Topic: Anfield Road Extension - Construction work resumed on 12th September 2023.

[Redric1970]

Does anyone on here with more knowledge about architecture than me (which is probably everyone) think that once the anfield road end is done, see any further ways to expand anfield. Is there anything within reason that can be done to the kop or kenny dalglish stand to increase capacity or will we have reached the limit to what can reasonably be done.

Something like Spurs have done on there new stadium on the single tier.

[Welshred]

It's not a single tier!! There's a mezzanine between two portions that clearly splits it into a top and bottom.

[D🐶G]

Does anyone on here with more knowledge about architecture than me (which is probably everyone) think that once the anfield road end is done, see any further ways to expand anfield. Is there anything within reason that can be done to the kop or kenny dalglish stand to increase capacity or will we have reached the limit to what can reasonably be done.

Something like Spurs have done on there new stadium on the single tier.

Unless you start knocking houses down or redirecting Walton Breck Road, then I’d say the Anfield Road expansion is our limit unfortunately.

[coct3au]

Unless you start knocking houses down or redirecting Walton Breck Road, then I’d say the Anfield Road expansion is our limit unfortunately.

Both of which we have done/are doing for the Anny Rd, so that's not necessarily a limiting factor

[Hij]

Unless you start knocking houses down or redirecting Walton Breck Road, then I’d say the Anfield Road expansion is our limit unfortunately.

A shame but we would be about 16,000 tickets up from 45,000. Which is a near enough 33% expansion or thereabouts. Tickets should be easier after the Anfield Road development, especially for general sales.

[macca007]

Both of which we have done/are doing for the Anny Rd, so that's not necessarily a limiting factor

The anny has a park and no housing behind it. The breck has housing and is an A road so not that straight forward. Been talked about loads in here if you go back. Also if the kop was redone from scratch there would be less seats than currently in the same amount of space so it's a no go for most options from the off

[coct3au]

The anny has a park and no housing behind it. The breck has housing and is an A road so not that straight forward. Been talked about loads in here if you go back. Also if the kop was redone from scratch there would be less seats than currently in the same amount of space so it's a no go for most options from the off

Sure, I didn't say it would be straightforward, I was just saying that we aren't yet at the limit of what is possible.

In terms of the Kop capacity, I'm hoping it will one day be safe standing, and increased accordingly.

[D🐶G]

Both of which we have done/are doing for the Anny Rd, so that's not necessarily a limiting factor

Most of the houses behind the Kenny Dalglish Stand are lived in as far as I’m aware. The houses behind the Main Stand which were removed prior to it’s extension weren’t and the houses that were on Anfield Road at one time were owned by the club.

Would be wonderful to replicate what we’ve done with the Main Stand and what we plan to do with the Anfield Road on one or both of the remaining stands, but I’d be amazed if it ever happens.

[Red Beret]

The anny has a park and no housing behind it. The breck has housing and is an A road so not that straight forward. Been talked about loads in here if you go back. Also if the kop was redone from scratch there would be less seats than currently in the same amount of space so it's a no go for most options from the off

Yeah, but we could fill in the corners...

[The-Originals]

Sure, I didn't say it would be straightforward, I was just saying that we aren't yet at the limit of what is possible.

In terms of the Kop capacity, I'm hoping it will one day be safe standing, and increased accordingly.

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[Alan_X]

Most of the houses behind the Kenny Dalglish Stand are lived in as far as I’m aware. The houses behind the Main Stand which were removed prior to it’s extension weren’t and the houses that were on Anfield Road at one time were owned by the club.

Would be wonderful to replicate what we’ve done with the Main Stand and what we plan to do with the Anfield Road on one or both of the remaining stands, but I’d be amazed if it ever happens.

Kenny Dalglish/Centenary/Kemlyn was an earlier version of the Main Stand.

Under construction:



The old Kemlyn Road stand is the lower tier of the Centenary/Kenny stand with a new upper tier built behind with new roof and new facilities.

As it is now:



You could possibly demolish the upper tier and start again but you would struggle to get the same capacity. You certainly couldn't add another new tier with more than a few thousand seats at exorbitant cost.

[D🐶G]

We still had to demolish a row of houses behind the Kemlyn at the time of building the upper tier though, didn’t we? Seem to remember an elderly couple holding up the development due their refusal to sell up to the club and move out?

Would’ve thought if we were to demolish the upper tier and start again while replicating anything like the new Main Stand, we’d still need to build further back and that would mean demolishing a new row of houses given the restrictions space wise, wouldn’t it?

[CraigDS]

Would’ve thought if we were to demolish the upper tier and start again while replicating anything like the new Main Stand, we’d still need to build further back and that would mean demolishing a new row of houses given the restrictions space wise, wouldn’t it?

Ironically the club used to own them too, and sold them for £1 each to a developer so they could be refurbed and brought back into usable housing.

[Crosby Nick]

Kenny Dalglish/Centenary/Kemlyn was an earlier version of the Main Stand.

Under construction:



The old Kemlyn Road stand is the lower tier of the Centenary/Kenny stand with a new upper tier built behind with new roof and new facilities.

As it is now:



You could possibly demolish the upper tier and start again but you would struggle to get the same capacity. You certainly couldn't add another new tier with more than a few thousand seats at exorbitant cost.

Used to have a season ticket there (well my dad did) at that time right where all the empty seats are!. Would have been the91/92 season when the double decker was being added I think?

[Redric1970]

Kenny Dalglish/Centenary/Kemlyn was an earlier version of the Main Stand.

Under construction:



The old Kemlyn Road stand is the lower tier of the Centenary/Kenny stand with a new upper tier built behind with new roof and new facilities.

As it is now:



You could possibly demolish the upper tier and start again but you would struggle to get the same capacity. You certainly couldn't add another new tier with more than a few thousand seats at exorbitant cost.

What about in the corner where the kenny dalglish upper tier meets the kop, if you lost the police camera Room and relocated it could the upper tier be extended?

[RedSince86]

Ironically the club used to own them too, and sold them for £1 each to a developer so they could be refurbed and brought back into usable housing.

David Moores and Rick Parry.

Dumb and Dumber.

[meady1981]

What about in the corner where the kenny dalglish upper tier meets the kop, if you lost the police camera Room and relocated it could the upper tier be extended?

There's a supporting truss inside there holding up the roof so you'd have to cantilever the roof (like dortmund did) so you could free up those spaces.
Don't know how cost effective that would be - Alan will know.
Presumably they could cantilever SKD and Kop and fill in then corner between.

[Welshred]

There's a supporting truss inside there holding up the roof so you'd have to cantilever the roof (like dortmund did) so you could free up those spaces.
Don't know how cost effective that would be - Alan will know.
Presumably they could cantilever SKD and Kop and fill in then corner between.

For the amount of seats they'd be putting in, which must be about 1-2k, it probably isn't worth it

[Redric1970]

There's a supporting truss inside there holding up the roof so you'd have to cantilever the roof (like dortmund did) so you could free up those spaces.
Don't know how cost effective that would be - Alan will know.
Presumably they could cantilever SKD and Kop and fill in then corner between.

It’s always seemed to me like wasted space, but as you say how cost effective is it to add a couple thousand seats.

[Redric1970]

For the amount of seats they'd be putting in, which must be about 1-2k, it probably isn't worth it

Just trying to think of ways of edging in more fans as you say it would probably add a couple of thousand but how expensive would it be for so few.

[meady1981]

For the amount of seats they'd be putting in, which must be about 1-2k, it probably isn't worth it

Well this is the point isn't it that puts all the 'what next' questions into place. Basically nothing really will be done until Skerries, Wylvia and possibly Arkles are bought by the club. Could take decades. Certainly not on FSG's watch. They said they would take it to 60k and I think that's where'll they'll happily stay. As long as they are preparing for the future by doing that. To be honest, I don't think we'll ever have a ground bigger than 60k on this site imo.

[rob1966]

We still had to demolish a row of houses behind the Kemlyn at the time of building the upper tier though, didn’t we? Seem to remember an elderly couple holding up the development due their refusal to sell up to the club and move out?

Would’ve thought if we were to demolish the upper tier and start again while replicating anything like the new Main Stand, we’d still need to build further back and that would mean demolishing a new row of houses given the restrictions space wise, wouldn’t it?

Yes, it was Kemlyn Road, the back yards of the houses almost butted up against the Kemlyn, it was sisters who lived in the last house left. This is it getting built in 1963



1980

[meady1981]

You can see how close the houses were top image and you can just make out the Mason sisters house left standing on its own on the bottom one (1989)

[Redric1970]

For the amount of seats they'd be putting in, which must be about 1-2k, it probably isn't worth it

But every time you can squeeze in a couple of thousand more fans the noisier and more intimidating anfield becomes, money well spent.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

Was it ever disclosed how much we spent in total on the new stadium plans that was ultimately wasted?

[TepidT2O]

Was it ever disclosed how much we spent in total on the new stadium plans that was ultimately wasted?

£50m was written down

[Fromola]

Well this is the point isn't it that puts all the 'what next' questions into place. Basically nothing really will be done until Skerries, Wylvia and possibly Arkles are bought by the club. Could take decades. Certainly not on FSG's watch. They said they would take it to 60k and I think that's where'll they'll happily stay. As long as they are preparing for the future by doing that. To be honest, I don't think we'll ever have a ground bigger than 60k on this site imo.

Not for a long time anyway which is a shame, but the only club ground in the UK which is higher than 61-62k is Old Trafford. This catches us up with/overtakes the rest.

It's a turnaround from having a lower capacity than the likes of Sunderland for 15 years.

[Welshred]

But every time you can squeeze in a couple of thousand more fans the noisier and more intimidating anfield becomes, money well spent.

I think a lot of people will disagree with you there. It would cost a hell of a lot of money to do and it would be money better off spent on the squad.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Used to have a season ticket there (well my dad did) at that time right where all the empty seats are!. Would have been the91/92 season when the double decker was being added I think?

Yeah,same year we played Genoa.I hadn't seen any of the building until I saw it that night,brings back memories.

[The Lord Admiral]

You can see how close the houses were top image and you can just make out the Mason sisters house left standing on its own on the bottom one (1989)

I love the outside look of the old Kop. Bending around and filling in the corners. Wild how close those houses were when you look now.

Alan's photos of the Kemlyn above reminded me that it must have been like that on my first trip to Anfield. I'd forgotten that. Funny how your memory adapts to the new reality.

Can't wait for the Anny to get done and visit again. It is going to be LOUD on those European nights.

[Alan_X]

Yes, it was Kemlyn Road, the back yards of the houses almost butted up against the Kemlyn, it was sisters who lived in the last house left. This is it getting built in 1963



1980

The wierd shape of the roof must have been to allow daylight into the backs of the houses.

[redgriffin73]

There are lads in Anfield side streets asking ''mind your pushchair, mate?'' on match days too. 

[Billy Elliot]

But every time you can squeeze in a couple of thousand more fans the noisier and more intimidating anfield becomes, money well spent.

Safe standing will at some time come in, that might put the capacity up, doubt it'd stay 1:1 for ever.

Not sure it'll make the atmosphere better, but it'll give everyone a choice.

Separate thread though, so I won't bang on about it.

But I think it'd be on topic to ask  the likes of Alan, if the design of new stand is suitable for a potential future safe standing section?

[RedSince86]

This Guy is doing  updates on the Anfield Road development every Monday on his Youtube channel.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/ubgpB8IANdQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/ubgpB8IANdQ</a>

[CraigDS]

Is this a new vid or the super informative first one again? 

[Red Beret]

I think a lot of people will disagree with you there. It would cost a hell of a lot of money to do and it would be money better off spent on the squad.

Yeah. Unless it can be built into our plans in a cost-effective manner there's no sense to it.

[Welshred]

It's the super informative first one again. I still can't get passed him saying the roof is going to come off in a few weeks.

[Red Beret]

The wierd shape of the roof must have been to allow daylight into the backs of the houses.

Would the club and planning regulations have been that conscientious back then,  Alan?

[Alan_X]

Would the club and planning regulations have been that conscientious back then,  Alan?

It's nothing to do with being conscientious. Basic Rights of Light legislation.

[meady1981]

It's the super informative first one again. I still can't get passed him saying the roof is going to come off in a few weeks.

VIDEO 2 IS UP!!!!!

I feel fucking seasick after watching it though.