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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72680 on: October 29, 2024, 11:49:11 am »
At least one of the sporting teams that I'm alright with won over the past few days anyway

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72681 on: October 29, 2024, 05:57:53 pm »
Steelers won was on too late for me to watch. Wilson is surprising people

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72682 on: October 29, 2024, 07:49:34 pm »
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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72683 on: October 29, 2024, 08:23:38 pm »
Richardson benched.

QB evals have gone sideways again like the older days.

For a period in the 2010s, with the changing game to incorporate spread and option concepts and the prevalence of mobile QBs, so many QBs defied old conventions:
-Russell Wilson:  sure he's accurate and a good runner, but he's too short
-Colin Kaepernick:  sure he's got a cannon, but he's a runner (was the NCAA all-time leader for rushing TDs by a QB when he left Nevada); ran a gimmicky offense (the Pistol offense was gimmicky even by college standards)
-Cam Newton:  sure he'll run over some SEC defenses and do some fun things, but can be a NFL passer?
-Deshaun Watson:  one read QB in college; can't start Day 1?
-Justin Herbert:  sure big arm but didn't look good at Oregon; overhyped
-Kyler Murray:  too short; you can run around, but can he be an elite passer?
-Jalen Hurts:  classic old college QB (good for a great college team to move the ball - no chance to develop as a NFL passer)
-Lamar Jackson:  incredible athlete and fun but is he really a NFL QB?
-Patrick Mahomes:  air raid QB at Texas Tech?  Sure he's actually got an NFL arm compared to the old air raid QBs, but that's not a NFL offense
-Jared Goff:  the Cal version of Mahomes; air raid under Sonny Dykes?  Meh.
-Josh Allen:  sure he's a physical freak, but his numbers in college would make Anthony Richardson look like Peyton Manning

But NFL offenses did a great job working, developing, and integrating them into the game.  When I saw the Niners line up in the Pistol and run a zone read with Kaepernick, I knew the NFL was changing.

I thought this trend would continue and even QBs that had knocks on them would thrive thanks to the modern offensive thinking.  Mitchell Trubisky never took a snap under center in college, and while John Fox never knew what to do, Matt Nagy got him a 2:1 TD/INT ratio by year 2.  You don't have to Peyton Manning to put up good numbers sometimes.

But boy since COVID it is a mess.
-Trevor Lawrence:  might've actually peaked as a freshman in college; very little development since
-Zach Wilson:  not much of a track record; questionable competition level; can he make easy throws?
-Justin Fields:  he's got great receivers at Ohio State, and their OL gives him plenty of time to hit deep balls, but can he get rid of the ball quickly in tight windows?
-Trey Lance:  very little track record; questionable competition
-Mac Jones:  exactly who he is; not physically gifted at all and needs talent around him; won't make the tough throws
-2022:  best of bunch are Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, and Malik Willis:  meh
-Bryce Young:  surely a can't miss prospect; wasn't even on the most talented Bama teams; undersized but a leader
-Anthony Richardson:  boom or bust to say the least;  basically the same size as Josh Allen with the exact same knocks on accuracy

Now Stroud and Daniels have bucked the trend so far, but questions on the many QBs since 2021 have been answered:  as in their knocks are confirmed.  It is a far cry from the 2010s, where QBs continued to defy expectations and the position was completely redefined.  While there were still bad transitions (like Darnold, Mariota, Winston), the amount of young QBs that came in and sometimes dominated was impressive.

Maybe it's defenses catching up (e.g. two-deep safety looks?).  Maybe it's small sample size.  Maybe the floor of the college game has been raised (you rarely see defensive showdowns - most good teams can put up big numbers with QBs), but the top end QB prospects have flattened out.

But QB evals and development have seemingly gotten worse.

Perhaps sitting QBs again will help, but given the importance of being competitive with a QB on a rookie contract for cap purposes, GMs seem like they'll keep churning through.
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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72684 on: October 29, 2024, 08:36:04 pm »
^ on that note.....

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to me it's just another sign of nobody having any patience these days. it's all now now now now now now now. you're a bust if you have a poor 2 games.

there'll be talk that the colts 'need' to win now, but why? really? irsay, in one of his possibly few moments of sobriety, should be there telling steichen that his job's safe in terms of results because the important thing is to develop richardson.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72685 on: October 29, 2024, 09:24:33 pm »
Steelers won was on too late for me to watch. Wilson is surprising people

Not sure it's that surprising, given his pedigree. The patched up Oline is protecting him better than I'd hoped though.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72686 on: October 30, 2024, 10:26:22 am »
^ on that note.....

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to me it's just another sign of nobody having any patience these days. it's all now now now now now now now. you're a bust if you have a poor 2 games.

there'll be talk that the colts 'need' to win now, but why? really? irsay, in one of his possibly few moments of sobriety, should be there telling steichen that his job's safe in terms of results because the important thing is to develop richardson.

Although there is always the other extreme ........ Daniel Jones

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72687 on: October 30, 2024, 10:40:59 am »
^ on that note.....

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to me it's just another sign of nobody having any patience these days. it's all now now now now now now now. you're a bust if you have a poor 2 games.

there'll be talk that the colts 'need' to win now, but why? really? irsay, in one of his possibly few moments of sobriety, should be there telling steichen that his job's safe in terms of results because the important thing is to develop richardson.

Given how impactful a QB is, and how expensive a good one is, you’d of thought its financial and sporting suicide not to put a great deal of time and money into improving the QBs on your roster.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72688 on: October 30, 2024, 10:54:11 am »
Although there is always the other extreme ........ Daniel Jones
Yeah you'll always get people making dumb decisions. I think everyone but their front office could see he's not the answer.

But this is seemingly the season of the 2nd or 3rd chance qb so maybe he'll go somewhere else and do alright.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72689 on: October 30, 2024, 10:55:32 am »
Richardson is just shit, there’s no more to it than that. And saying you came out for a play because you’re tired as a QB is a dreadful look. Get him benched and keep him there. Don’t compound mistakes. They fucked up drafting him at 4, at least they’re still trying to win.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72690 on: October 30, 2024, 07:45:52 pm »
Bo Nix has been excellent as well played over 60 games in college and a bit older at than your usual rookie at 24. The Broncos are very young on offense and lack speed at the skill positions but he has been getting better every week. Nix also excellent with his legs and makes a couple of great plays on the ground every week

Broncos playing at the Ravens and the Chiefs the next 2 weeks so Nix probably takes a step back but the Broncos have a top 5 defense and special teams which gives them a chance to keep games close into the 4th quarter. At last the Broncos are finally on sky this week as well.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72691 on: October 30, 2024, 07:48:11 pm »
Richardson is just shit, there’s no more to it than that. And saying you came out for a play because you’re tired as a QB is a dreadful look. Get him benched and keep him there. Don’t compound mistakes. They fucked up drafting him at 4, at least they’re still trying to win.

Him tapping out was an awful look and is probably a large consideration in him being benched.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72692 on: November 1, 2024, 12:19:35 am »
Is there a scarier thing to watch on Halloween than the Jets?

No idea how they keep getting prime time games!

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72693 on: November 1, 2024, 12:23:51 am »
I've got the day off tomorrow and it's on early this week, but I still cba to watch the jets.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72694 on: November 1, 2024, 01:08:33 am »
Not sure if you were tempted to sneak in a look Voodoo, but if you did, you would have witnessed a classic:

Jets rookie runs unopposed into the endzone to score a fantastic TD.

One problem. He celebrated early, dropping the ball just before crossing the goal line, and thus the ball rolls out to the back of the endzone for a touchback.

Couldn't make this up!!

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72695 on: November 1, 2024, 01:10:40 am »
^ this seems to be a thing at the moment.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72696 on: November 1, 2024, 02:46:17 am »
Holy cow. What a great catch (and throw)

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72697 on: November 1, 2024, 07:43:18 am »
Not sure if you were tempted to sneak in a look Voodoo, but if you did, you would have witnessed a classic:

Jets rookie runs unopposed into the endzone to score a fantastic TD.

One problem. He celebrated early, dropping the ball just before crossing the goal line, and thus the ball rolls out to the back of the endzone for a touchback.

Couldn't make this up!!


someone did similar a week or so ago where it got knocked out of their hand (can't remember who, shitty memory) but it was still given on review.

I saw about 3 plays then went to bed, but I've seen the wilson TD catch which looks fantastic.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72698 on: November 1, 2024, 09:05:55 am »
Holy cow. What a great catch (and throw)

That’s gotta be up there for greatest ever NFL catch, right? Insane.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72699 on: November 1, 2024, 12:01:47 pm »
the colts (my team) situation is a very depressing one. Since Andrew Luck we've been in terrible QB limbo. The best one we had was washed up Phillip Rivers!! Richardson has the raw physical ability, fast, strong and a huge arm but lacks accuracy, decision making and poise. Will he ever improve on that enough to be an NFL QB? It sure doesn't look like it atm, Ballard wants to win now cause his job is in threat, Steichen seems to want to win now so they've put Flacco in. This team is going nowhere with Flacco or without him, they might fluke the wildcard but they will lose to the first half decent team they face.. Then what? Then we haven't got a high draft pick, we've got Richardson who's confidence is rock bottom and hasn't had game reps and an ancient Joe Flacco. Pretty grim all round.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72700 on: November 1, 2024, 12:08:43 pm »
Stefon Diggs out for the season with a torn ACL
Jeez. That wouldn’t killed me if he was still at the Bills.
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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72701 on: November 1, 2024, 12:27:57 pm »
Cousins vs zimmer this weekend. I think they'll both be up for that

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72702 on: November 3, 2024, 05:58:39 pm »
Pats away to Titans about to go on Fox.Back to back wins for New England? Probs nah.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72703 on: November 3, 2024, 06:28:33 pm »
Looks bad for Olave

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72704 on: November 3, 2024, 06:46:56 pm »
Get McCarthy out of town Jerry lad
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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72705 on: November 3, 2024, 06:47:34 pm »
Get McCarthy out of town Jerry lad

jerrah isn't going to pay someone to not work. he'll wait until the end of the season when the contract expires.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72706 on: November 3, 2024, 06:48:19 pm »
jerrah isn't going to pay someone to not work. he'll wait until the end of the season when the contract expires.
yes that's a fair point
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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72707 on: November 3, 2024, 07:53:05 pm »
 New England has a lead. Fuck knows how!

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72708 on: November 3, 2024, 07:56:49 pm »
New England has a lead. Fuck knows how!
titans D doesn't seem to bad either. They're shit otherwise though.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72709 on: November 3, 2024, 09:46:02 pm »
Jesus christ Barkley

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Re: The NFL Thread
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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72711 on: November 3, 2024, 09:56:48 pm »
That penalty was absolute horseshit on the Packers D-Line.
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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72712 on: November 3, 2024, 10:14:15 pm »
Love the weather in the Packers game...
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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72713 on: November 3, 2024, 10:17:03 pm »
Like the green uniform looks cool

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72714 on: November 3, 2024, 10:18:46 pm »
Like the green uniform looks cool

It does, although I preferred the classic green jersey/yellow pants from the Lombardi days...
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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72715 on: November 3, 2024, 10:25:17 pm »
Branch kicked out, right call?

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72716 on: November 3, 2024, 10:33:09 pm »
Branch kicked out, right call?

It was an obvious penalty but I'm not sure about the ejection

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72717 on: November 3, 2024, 10:34:27 pm »
It was an obvious penalty but I'm not sure about the ejection

Helmet to helmet, think that's automatic...
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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72718 on: November 3, 2024, 10:35:37 pm »
Helmet to helmet, think that's automatic...
for a penalty, yeah.

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Re: The NFL Thread
« Reply #72719 on: November 3, 2024, 10:44:08 pm »
Fucking hell that was bad from Love. Get Willis in 😬.

I’m biased obviously but thought it was the right decision to eject Branch, he had loads of time to do anything other than than lead with the helmet with force.
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