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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2880 on: November 20, 2020, 07:07:52 pm »
Matip is significantly more talented than either Carra or Hyppia, and I don't think he's a worse defender than either (they'd be horribly exposed in this team, he wouldn't be in their teams, not at all). That said, reliability is so important and it's his inability to stretch games together that stops him being really up there with the best of the best. And it's a damn shame, because injuries aside he's excellent.
Not sure he's significantly more talented than Hyppia who was a fantastic player at his peak and a bit underrated in terms of his ability on the ball. Sami was also a great leader, which apart from being injury prone is probably the one attribute that Joel lacks compared with others in the list.

You could  probably make a case for most others in the list not being able to play in the current team. Except for Virg obviously, maybe only Lawrenson and Hansen would have had the required pace, technical ability and tactical awareness to play in a Klopp team.

He is a much better player than Carra, but Carra's robustness was a definite plus. If Matip could have managed to stay fit for a reasonable length he'd be widely recognised as one of the best in the world over the last few years.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2881 on: November 20, 2020, 08:05:05 pm »
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2882 on: November 20, 2020, 08:35:54 pm »
Matip is significantly more talented than either Carra or Hyppia, and I don't think he's a worse defender than either (they'd be horribly exposed in this team, he wouldn't be in their teams, not at all). That said, reliability is so important and it's his inability to stretch games together that stops him being really up there with the best of the best. And it's a damn shame, because injuries aside he's excellent.

Sam had his moments for the Reds Seb. More than a few. And Carragher did amazing things for Liverpool on willpower alone. But I kind of agree with you. Matip is a New Model Defender. Quick, skilful, proactive and a love relationship with the ball. Let's never forget too, that he supplied one of the most famous assists in LFC history. He must spread confidence throughout the side whenever he plays.

What we would give now for an injury-free stretch in the first team. If he manages that then Liverpool's season is a going concern.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2883 on: November 20, 2020, 09:27:06 pm »
Top 10 in the world at present? In recent LFC history? Both?

Off the top of my head - LFC centre backs maybe  better than Matip (since the 70s when I started watching) : Hughes, Smith, Hansen, Lawrenson, Thompson, Hyppia, Agger, Virg,  Carra.

So yeah, he's been a great signing.

I'd say he's good as Agger if not better.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2884 on: November 20, 2020, 09:41:06 pm »
I'd say he's good as Agger if not better.
Yeah maybe. Dan was a good player but like Matip was injured a lot. Not much between them.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2885 on: November 20, 2020, 09:51:52 pm »
Yeah maybe. Dan was a good player but like Matip was injured a lot. Not much between them.

Matip is quicker. Which is significant in today's football. Agger is probably more pleasant to watch on the ball but Matip is fairly comfortable passing the ball and breaking forward and making runs.

Agger's injury problems were more significant imo. Out of the 9 seasons he spent with us, he only played more than 30 times overall in 4 out of those 9 seasons.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2886 on: November 20, 2020, 09:59:53 pm »
I don't know anyone who doesn't think Matip is quality tbf. Even opposition fans, who for some reason think Gomez is shite, say Matip is great.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2887 on: November 20, 2020, 10:05:38 pm »
Matip is a great player, he was outstanding in our run to the CL win. Obviously wish we'd seen more of him but he's always good when he plays.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2888 on: November 20, 2020, 10:07:02 pm »
I'd say he's good as Agger if not better.

Markus Babbel and Mark Wright were better too.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2889 on: November 20, 2020, 10:23:21 pm »
Always thought Agger ridiculously overrated by our fans, Matip towers over him.

Our five best CB's during the Prem years have been

1. Virgil
2. Matip
3. Gomez
4. Hyypia
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2890 on: November 20, 2020, 10:25:26 pm »
Always thought Agger ridiculously overrated by our fans, Matip towers over him.

Our five best CB's during the Prem years have been

1. Virgil
2. Matip
3. Gomez
4. Hyypia
5. Henchoz

I wouldn't have Gomez over Hyypia, and I'd have Carra over Henchoz for sure.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2891 on: November 20, 2020, 10:27:09 pm »
I wish people wouldn’t bring this thread to the top of the page.

I see it and think ‘Christ on a bike is he injured now!?’

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2892 on: November 20, 2020, 10:29:30 pm »
Not injured but a fantastic Montage.


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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2893 on: November 22, 2020, 09:19:30 pm »
Right, get the cotton wool suit out, and bring him back out for the next league game.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2894 on: November 22, 2020, 09:20:54 pm »
Right, get the cotton wool suit out, and bring him back out for the next league game.

Joel is a magnificent player  8)

I’m not convinced he actually needs to train. We should pull a Ledley King with him.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2895 on: November 22, 2020, 09:22:22 pm »
His passing is ridiculous for a centre back.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2896 on: November 22, 2020, 09:26:04 pm »
His passing is ridiculous for a centre back.

yeah he can pick a pass!

He started out as a defensive midfielder, easy to see what sort of midfielder he would be as well the way he passes the ball.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2897 on: November 22, 2020, 09:29:07 pm »
Please stay fit. One of the best when he's playing.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2898 on: November 22, 2020, 09:33:46 pm »
Right, get the cotton wool suit out, and bring him back out for the next league game.

Joel is a magnificent player  8)
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2899 on: November 22, 2020, 09:43:42 pm »
His passing is ridiculous for a centre back.
There was a gorgeous long pass out to Robbo in the second half that I was convinced was from Fab until I saw the replay.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2901 on: November 22, 2020, 09:50:13 pm »
Wrap him up in bubble-wrap. Fantastic.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2902 on: November 22, 2020, 09:56:18 pm »
Absolute class, was always in control. Just need to keep him fit which seems to be the main challenge for him.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2903 on: November 22, 2020, 10:04:31 pm »
Wrap him up, drop him home on his sofa and leave him there till we go Brighton. Love the lad, what a brilliant player he is.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2904 on: November 22, 2020, 11:23:54 pm »
people fprget he is the 2nd best CB in the league.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2905 on: November 22, 2020, 11:35:18 pm »
His passing is ridiculous for a centre back.
Can stick his head on it too.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2906 on: November 23, 2020, 07:13:18 am »
Wrap him up, drop him home on his sofa and leave him there till we go Brighton. Love the lad, what a brilliant player he is.

I'd do that with all out starters yesterday. I never want to see us lose a game but if we ever could afford to lose one it's Wednesdays. The greater picture and all that.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2907 on: November 23, 2020, 07:21:19 am »
I’m not convinced he actually needs to train. We should pull a Ledley King with him.

He could do onfield drills, defensive shape / line on a mobility scooter and they should use a body double for corners. Carried to and fro in a sedan chair.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2908 on: November 23, 2020, 08:41:59 am »
This is the only thing Kloppo will allow him to do.   ;D



This is where he needs to stay until our next league match. Just keep pedaling away in the corner there Joel.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2909 on: November 23, 2020, 08:46:13 am »
This is where he needs to stay until our next league match. Just keep pedaling away in the corner there Joel.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2910 on: November 23, 2020, 08:48:58 am »
He's big he's hard he can pass like Steven Gerrard!
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2911 on: November 23, 2020, 08:51:45 am »
Wrap his beautiful limbs in cotton wool and put him in the freezer. Think he should be preserved for the league only at the moment

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2912 on: November 23, 2020, 09:02:37 am »
I love Matip, but he is one awkward human.  It's like he got dropped off on our planet and is pretending to fit in.

lol i know what you mean, his outline when moving around always reminds me of a an okapi, almost a giraffe but not quite there

great performance, by the way, dude never needs games to bed back in, up and running and on point from the get go (where joe typically needs a few games to get back up to speed, as do most players)
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2913 on: November 23, 2020, 09:40:23 am »
Top class performance once again - him and Fabinho looked solid

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2914 on: November 23, 2020, 09:52:36 am »
In cotton wool now until next Saturday please.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2915 on: November 23, 2020, 09:59:53 am »
Who do we play in defence on Wednesday then if we're wrapping him in cotton wool? Williams obviously but who else? It shouldn't be Fabinho, he's just come back from a muscle injury and is a higher risk of picking up another than Matip if he plays. Phillips can't play a he's not registered so that leaves Koumetio right?

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2916 on: November 23, 2020, 10:01:37 am »
Who do we play in defence on Wednesday then if we're wrapping him in cotton wool? Williams obviously but who else? It shouldn't be Fabinho, he's just come back from a muscle injury and is a higher risk of picking up another than Matip if he plays. Phillips can't play a he's not registered so that leaves Koumetio right?

Oh yeah Phillips can't play can he. I think we could see 45 mins each for fabinho and Matip?
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2917 on: November 23, 2020, 10:25:37 am »
I think that makes more sense, especially having 5 subs in Europe.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2918 on: November 23, 2020, 10:54:10 pm »
Who do we play in defence on Wednesday then if we're wrapping him in cotton wool? Williams obviously but who else? It shouldn't be Fabinho, he's just come back from a muscle injury and is a higher risk of picking up another than Matip if he plays. Phillips can't play a he's not registered so that leaves Koumetio right?
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #2919 on: November 23, 2020, 11:01:24 pm »
Don't we go strong on Wednesday..win this one then we can use Matchday 5 and 6 as opportunities to rest a few?

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