Topic: Everton vs Liverpool (post game comments)

[scouse pat]

Two in two matches, past acheivements means fuck all. Why have a good keeper in reserve if he never has a chance to play no matter how badly the first choice does?

reina's rafa's boy.

he'll never drop him.

[mark_lfc_forever]

fuckin shockin,no pride whatsoever today,bluenoses wanted it more

[Hinesy]

mr Tomkins is right but it doesn't excuse Capt Marvellous being Petty Officer Piss today, and bad calls and individual errors all cost us.
But that confidence, slick passing and trust in defence and midfield has gone,.

Bad fucking form. Especially against that shower.

[JamesG L4]

I'm fucking ashamed to be honest

Dudek must be given a chance now

Dont talk such shit. Never feel ashamed to be a red, and Pepe deserves more respect.

who knows what this season has in store for this club of ours? Never, ever lose any hope after three games - that shows a complete lack of character and belief.

[lukas]

The more i see their first goal the more that looks like a foul on finnan.

[redway101]

I agree with you mate we are clearly not as good as chelsea or mancs

Sadly I agree.

Fast start to this seaon was critical. Man U have learnt this and come out of the blocks flying.

Mind you I don't think our manager is helping at the moment.

[liverpool-18*****]

I agree with you mate we are clearly not as good as chelsea or mancs

Were well capipble of winning any league with the players and squad we have,but when the manager tinkers like that then,pffft i dunno..

[Deadlogic]

Some of the people on here are absolutely full of shit.

Drop Reina.  Fowlers past it.  Rafa needs to pick the same team every week.  Blah de blah de blah.

Now, I'll admit that at times today we were poor, but come on - nowhere near as bad as some of you are trying to make out.  2 of the 3 goals today were down to luck, and as the saying goes - "it evens itself out over the course of a season."

There will be games where WE win by opportunity instead of deserving.  That's the way it goes.

If you insist on going OTT after every defeat or poor performance, then this is going to be one long, long season.

How about you get behind the team, through thick and thin.  Actually SUPPORTING this team of ours, instead of sticking the knife in any chance you get.

You're the same people who when we win our next trophy, will be out with the rest of us proudly declaring your undying love of all things red, including the players you so easily dismiss.

People say that Chelsea supporters have no class, so how about you start showing yours?

If you have any.

[Liverbird 2010]

Aurelio was fuckin awful to be honest and as soon as I seem him at LB I knew we would get beat, but not by 3-0

[davidg]

Two in two matches, past acheivements means fuck all. Why have a good keeper in reserve if he never has a chance to play no matter how badly the first choice does?

So we should bomb Carra off cos it was his fault for the other two goals?

bollocks.

[Twelfth Man]

Very disapointing to put it incredibly mildly, but our possession and passing was good just our finishing and defending errors cost us. Rafa made some mistakes today in selection, but lets not get to critical. Last year we had a steady team, and thats when we put on our run, perhaps we need to find our best team and then just tinker a little when needed rather than making wholesale changes.

[Ken-Obi]

Shameful performance that.

I have to admit that Everton had greater mission and passion in their squad today - we had almost no time on the ball. Every time the attacked a little bit more of my fingernail disappears.

Moan of the Match - Jamie Carragher. Schoolboy error that gifted them the second goal totally knocked the wind off our sails. Even at one down we still had the chance to get something back but at 0 - 2 with 45 minutes to go, against the bitters at home - I knew it was not going to be our day.

Good chances, none went in.

And there it was Pepe's little gift.

We deserved NOTHING from this game.

'Looking forward' to Monday at the office.

[AdamR]

Carragher was rushed back too quickly, he was poor.
Riise came on which seemed a pointless substitution, look what happened.

Nothing we can do now though, got to look to win at PSV and then chelsea

[Neil D]

Oh and now Fowler has got his contract he seems to have rediscovered his Man City form.

Let's be honest he is well past it now.

I though Robbie's movement was good, it's not like he really had any chances fall to him. But Crouch and Robbie have very little mobility as a pair - just compare them to the constant threat Andy Johnson's pace provides Everton.

[i_wun_bite]

absolutely poor finishing! bad bad defending. Don't understand how did Carra make it in the starting 11. He just recovered and to be place start into the derby was a bad gamble by RB. DA should have retained his spot based on his steady past performances. It's hard to see Fowler and Crouch together. Don't think it's really a great combination. Lacked pace. Garcia and SG on the wings? Lost of plot today by RB.... spent so long chasing wingers only to not use them in the starting 11... Reina should really be benched for now. He has been really poor since the start of the season.

[FTW]

What's with all this defeatist shite? One match we've lost.

[bellinter]

1) Graham Poll is awful

the look of satisfaction on his face when he takes the card out... c*nt. must be thinking, 'look at me, I'm the centre of attention now'

how he missed the handball I'll never know.

[Robbo1980]

To be honest we could have easily won that game confortably.
But that no way hides the fact we were awful.
I dont want to make scapegoats or knee jerk reactions......BUT

Reina - had little to do, made a hash of the last but it was irrelevant at the time.

Finnan - looked ok
Carragher - awful for 2nd goal but was much beter in 2nd half.
Hyypia - awful. Johnson tore him apart, positioning is his strong suit, it was shite today, i will get stick for this but if we are to progress as a side who want to build attacks form the back he needs to be eased out now by Agger, his use of the ball is atrociuos.
Aurellio - positioning very suspect but got stuck in, needs time.

Garcia - looked bright first half and looked like scoring but faded.
Alonso - simply not fit and is not athletic enough to play when not fit, im still not sure he has the pace for games like that.
Gerrard - energetic, could have had 5 goals bu went mising in the last 20 mins.
Sissoko - immense and showed all his quality, 1st name onm the team sheet regardless of Alonso or Gerrard

Fowler - off the pace for most of game
Crouch - no impact


Subs

Riise - hope he is ok, it looked very bad.
Kuyt - lively, will be glad to see him start
Pennant - needs some games to show his worth.


I will explain the Hyypia comments before i get slaughtered, its not him losing pace as he never had any, its not about him being less of a player, its about the progression of the team and we need to be able to build attacks from the back and Hyypia does not have the distribution or calmness on the ball to do this, if we are to progress Hyypia needs to play a role in the squad similar to what Hamman played last year.

[SwedenRed]

yes, one mistake and his great first season gets forgotten about?

A few more mistakes, not just this season. Dont get sentimental... Number 1 is the Club, not 1 particular player. We will never forget individuals great pasts!

[svennis]

We deserved to win today. We had clear penalty turned down and Everton's first two goals should have been disallowed. I'm curious to know how much wanker moyes paid to Poll.

Poll you are a fucking c*nt.

[scouse pat]

Mind you I don't think our manager is helping at the moment.

got to agree with you there.

not one of rafa's better days.

[AdamR]

Some of the people on here are absolutely full of shit.

Drop Reina.  Fowlers past it.  Rafa needs to pick the same team every week.  Blah de blah de blah.

I agree with you

[Reddave7]

That was fucking bollocks.

Rafa got the starting 11 wrong but it's easy to seay that when we've just lose 3 nul but he did. Crouch should have been rested and Kuyt should have started.

Pennant should have started on the right with Momo and Stevie in the middle.

Carra (although I would have played him) shouldn't have been rushed back when Danny Agger has been doing well.

All in all though he were fucking shit.

Pepe - what the fuck was he doing? Knock the fucking ball over the bar.

Dudek must be given a chance now

Disagree with that though. Pepe is a quality keeper and will counce back.

Defence was shocking . Midfield poor apart from Momo. Gerrard made good runs and was unlucky, but could have done better with his chances.

Up top I felt Robbie and Crouch didn't do too bad but I thought Crouch looked a bit jaded and Fowler saw fuck all of the ball.

Unlucky with Riise's injury. Hope he's ok.

Kuyt looked lively when he came on.

Three points are ESSENTIAL next weekend at Stamford Bridge if we have any sort of title aspirations - the league title is well and truly out of reach if we don't dispatch Chelsea in London.

Agreed.

Oh and that ref Poll was a fucking joke. Wanker.

[walshys_mullet]

Call this knee jerk, call it whatever. Feel free to slag me off, at this moment im frustrated and upset - but its our fault and it begins with the manager.

I think Rafa is a great boss, and this summer he's invested very well. But with those purchases, a main worry has arose that i've banged on about for a long while and thats rotation.

Dont tell me that thats the way it is and we have to put up with it, why should we?

Last year we started the season - Rafas rotation policy kicked in and we won one of the first 6 or seven matches and were generally inconsistent. Our great run of unbeaten games up to and through christmas came on the back of of a consistent basis of the first eleven. Now we are back to square one, with different partnerships, different formations already and im fucking sick of it to be honest. Todays 3-0 loss came in the form of many factors. Fair enough 3-0 was harsh and a freaky result but again Rafa couldnt help but tinker could he? A half fit carragher in for an impressive Agger who scored last game - the omittance of Pennant and Bellamy, the accommodation again of Alonso, Gerrard and Sissoko. Its just fucking laughable. And you can bet your life that squad will change for tuesday. Theres no consistency, players dont really know each other, no ones had a chance to put their mark down.

That brings me around to the strikeforce. No Bellamy? Why the fuck not? Foweler was apassanger all game, i mean i love the lad but his best days are gone, Kuyt comes on and looks to make things happen.

In my humble opinion the whole fucking squad - full of talent - is a fucking mess tactically. We need a solid basis bar injuries, we have to pick our best not dependent on opposition but the best eleven we have and stick with it.

Rafas great but sometimes he's too clever for his own good.

[AdamR]

We deserved to win today. We had clear penalty turned down and Everton's first two goals should have been disallowed. I'm curious to know how much wanker moyes paid to Poll.

Poll you are a fucking c*nt.

What planet are you on ?

[TipTopKop]

Shite performance, but all these "Title challenge over" are shite.

Chelsea have already lost this season, yes we've looked pretty mediocre so far..
 
there's a fucking long way to go. We'll dick the Bitters at Anfield.

Have some faith eh.

Correct. I'll be the first to admit if things are wrong, but let's be fair, it's a derby, and anything goes in that, you simply cannot deduct anything from games like today.

We had chances, but it just wasn't our day, let's look ahead to the Champions League now, nothing we can do about this one.

[Livbes]

Get off fucking robbies back, give him a chance anyone can have a gash start to the season, look at Alonso

[FlashingBlade]

We wer'nt shite ...but we where poor...what got me was why all out attack in the first half and pushing th back line so high up?...plus where was the defensive cover form Sisoko and Alonso ( who really needs to start delivering soon or his place in the side will come under scrutiny - class player or not)....Its a sickener to perform against  the shite like this , but to be honest most prem sides at home would have took advantage of our poor defensive display....

[davidmills]

Were well capipble of winning any league with the players and squad we have,but when the manager tinkers like that then,pffft i dunno..

Would the mancs lose 3-0 to everton i doubt it they are stronger than us in every position and as for chelsea god help us

[ollyfrom.tv]

Only going to make one post today. We were fucking dross. Losing 3 nil to a poor team like Everton is unacceptable. Hyypia is way past it. Garcia has never had it, and Reina is fast turning into David James. Overall a fucking useless performance by nearly everyone. And, I include Rafa in that statement.

[Gigantic Lamb]

Where the fuck was Bellamy?

Why didnt Pennant start?

Why didnt Agger keep his place?

Aurelio had a mare,Hyppia was babysitting him all game,Why didnt Riise start?

Why didnt he keep Crouch on in favour of Fowler?


Why why why?

[Neil D]

Aurelio was fuckin awful to be honest and as soon as I seem him at LB I knew we would get beat, but not by 3-0

That was the worst defending I have seen from us since Southampton away in Rafa's first year. Aurelio, Sami and Carra weren't at the races.

[bellinter]

Sissoko - immense and showed all his quality, 1st name onm the team sheet regardless of Alonso or Gerrard

agreed, the man is absolutely vital to the cause

[myrlas]

Our finishing lets us down. Sadly I think that is what will get us into trouble this season,since our midfield isn't penetrating enough to rely on a forward like Crouch.

If we outscore any of Chelsea, Arsenal or ManU this season I'll be surprised...

And with that in mind we need the defense to be on their toes. Defensive errors can hurt us badly... They did today.

[mightykopite8]

FUCKING EVERTONIANDS!!!!

OSMAN = c*nt
CAHILL = BASTARD
JOHNSON = EAT MY SHITE!!!!

[Millie]

We looked tired and disorganised, but were bossing the game until Poll fucked up with bad decisions at crucial times. He didn't give Sami the penalty at 0-0, in the same way Chelsea got theirs when being outplayed by Blackburn, and then allowed them to score both of theirs - although not sure Finnan was definitely fouled.  Then at 2-0 with plenty of time left he ignores a blatant handball. Even if we'd been at our best, it was 12 vs 11.

We hit the post twice and ended the game with ten men due to Riise's injury.

To me it looked like Reina was trying to save the corner, as that would mean Everton could kill off the game. The obvious and easy thing was to tip it over, but he wanted to get hold of the ball to start an attack. But a terrible mistake all the same, and should have dealt with shot in first place.

At last the voice of reason

[scouse pat]

A few more mistakes, not just this season. Dont get sentimental... Number 1 is the Club, not 1 particular player. We will never forget individuals great pasts!

exactly.

alas rafa will never drop reina.

he has a blind spot.

[Twelfth Man]

Yeah hope JAR is OK and once again its only a sprained ankle.

[mark_lfc_forever]

What's with all this defeatist shite? One match we've lost.

we all know that mate but its the manner we lost whats ticking everyone off

[Nicholas]

Feeling now: frustrated

The match itself: After watching 4 matches, I think Aurelio is not a good defender. He maybe a good passer, set piece etc but defender he is not. Alot of times because of the uncertainty on the left, Carragher and Hyypia has to cover there. Notice the first goal all 3 of them stuck on the left leaving Finnan to cover in the middle.