be footing  part of the building costs ? since completion for 2012 ?

[scatman]

fuck me, c*nts, im jealous

[scatman]

Will the UK government be footing  part of the building costs ? since completion for 2012 ?

nope, its financed by the rich c*nts who run Spurs (Mr Lewis and co)

[Tommy_W]

nope, its financed by the rich c*nts who run Spurs (Mr Lewis and co)

Plus the potential naming rights of course. Didn't Arsenal get 100 million or so for the Emirates?

[firing squad]

It's good(especially that 1 tier stand) but it looks like one of our new designs. It would be shit if both we and Spurs end up with "the same" stadium.

[ArdaTuran]

what if the new anfield is called Hicks & Gilett Arena, would anybody stil want it to be build even if it as big as Nou Camp?

[Bennyo]

It's virtually identical to the Emirates in the overall layout of the stands apart from the single tier stand at one end. Pretty similar to the original AFL design for Anfield (the Parrybowl).

To use your own words, the architecture of the new Spurs stadium "is very basic". Typical modern bowl design - oval plan to give the best views to the maximum number of fans which results in the sweeping curves at the top of the stands - a simple roof floating over the top. Ancillary accommodation and fan facilities in blocks on four sides under the stands. There's an executive box level with boxes backing onto the "Club Level". Instead of the trusses holding up the roof being on the outside (making the Emirates easily recognisable from a distance, they're slung underneath...  In fact the only real difference is the colour of the cladding and the decision to infill the gap between the top of the ancillary accommodation blocks and the underside of the stands.


Not that there's anything wrong with it at all.

It's a lot nearer to the pitch, and seems to have more of an 'enclosed' feel, than the glass at the emirates has.

I'm also not a big fan of the emirates. Big comfy seats, lots of leg room, easy access in and out (except for away fans), for some reason as many girl's toilets as boy's (so there's always a massive queue for the gents), but absolutely ZERO atmosphere with no identity despite all the branding and I'm sure it's not all the arsenal fan's fault. I'm PETRIFIED of our stadium ending up like the emirates. As unique and soulful as a crisp packet.

[RJH]

Plus the potential naming rights of course. Didn't Arsenal get 100 million or so for the Emirates?

The deal was for 15 years of naming rights, and 8 years worth of shirt sponsorship.
Assuming they could have got a separate shirt deal worth about as much as Liverpool's current Carlsberg one, it works out at about £45 million for naming rights - £3 million a year.

[scatman]

The deal was for 15 years of naming rights, and 8 years worth of shirt sponsorship.
Assuming they could have got a separate shirt deal worth about as much as Liverpool's current Carlsberg one, it works out at about £45 million for naming rights - £3 million a year.

yep the arsenal naming rights deal was actually a poor deal.

[Alan_X]

It's a lot nearer to the pitch, and seems to have more of an 'enclosed' feel, than the glass at the emirates has.

I'm also not a big fan of the emirates. Big comfy seats, lots of leg room, easy access in and out (except for away fans), for some reason as many girl's toilets as boy's (so there's always a massive queue for the gents), but absolutely ZERO atmosphere with no identity despite all the branding and I'm sure it's not all the arsenal fan's fault. I'm PETRIFIED of our stadium ending up like the emirates. As unique and soulful as a crisp packet.

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I agree about the Emirates - it's too comfortable and lacks any real atmosphere - I hope that whatever design is finally built the "Kop" and "Anfield Road" stands are set out the minimum comfort standards to maximise the atmosphere. The main stands and boxes can be more comfortable but in the ends should as tight as possible.

However, on my main point the architecture of the Emirates and NWHL is fundamentally the same:

New White Hart Lane:



Emirates:



The arrangement of the tiers, corporate boxes, shape of the footprint and stands are the same, you can even see the roof trusses on the top of the Emirate's roof are virtually identical to the WHL underslung trusses.

The WHL that some people are creaming themselves over is almost identical to the revised Parrybowl with a single tier Kop stand that everyone seems to hate.

I'd be very wary of those internal visuals - I bet the real thing will be a lot less rammed than it appears there. The single tier stand is meant to hold 9+ thousand but in that picture it looks more like 12-15,000. It looks like a late amendment for the press - those seats at the sides would have no view of the touchlines for example.

It would be interesting to know how they got away with having the stands closer to the pitch - there are standards for new stadia so maybe there's some compromise.

[L Redwing]

The arrangement of the tiers, corporate boxes, shape of the footprint and stands are the same, you can even see the roof trusses on the top of the Emirate's roof are virtually identical to the WHL underslung trusses.

The WHL that some people are creaming themselves over is almost identical to the revised Parrybowl with a single tier Kop stand that everyone seems to hate.

I'd be very wary of those internal visuals - I bet the real thing will be a lot less rammed than it appears there. The single tier stand is meant to hold 9+ thousand but in that picture it looks more like 12-15,000. It looks like a late amendment for the press - those seats at the sides would have no view of the touchlines for example.

It would be interesting to know how they got away with having the stands closer to the pitch - there are standards for new stadia so maybe there's some compromise.

Alan, I always appreciate your architectural insight. I know your comments on the new H&G stadium have convinced me that the architects got it wrong and I am perversely pleased that they haven't been able to start building. I keep hoping that new owners mean new stadium design that would address some of your concerns and criticisms.

[sixpackred]

Would prefer to stay at Anfield. There, I said it.

Is the new Spurs ground still in Tottenham? Its like a Mercedes amongst a bunch of Fiat Punto's.

i'm glad you said it.

[rednile]

I remember the days when we had drawings of a new stadium aaaahhhhh   good times .

[TipTopKop]

Looks good. Maybe it will put pressure on G&H to start something on our own stadium ?.

[Stussy]

This bugs me. It pisses me off. Because of our own situation. But also because you're building a kop. Fuck off.

edit: Alan is right, looking at the pics more closely it does look like a cross between the Emirates and the Parry Bowl.

I have daydreams about just staying at Anfield and growing it. I don't care what anyone says. If we had had an ambitious, assertive and forward thinking, visionary owner, ready to fight the council when they got in the way over the last 20 years instead of Moores we could have made it happen.

[firing squad]

If we get some Arab billionaire to own the club than I say let's stay at an Anfield. It's a sacred ground with history and a legendary aura. Having an Arab billionaire as owner should mean that we won't need to build a new ground for revenue,the guy will spend heavily anyway. 

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

I remember the days when we had drawings of a new stadium aaaahhhhh   good times .

 

[Alan_X]

Sorry but this:



and this:



show why our current design should never come out of the ground...

This:



smaller version of the Parry Bowl/Emirates/generic football stadium is more of a football ground than that shite. Why the fuck has it got picture windows?...

or massive gaps between the stands?...

Fuck, I'm angry now...

[TALBERT]

Just found this

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/real-football/811463-my-new-anfield-alternative-anfield-expansion-images.html

Looks really good....

There's also further expansion designs on Skyscrappercity website

I still think expanding Anfield and making full use of the availible space around Anfield is the best way to go....

A. It will be cheaper....
B. We won't end up with a half build stadium with the owners doing a runner....
C. We get to stay at the stadium we all love...

[Bennyo]

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I agree about the Emirates - it's too comfortable and lacks any real atmosphere - I hope that whatever design is finally built the "Kop" and "Anfield Road" stands are set out the minimum comfort standards to maximise the atmosphere. The main stands and boxes can be more comfortable but in the ends should as tight as possible.

If it was discomfort that made atmosphere then the main stand with their tiny wooden seats would be the best in the league! But I see what you mean, and I agree - too much comfort in not conducive to creating an atmosphere. If I wanted to be comfy then I'd have stayed on the sofa and watched it on the tv.

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However, on my main point the architecture of the Emirates and NWHL is fundamentally the same:

The arrangement of the tiers, corporate boxes, shape of the footprint and stands are the same, you can even see the roof trusses on the top of the Emirate's roof are virtually identical to the WHL underslung trusses.

The WHL that some people are creaming themselves over is almost identical to the revised Parrybowl with a single tier Kop stand that everyone seems to hate.

I'd be very wary of those internal visuals - I bet the real thing will be a lot less rammed than it appears there. The single tier stand is meant to hold 9+ thousand but in that picture it looks more like 12-15,000. It looks like a late amendment for the press - those seats at the sides would have no view of the touchlines for example.

It would be interesting to know how they got away with having the stands closer to the pitch - there are standards for new stadia so maybe there's some compromise.

I completely agree with you again here, they are incredibly similar. However, I would say that with the single tier stand and the proximity to the pitch, New WHL looks like an decent enough stadium.

I stress that this opinion is based simply on photographs, and that I would probably like the Emirates more if I hadn't been there a few times, and had only seen conceptual photos.

Mind you, shows how crap AFL are at even making their concepts attractive. Look like Noddy stadiums their mock-ups.

[Bennyo]

Looks like a cell eating another cell. Could be quite cool in the flesh if it (sitting in old WHL watching new WHL 'eating' the stadium) comes off as planned.

[Bennyo]

smaller version of the Parry Bowl/Emirates/generic football stadium is more of a football ground than that shite. Why the fuck has it got picture windows?...

or massive gaps between the stands?...

Fuck, I'm angry now...

Gaps between the stands are for later expansion/preserve the 'four seperate stands' feel that makes British grounds feel unique (and I'm sure ranked highly in focus group questionaires!)??

Just a guess.

As someone has said on here, the silver lining on the lying yanks who don't build the stadium they promised cloud is that I haven't really liked the designs so far!

[Alan_X]

Gaps between the stands are for later expansion/preserve the 'four seperate stands' feel that makes British grounds feel unique (and I'm sure ranked highly in focus group questionaires!)??

Just a guess.

As someone has said on here, the silver lining on the lying yanks who don't build the stadium they promised cloud is that I haven't really liked the designs so far!

You can have four separate stands without those stupid gaps and "views out/in" (typical architect bollocks). It's an NFL stadium not a football stadium. And you can't infill them later because of that fucking ridiculous roof structure.

[Bennyo]

You can have four separate stands without those stupid gaps and "views out/in" (typical architect bollocks). It's an NFL stadium not a football stadium. And you can't infill them later because of that fucking ridiculous roof structure.

Wasn't being sarcy mate, was really just a guess.

[Alan_X]

Wasn't being sarcy mate, was really just a guess.

I know mate, just one of my bug-bears. No offence intended.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

To be honest, the ParryBowl was not such a bad design.



I always had two objections to that design:

1. There should have been a single-tiered Kop.
2. Those masts and wires always looked ugly to me.

Still, both problems should have been easy to resolve. Here is a nice solution for the roof:

[afcgooner]

The architecture is very basic, if it didn't say Arsenal FC or Emirates stadium on it and it wasn't in North London I honestly would not be able to distinguish it from any other normal stadium.

Didn't Wenger have a say in the design. He must not have "seen" that one either.

to be honest, I think someone is just a little bit jealous their main rivals are getting a nicer stadium then the one they built a couple of years ago.

It still doesn't mean it's not a good stadium.

And how is it nicer than the Emirates? It actually looks exactly like the Emirates.

[Tommy_W]

It still doesn't mean it's not a good stadium.

And how is it nicer than the Emirates? It actually looks exactly like the Emirates.

The single tiered stand alone makes it nicer than the Emirates