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« Reply #18400 on: May 9, 2021, 04:05:59 pm »
I was right bang the middle of the green square 😀

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« Reply #18401 on: May 9, 2021, 04:06:57 pm »

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« Reply #18402 on: May 9, 2021, 04:12:27 pm »
Thing is there's always civil wars going on in the Tory Party too.  It's why we're in this post Brexit mess.[/b]Is it really that much different[/b]
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« Reply #18403 on: May 9, 2021, 04:15:34 pm »
Thing is there's always civil wars going on in the Tory Party too.  It's why we're in this post Brexit mess. Is it really that much different

They've been achieving significantly better electoral results.  Infighting with 330 seats is better than infighting with 230 seats.

Labour's constant in-fighting will be portrayed as unprofessional and at times unelectable.  The Tories are just about palatable enough for a large portion of the population to view them as electable.  From this disadvantaged position, any Labour in-fighting just makes the Tories more of a default choice.
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« Reply #18405 on: May 9, 2021, 04:54:41 pm »
Looks like Tracy Brabin is going to win the West Yorkshire mayoralty. That'll be another tricky by-election for Labour in her Batley and Spen seat.
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« Reply #18406 on: May 9, 2021, 05:01:41 pm »
Looks like Tracy Brabin is going to win the West Yorkshire mayoralty. That'll be another tricky by-election for Labour in her Batley and Spen seat.
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« Reply #18407 on: May 9, 2021, 05:12:57 pm »
Looks like Tracy Brabin is going to win the West Yorkshire mayoralty. That'll be another tricky by-election for Labour in her Batley and Spen seat.

Gammon central = No chance!
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« Reply #18408 on: May 9, 2021, 05:20:39 pm »
60% Leave vote = No chance!

You were right before the edit :-X
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« Reply #18409 on: May 9, 2021, 05:27:07 pm »
You were right before the edit :-X

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« Reply #18410 on: May 9, 2021, 05:43:03 pm »
They've been achieving significantly better electoral results.  Infighting with 330 seats is better than infighting with 230 seats.

Labour's constant in-fighting will be portrayed as unprofessional and at times unelectable.  The Tories are just about palatable enough for a large portion of the population to view them as electable.  From this disadvantaged position, any Labour in-fighting just makes the Tories more of a default choice.

For sure. But I just don't really see how the answer is splitting into two parties. I just mean to say internal dispute is not like an exclusive Labour thing if the Tories are going through leaders even while in power.

The reality is unfortunately this is a country that mostly votes the Tories in, occasionally the other party. Can't really see how if you split the other party up that mostly doesn't just become always.

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« Reply #18411 on: May 9, 2021, 05:46:47 pm »
Impressive missing this in the selection interview.

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« Reply #18412 on: May 9, 2021, 05:50:44 pm »
For sure. But I just don't really see how the answer is splitting into two parties. I just mean to say internal dispute is not like an exclusive Labour thing if the Tories are going through leaders even while in power.

The reality is unfortunately this is a country that mostly votes the Tories in, occasionally the other party. Can't really see how if you split the other party up that mostly doesn't just become always.

The Tories faced the same problem in the 2000s that Labour now faces. Their base did not reflect the national vote. The famous speech from Theresa May was the first step towards realigning. The problem with Labour, that the Tories did not have, is that the base sees itself as in the right on all matters, and will not realign. And unlike the Tories, the Labour base would rather the opponents stay in national power than adjust.

May's speech happened 5 years into the Labour government, under Ian Duncan Smith. 11 years into the Tory government, and the Labour base still has no intention of realigning, but is still pushing to frame the argument on the left to suit itself rather than the country.
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« Reply #18413 on: May 9, 2021, 05:54:13 pm »
The Tories faced the same problem in the 2000s that Labour now faces. Their base did not reflect the national vote. The famous speech from Theresa May was the first step towards realigning. The problem with Labour, that the Tories did not have, is that the base sees itself as in the right on all matters, and will not realign. And unlike the Tories, the Labour base would rather the opponents stay in national power than adjust.

May's speech happened 5 years into the Labour government, under Ian Duncan Smith. 11 years into the Tory government, and the Labour base still has no intention of realigning, but is still pushing to frame the argument on the left to suit itself rather than the country.

Give it a fucking rest.

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« Reply #18414 on: May 9, 2021, 06:46:49 pm »
Meanwhile, The Tories are going to Gerrymander results going forward like the corrupt bastards they are.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/09/government-to-change-english-voting-system-after-labour-mayoral-victories

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Ministers are pressing ahead with changes to electoral law that could make it easier for Conservatives to win future mayoral elections, as Labour claimed 10 of the 13 posts being contested across England.

The UK home secretary, Priti Patel, has already unveiled plans to switch all future English mayoral elections from the existing supplementary vote system – in which the public ranks their two favourite candidates – to the first past the post system used in elections to the House of Commons.

Prof Tony Travers, of the London School of Economics, said analysis of Thursday’s polls suggested this change could open a potential route to victory for the Tories in cities such as London.

“It’s likely that first past the post would make it somewhat easier for the Conservatives to win if they could come up with a really good candidate,” he said.

Labour’s Sadiq Khan won the London mayoral contest comfortably against his Conservative rival, Shaun Bailey, once voters’ second preferences were taken into account. But Khan beat Bailey by only 40% to 35% on first preference votes, as some leftwing former Labour voters shifted to the Greens and other smaller parties.

Travers said Labour faced the joint challenge of finding a message that lets them take on the Conservatives at a national level while also stopping leftwing voters in major cities moving to the Greens.

“We’re back to the usual problem of the fragmentation of the left, while the centre-right vote is much better at holding itself together,” he said.

Despite Labour’s dominance in London, there are signs that the decades-long Conservative decline in the capital may have been arrested or gone into reverse. In some areas of the capital, Bailey outperformed Khan on first-preference votes, while the Tories have also been buoyed by growing support from Hindu and Sikh communities.

The government will have to pass fresh legislation to change the voting system, which would also affect elections for police and crime commissioners. Labour has pledged to oppose the changes but the Conservatives have a large majority in the Commons and the party is expected to rely on a vague manifesto commitment to the first past the post system as a justification to push it through the Lords.

Although Labour won most mayoral elections across England easily – with Andy Burnham receiving a landslide 67% of votes in Greater Manchester – under the new voting system it would be likely to lose others such as the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough mayoralty.

There is evidence that voters are confused by the use of the supplementary vote system. Almost 5% of ballots cast in this year’s mayor of London election were rejected, mainly because voters had voted for too many candidates.

Conservative candidates won two of the mayoralties that held elections on Thursday: Andy Street in the West Midlands and Ben Houchen with a landslide in Tees Valley.

Street and Houchen narrowly won against the odds in traditional Labour-voting areas when their positions were first contested in 2017. However, this week both candidates were reelected with substantially increased majorities, having trumpeted their ability to win funds for their local area from a central Tory government in Westminster.

Elsewhere, the incumbent Labour mayors Steve Rotheram, Marvin Rees, Norma Redfearn, Paul Dennett and Ros Jones retained their respective roles in the Liverpool city region, Bristol, North Tyneside, Salford and Doncaster respectively.

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« Reply #18415 on: May 9, 2021, 06:47:49 pm »
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I know we're not supposed to say it but some of the electorate really are absolute fucking morons.
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« Reply #18416 on: May 9, 2021, 06:51:30 pm »
Gammon central = No chance!

Is Batley and Spen Gammon Central?

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« Reply #18417 on: May 9, 2021, 06:51:32 pm »
The Tories faced the same problem in the 2000s that Labour now faces. Their base did not reflect the national vote. The famous speech from Theresa May was the first step towards realigning. The problem with Labour, that the Tories did not have, is that the base sees itself as in the right on all matters, and will not realign. And unlike the Tories, the Labour base would rather the opponents stay in national power than adjust.

May's speech happened 5 years into the Labour government, under Ian Duncan Smith. 11 years into the Tory government, and the Labour base still has no intention of realigning, but is still pushing to frame the argument on the left to suit itself rather than the country.
This is the sort of top-down bullshit that has got them into this mess. Democratising the party should be the sole aim for Labour in the short term.

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« Reply #18418 on: May 9, 2021, 06:56:15 pm »
Meanwhile, The Tories are going to Gerrymander results going forward like the corrupt bastards they are.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/09/government-to-change-english-voting-system-after-labour-mayoral-victories

To be fair, there are some on the left who want to change the voting system for general elections for the same reason.

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« Reply #18419 on: May 9, 2021, 06:59:46 pm »
To be fair, there are some on the left who want to change the voting system for general elections for the same reason.

It's not for the same reason though is it.
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« Reply #18420 on: May 9, 2021, 07:00:15 pm »
It's not for the same reason though is it.

To make it easier for their side to win? Yes, it is.

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« Reply #18421 on: May 9, 2021, 07:00:17 pm »
I thought the Tories believed you need a clear manifesto pledge and over 50% of the electorate to vote for you in order to make constitutional changes? Plus a lot of the mayors were put in place a lot less than a generation ago.

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« Reply #18422 on: May 9, 2021, 07:00:21 pm »
This ages you. :)

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« Reply #18423 on: May 9, 2021, 07:02:56 pm »
I tell you what, if Sangria had a tough dump in the morning, he'd blame it on the 'liberal left' of the Labour party wanting equality.

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« Reply #18424 on: May 9, 2021, 07:02:59 pm »
To make it easier for their side to win? Yes, it is.

That's bad faith bullshit and you know it.
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« Reply #18425 on: May 9, 2021, 07:05:17 pm »
I tell you what, if Sangria had a tough dump in the morning, he'd blame it on the 'liberal left' of the Labour party wanting equality.


Why? I'm one of the liberal left. However, I recognise that I am on the leftward margins of the UK population in this regard, and that most people don't think like me. That's why parties I vote for lose in elections.
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« Reply #18426 on: May 9, 2021, 07:05:42 pm »
I tell you what, if Sangria had a tough dump in the morning, he'd blame it on the 'liberal left' of the Labour party wanting equality.


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« Reply #18427 on: May 9, 2021, 07:07:45 pm »
That's bad faith bullshit and you know it.

You genuinely think if either of Labour, the Lib Dems or the Greens had been winning general elections via FPTP in recent years, there'd be the same amount of talk there currently is about "progressive alliances" or changing to PR out of some noble dedication to the principle?

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« Reply #18428 on: May 9, 2021, 07:12:10 pm »
You genuinely think if either of Labour, the Lib Dems or the Greens had been winning general elections via FPTP in recent years, there'd be the same amount of talk there currently is about "progressive alliances" or changing to PR out of some noble dedication to the principle?

Those who actually support electoral reform (i.e. not those who just pay lip service to the idea) support it regardless of who it will benefit at any particular time. The Labour party leadership over the years has never backed it because FPTP benefits them.
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« Reply #18429 on: May 9, 2021, 07:13:20 pm »
Those who actually support electoral reform (i.e. not those who just pay lip service to the idea) support it regardless of who it will benefit at any particular time. The Labour party leadership over the years has never backed it because FPTP benefits them.

Blair "backed" it pre-1997.

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« Reply #18430 on: May 9, 2021, 07:19:46 pm »
Blair "backed" it pre-1997.

Are we claiming Blair as part of the left now? ;D
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« Reply #18431 on: May 9, 2021, 07:25:35 pm »
I tell you what, if Sangria had a tough dump in the morning, he'd blame it on the 'liberal left' of the Labour party wanting equality.


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« Reply #18432 on: May 9, 2021, 07:36:51 pm »
Are we claiming Blair as part of the left now? ;D

No comment.  ;D

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« Reply #18433 on: May 9, 2021, 07:57:06 pm »
Hi Debs - to see where you might lie in all this, might be worth taking this quiz;


Edit - it's a bit American that one - I'll dig a better one out


Ok I think this is a good one;  https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Just done it and I'm slightly further left than you!  😯

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« Reply #18434 on: May 9, 2021, 08:00:49 pm »
Just done it and I'm slightly further left than you!  😯

Welcome to the board as a confirmed Leftie!

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« Reply #18435 on: May 9, 2021, 08:00:54 pm »
Meanwhile, The Tories are going to Gerrymander results going forward like the corrupt bastards they are.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/09/government-to-change-english-voting-system-after-labour-mayoral-victories

Tepid replied to a comment I made a while back, asking how is the current system stacked in their favour. 

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« Reply #18436 on: May 9, 2021, 08:05:11 pm »
Blair "backed" it pre-1997.

Let’s say Blair was always a pragmatist and flexible :D

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« Reply #18437 on: May 9, 2021, 08:08:42 pm »
Let’s say Blair was always a pragmatist and flexible :D

I think long term strategically it was a disastrous error not going through with it - one of his and New Labours worst.

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« Reply #18438 on: May 9, 2021, 08:09:40 pm »
Welcome to the board as a confirmed Leftie!

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My life kinda all makes sense now I think 🤔

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« Reply #18439 on: May 9, 2021, 08:09:43 pm »
Tepid replied to a comment I made a while back, asking how is the current system stacked in their favour. 

Next will be ‘there is evidence of widespread voter fraud’ and then you’ll need a passport or drivers license to vote, restrictions in postal voting, they will just keep chipping away until there’s no opposition left to vote for because there’s no point in them existing.