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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2015, 05:01:09 pm »
He'd need a work permit for u21 football as well. he could play in the behind closed door games, or some of the youth tournaments we enter though.

Think his development is a little past U21 level football or youth football.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2015, 05:02:24 pm »
Think his development is a little past U21 level football or youth football.
Was answering the question on the bottom of the previous page.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2015, 05:03:23 pm »
Was answering the question on the bottom of the previous page.

Oh. Fair enough  :)

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2015, 05:12:24 pm »
He'd need a work permit for u21 football as well. he could play in the behind closed door games, or some of the youth tournaments we enter though.
Thanks, makes sense.
Think his development is a little past U21 level football or youth football.
This is true, but u21 games or behind closed doors friendlies could stil be a good way for him to showcase his skill to Klopp and our staff before going on another loan.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2015, 05:16:23 pm »
This is true, but u21 games or behind closed doors friendlies could stil be a good way for him to showcase his skill to Klopp and our staff before going on another loan.

He'll have a couple of months (going out on loan in Jan, I suspect) to impress Klopp in training which is great timing to be honest.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2015, 05:18:35 pm »
These work permit laws are ridiculous.  He's a bloody footballer not an accountant.     

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2015, 05:23:53 pm »
These work permit laws are ridiculous. 

The Premier League is 70% foreign players this season so the rules can't be that harsh. Finding it hard to get a work permit for a random Brazilian 18 year old hardly seems ridiculous to me even if it goes against the clubs interests.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2015, 10:26:50 pm »
He's a leftie. You can never have enough lefties in the team. Plus we desperately need one.
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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2015, 07:39:13 pm »
Allan could be the key to unlocking defences.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2015, 08:21:48 pm »
The Premier League is 70% foreign players this season so the rules can't be that harsh. Finding it hard to get a work permit for a random Brazilian 18 year old hardly seems ridiculous to me even if it goes against the clubs interests.

Need to compare on an EU basis vs non EU basis if you're gonna look at something like that mate. Employment laws basically mean someone in Spain has as much of a right to work in UK as a resident UK.

To be fair Italy, Portugal, Germany and Dutch leagues are way more accommodating to players from Brazil etc. than the English leagues.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2015, 10:08:06 pm »
Allan could be the key to unlocking defences.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2015, 10:16:56 pm »
I see you  8)
Thought it was an odd post until i saw your one ;D



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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2015, 10:45:00 pm »
Allan could be the key to unlocking defences.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2015, 10:46:19 pm »
Thought it was an odd post until i saw your one ;D



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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2015, 11:37:29 pm »
A champion in 8 games. Not bad for the lad.

Think Klopp is going to really like him. A very sweet left-foot, lovely balance and surprisingly strong. Plus is already the best corner taker at Liverpool Football Club.

I agree that spending a couple months training and then weighing up his next move in the new year is for the best. I think there will be a fair few European clubs who'll fancy a punt on him.
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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2016, 12:21:04 pm »
A New Test For Liverpool’s Allan Rodrigues De Sousa

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by Paul Grech

Countless articles have been written about the make-up of great players but, ultimately, the essential qualities are three.

The first, most obvious one, is talent. Regardless of what he has going for him, no player will ever manage to get to the highest level if they cannot play football.

This is not necessarily limited to the ability to go past players, which is where thoughts most frequently turn to when the word talent is mentioned, but is dependent on what position on the field a player holds.

Liverpool were already aware of Allan Rodrigues de Souza’s talent when they agreed to pay Internacional £500,000 for his services. They had seen the Brazilian play at the Frenz U18 International Cup in 2015 and been impressed by his creative ability as Internacional went all the way, beating Estudiantes 3-2 in the final.

What they couldn’t really gauge at that stage was his character, an often overlooked yet critical aspect that distinguishes those who go on to achieve greatness from those who disappear without fulfilling their potential.

Perhaps that is why they chose to send him out on loan to Finnish side SJK Helsinki when it became clear that he wasn’t going to qualify for a work permit.

It was certainly a test of character. Allan’s previous experiences had been restricted to his age category. So it was a step up for him to play among professionals and with the pressure of doing so for a club that was going for the first title in its history.

To boot he was doing so in a culture that was completely alien to him, playing in the kind of weather that he certainly wasn’t used to.

If this was a test then he certainly passed it. In his eight games he scored twice – both goals a reflection of his ability for the spectacular – and in general provided the creative spark that SJK needed in order to claim the title.

The benefits of this experience haven’t been lost on him. “I trained in the morning, studied English in the afternoon and stayed home alone at night,” he said upon his return to Liverpool.

“I entered restaurants and asked for something to eat but the waiter wouldn’t understand anything. And I would leave apologising, and ashamed.”

“It was hard, but I grew up with all this and today I find myself more mature as a man.”

His experiences are pretty common for young Brazilian footballers who migrate from their homes to strange countries in search for fame and fortune. At least he had the comfort of knowing that this was only a temporary thing.

Well, sort of. Because Allan still lacks the necessary work permit needed to be able to play in England. Which is why he will spend the coming months in Belgium on loan with St Truiden.

It will be another test; of his character for sure – St Truiden are fighting against relegation – but also of his ability to withstand the physical challenge that a more demanding league will ask of him.

And that is the final quality that enables potential to be transformed into performance at the highest level. If he succeeds at that then Liverpool will know that they’ve got a player on their hands.

http://thebotafogostar.com/2016/02/10/new-test-liverpools-allan-rodrigues-de-sousa/?utm_content=buffer947c9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2016, 01:30:23 pm »
A New Test For Liverpool’s Allan Rodrigues De Sousa

http://thebotafogostar.com/2016/02/10/new-test-liverpools-allan-rodrigues-de-sousa/?utm_content=buffer947c9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Really interested to see how this lad gets on.

Has he actually joined them yet or is it in the pipeline?

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2016, 01:41:35 pm »
Really interested to see how this lad gets on.

Has he actually joined them yet or is it in the pipeline?

Played a few games for them so far, settling in well apparently.

There's a Belgian red on reddit.com/r/liverpoolfc who is doing write up's of each of Allan's games.
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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2016, 01:42:06 pm »
Really interested to see how this lad gets on.

Has he actually joined them yet or is it in the pipeline?

Already had two starts and 1 sub appearance for them.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2016, 02:36:40 pm »
Re: the article, just a reminder that his Finnish club was NOT from Helsinki, but from a small rural town 200 miles north. That makes the culture shock challenge a lot harsher than living in the city, where he could at least find South American restaurants and Portuguese speakers, and certainly get all everyday matters sorted in English without getting stared at or chased out. I have great respect for the way he handled that, even though his contributions on the pitch were key to my club losing the title.
I have no doubt he can be successful in Belgium and hopefully also for Liverpool pretty soon.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2016, 02:44:28 pm »
Are we talking years before he can play for us? Maybe waiting for a European passport?  ???

Looking at the new stricter point system it seems pretty impossible otherwise.

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The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is in the top 25% of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows - 3 points

The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th% of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows - 2 points

The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club is in the top 25% of the top 30 earners at the club - 3 points

The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are between the 50th and 75th% of all the top 30 earners at the club - 2 points

The player’s current club is in a Top League and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes - 1 point

The player’s current club has played in the group stages or onwards of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes - 1 point

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2016, 03:09:48 pm »
Played a few games for them so far, settling in well apparently.

There's a Belgian red on reddit.com/r/liverpoolfc who is doing write up's of each of Allan's games.

Thats great news.  Seems to have a lot of potential.

Most importantly, seems to have a tough personality which is vital.

Fingers crossed we'll be able to get him back in the UK at some point.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2016, 03:55:32 pm »
Thats great news.  Seems to have a lot of potential.

Most importantly, seems to have a tough personality which is vital.

Fingers crossed we'll be able to get him back in the UK at some point.

People need to remember it might take a couple years yet. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. He's going to get a lot of experience in that time, and if he develops in to a very good midfielder by the time he is able to get a work permit, then all the better. I don't expect him to play for us until 21/22 but by then, there's a good chance he'll be good enough to have real effect on the first team.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2016, 03:59:46 pm »
Just seems ridiculous a work permit is required for a footballer at a top European club, who no doubt will be on a decent whack to support himself. What fiddle did United pull off so the Da Silva twins could play at 17?

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2016, 04:16:49 pm »
Just seems ridiculous a work permit is required for a footballer at a top European club, who no doubt will be on a decent whack to support himself. What fiddle did United pull off so the Da Silva twins could play at 17?

The rules have tightened twice since then. The 'exceptional talent' appeal used to just require a couple of references or the manager speaking in person.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2016, 12:25:39 pm »
A little piece on Allan from a Belgian red keeping tabs on his games.

Allan's 5th game -

It was the fourth consecutive game Allan started for STVV. Meaning that coach Chris O'Loughlin has a lot of confidence in him, even though he is still only 18 years old.

Allan is a fighter, he wants the ball and wants to play. A memorable moment from this game was when Mechelen made a foul on a STVV player. The Mechelen player was holding the ball in his hands and Allan was pushing him to get the ball out of his hands. He got the ball and played further. It's lovely to see him wanting to play his game.

His free kicks are also dangerous. He can test the keeper from a fair distance away or he can search for a STVV player to head it in.
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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #69 on: March 15, 2016, 05:41:09 pm »
A call up for the Brazil U20s should help the work permit application.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #70 on: March 15, 2016, 06:26:27 pm »
A call up for the Brazil U20s should help the work permit application.
I was just thinking that when reading the article - if he plays a certain number of international matches, presumably we can then re-apply for a work permit?

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #71 on: March 15, 2016, 06:32:19 pm »
A call up for the Brazil U20s should help the work permit application.

Not sure if he's in contention but I hope he makes the Brazil Olympics squad.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #72 on: March 15, 2016, 06:37:17 pm »
I was just thinking that when reading the article - if he plays a certain number of international matches, presumably we can then re-apply for a work permit?

Think that's first team international games, but him being in the youth team will help us apply for one because he's an 'exceptional' talent.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #73 on: March 15, 2016, 06:40:01 pm »
Think that's first team international games, but him being in the youth team will help us apply for one because he's an 'exceptional' talent.
Thanks - hopefully he gets some games for them then - anything that helps him get to being able to play for us is a bonus.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #74 on: March 16, 2016, 04:10:15 pm »
With Kloppo saying he will be a fixed part of the squad in the future, he must really rate the lad! Exciting!
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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #75 on: March 16, 2016, 04:47:00 pm »
The cynic in me says that Klopp is waxing lyrical about him to aid his WP application under the "special talent" rules.

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #77 on: March 16, 2016, 06:18:46 pm »
Think that's first team international games, but him being in the youth team will help us apply for one because he's an 'exceptional' talent.

Never really got this, what do they regard as exceptional talent and how the hell are they judging it ?

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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2016, 07:04:03 pm »
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Re: Allan Rodrigues de Souza
« Reply #79 on: March 16, 2016, 07:44:43 pm »
nor way! realy? :D

That's way off de mark
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