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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #200 on: February 4, 2007, 03:10:52 pm »
Well, i've had Vista Home Premium istalled for less than 48 hours, and I think I need to reinstall the enitre thing again, it wont boot.
Some things just dont change!

Did you upgrade or clean install?

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #201 on: February 4, 2007, 05:07:00 pm »
So you use an unreliable and buggy search tool as a file manager? Brilliant.

It is brilliant, no problems for me anyway

Haven't Microsoft tried to copy it with a similar thing in vista?

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #202 on: February 4, 2007, 06:45:17 pm »
Installed it on my laptop last week and on 6 PC's at work.  All hardware and software working fine, no crashes, nothing.

Rub it in why don't ya?  8)

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #203 on: February 4, 2007, 07:39:18 pm »
Haven't Microsoft tried to copy it with a similar thing in vista?

No idea. But given that instant search was in early Longhorn builds pre-2004 and Google Desktop search was available the best part of a year before the latest version of OSX, I'd hardly say it was an Apple innovation.

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #204 on: February 5, 2007, 03:53:15 pm »
Vista still running fine since I installed it (roughly when I started this thread.)

Haven't noticed any glitches or bugs and it is running smoothly. I do recommend you have 1GB of RAM though. In my case I'd upgrade but I plan to buy a whole new computer in 5 or 6 months anyway so what's the point.
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #205 on: February 5, 2007, 03:56:05 pm »
Apple invented everything mudface, we all know that.


Or, Apple users think they did because a) Apple said so and b) they have never used other OS's etc that already have the fucntionality in them
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #206 on: February 6, 2007, 09:36:47 am »
Been using Vista 'ultimate' for a couple of days, it seems alright. Not pushed it as I don't own any Pro applications for it. The constant confirmation boxes were a pain, I guess you can turn them off somewhere, although I suppose that defeats the object.

I used it to check site compatibility, IE7 seems better than IE6, not that it was are hard thing to achieve. Although the way the windows open and close looks nice, it makes it slow, again - I'm sure you can stop that silly animation.

All in all, same shit different skin. Slightly more usable though with flip 3d.
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #207 on: February 6, 2007, 09:38:05 am »
Apple users think they did because a) Apple said so and b) they have never used other OS's etc that already have the fucntionality in them

Well, there aren't that many about, are there.

Mac OS and Linux are the only ones I can think of. :D
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #208 on: February 6, 2007, 10:24:52 am »
Lookout was the original Email and file indexer for Windows I think, which was then bought by Microsoft and developed intio Windows desktop search.

I've been using it and its successors for, three or four years I think.
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #209 on: February 6, 2007, 10:49:57 am »
books have had indexs for centuries, steve jobs claims he invented indexing
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #210 on: February 6, 2007, 05:42:43 pm »
books have had indexs for centuries, steve jobs claims he invented indexing

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #211 on: February 7, 2007, 03:25:16 pm »
When is a personal firewall not truly a firewall? How about when it's made by Microsoft? Last week I listed how home users won't see all of the "new" security features available within Windows Vista, the new operating system from Microsoft. One of those "new" security features is the Windows Firewall, available in all editions of Windows Vista. The Windows Firewall is of course not new; it's already available in Windows XP SP2, but it works only one-way, that is, it only blocks malicious inbound connections. In Windows Vista, Microsoft says its new Windows Firewall is now two-way, that it adds outbound protection, but a closer look reveals that this is more deceptive marketing spin. With Windows Vista what you get turns out to be a half-cocked firewall that's hardly worth the upgrade.

What's what
Let's define terms. Within the new Windows Firewall with Advanced Security on Local Computer console, after clicking Continue on the trivial User Account Control dialog box, you will see that both inbound and outbound connections are now represented. Further, inbound and outbound connections are either allowed or blocked for three distinct profiles: Domain Policy (corporate networks), Private Profile (home networks), and Public Profile (Wi-Fi hot spots). Under each profile there are different icons followed by some legalese: For example, a "good" icon (a white check mark in a green circle) appears next to the sentence "Inbound connections that do not match a rule are blocked," and a "blocked" icon (the Not symbol in red) appears next to the sentence "Outbound connections that do not match a rule are allowed."

     In Windows Vista, Microsoft says its new Windows Firewall is now two-way, that it added outbound protection, but a closer look reveals that this is more deceptive marketing spin.

It's confusing, so let's break it apart further. Basically, if there's a rule, inbound connections from the Internet to your computer are blocked, which is what you want: protection from malware. Thus, the blocked icon here makes sense. But for outbound--that is, those connections starting within your computer and going out to the Internet-- connections are allowed except when excepted. Here Microsoft uses the good icon. This is not good.

Outbound protection is…where?
In an e-mail, Rowan Trollope, Vice President of Consumer Engineering at Symantec, offered this interpretation: "We have discovered that though Vista's outbound firewall is 'on' by default, all outbound connects that do not match a rule are allowed. In the default configuration, there are no outbound 'block' rules, only allow rules. In other words, even though [the Windows Firewall outbound protection is] on, it is not doing anything."

Microsoft shouldn't be surprised to see these comments about its firewall in print. I've been voicing my Windows Vista firewall concerns for more than a year, and before that, I was pestering the company about having only one-way firewall protection in Windows XP SP2.

  Home users of Windows Vista are again paying the price for having a stripped-down operating system designed for a corporate enterprise running on their PC.    

Microsoft's defense
Matt Parretta, a former spokesperson for Microsoft's PR agency, Waggener Edstrom, offered this defense: "If we turned on outbound filtering by default for consumers, it forces the user to make a trust decision for every application they run which touches the network. After they upgrade to Windows Vista or purchase a new PC with that OS, they will be prompted on the first launch of every application that touches the network: Instant Messaging, IE, e-mail, Windows Media, iTunes, every self-updating app such as Adobe, and so on. Unless they click 'allow', the app will be broken and won't function properly. The out of box experience would be poor, and they would soon be desensitized to the prompts."

This is, I think, a weak defense, at best, of a flawed security implementation, considering that every other personal firewall on the market today doesn't do what Microsoft described above. Check Point ZoneAlarm keeps a database of known applications, as does Symantec, which goes the extra step in its Norton Internet Security 2007 by turning off all firewall alerts. You'd think Microsoft would have this ability as well. And that's why I think there's more to the story.

What's really happening under the hood
Microsoft derives most of its software income from its operating system, and most of that money is from is its volume licenses, its enterprise customers. Office software (Word, Excel, Access) is designed to share with various servers, such as the Sharepoint Server. This means Microsoft Office applications open various ports to allow outbound communications. Microsoft contends that when using other personal firewalls, there can be issues.

Microsoft hates customer support issues. The company would rather ship its products with as many features enabled as possible. In this case, having the outbound firewall allow just about everything suits Microsoft's enterprise customers best--and to hell with the home user trying to protection his or her credit card information. Using the Windows Firewall allows the corporate IT folks to create group policy rules specific to the applications in their corporate culture. That's where the "except where excepted" part comes in.

The downside?
Writing exceptions is fine, except if you are a solo home user with no idea what to block or even how to block it. Home users of Windows Vista are again paying the price for having a stripped-down operating system designed for a corporate enterprise running on their PC. Unless you are an IT administrator, unless you know where to look, you're unlikely to tweak the advanced firewall settings. (Update: Even if you are technically inclined, writes ZDNet Executive Editor David Berlind, finding out how the rules actually work can be a real pain. See David's image gallery for more details). Having an open, outbound connection means that once malware gets on your machine, it can broadcast out your personal data or use your machine as a part of a larger botnet, if not just relay spam through your machine. Microsoft says that inbound firewalls will keep such malware off your computer as will changes to Internet Explorer 7, but we're already seeing vectors that have nothing to do with the Internet.

Just this week, the satellite navigation company TomTom revealed that some of its GPS units included computer viruses, and late last year, Apple admitted that some iPods shipped with viruses as well; the viruses don't harm the gadget directly, they wait until you sync them with your PC. And it's possible to pick up a virus (or rootkit) from a simple CD or DVD or a trade show USB drive. So I want firewall protection for what's both coming and going; I want a real firewall. My recommendation remains ZoneAlarm, but really, just about any Internet Security suite on the market will protect you better than Microsoft's will.

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #212 on: February 7, 2007, 03:50:18 pm »
When you install Vista does it wipe your files and that off you hard drive?  or does it just upgrade the OS.

i've had enough hassle having to put all my files on disk and formatting everything and losing files recently without having all my files deleted and having to install everything again   :no

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #213 on: February 7, 2007, 06:22:07 pm »
When you install Vista does it wipe your files and that off you hard drive?  or does it just upgrade the OS.

i've had enough hassle having to put all my files on disk and formatting everything and losing files recently without having all my files deleted and having to install everything again   :no

Everything is wiped out on the partition that you install the OS onto.
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #214 on: February 8, 2007, 12:42:08 am »
It's good practice to always put your data on another hard disk/partition. Always.
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #215 on: February 8, 2007, 01:29:08 am »
When you install Vista does it wipe your files and that off you hard drive?  or does it just upgrade the OS.

Everything is wiped out on the partition that you install the OS onto.

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #216 on: February 8, 2007, 12:10:02 pm »
em, you have the option to keep all your old files if you want,  it will put everything in a windows.old directory on your install drive

you can then sift through it at your leisure to keep what you want
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #217 on: February 8, 2007, 12:19:03 pm »
em, you have the option to keep all your old files if you want,  it will put everything in a windows.old directory on your install drive

you can then sift through it at your leisure to keep what you want

ie - all the porn.
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #218 on: February 8, 2007, 12:23:30 pm »
i have a 500gb porn drive for that
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #219 on: February 8, 2007, 12:26:43 pm »
When you install Vista does it wipe your files and that off you hard drive?  or does it just upgrade the OS.

i've had enough hassle having to put all my files on disk and formatting everything and losing files recently without having all my files deleted and having to install everything again   :no

You of course will have had no problem as you sensibly back up all your files at a minimum of once a month

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #220 on: February 8, 2007, 12:27:48 pm »
It's good practice to always put your data on another hard disk/partition. Always.

Is correct

All my files reside on two seperate drives from the one my OS is on

That way any reinstalls are a breeze.

Format harddrive and install.

Easy peasy.
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #221 on: February 8, 2007, 12:33:17 pm »
backing up is for lossers, live a little
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #222 on: February 8, 2007, 12:36:23 pm »
backing up is for lossers, live a little

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #223 on: February 8, 2007, 12:38:19 pm »
You of course will have had no problem as you sensibly back up all your files at a minimum of once a month



Good practice when using machines which go wrong so frequently.
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #224 on: February 8, 2007, 12:40:19 pm »
Good practice when using machines which go wrong so frequently.

That's macs for you.







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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #225 on: February 8, 2007, 12:44:26 pm »
Good practice when using machines which go wrong so frequently.

So you admit that Macs are guff.

Good. You ARE making progress :)
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #226 on: February 8, 2007, 12:45:40 pm »
so you dont backup your work on your mac then nidge?


i suspect you fib
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #227 on: February 8, 2007, 12:52:50 pm »
so you dont backup your work on your mac then nidge?


i suspect you fib

He's a little tinker alright.
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #228 on: February 8, 2007, 01:01:31 pm »
So has anyone got a decent 'maybe not too legit, but has a working OEM code' copy yet?

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #229 on: February 9, 2007, 07:17:32 pm »
Money Programme special on BBC2 now
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #230 on: February 9, 2007, 07:53:07 pm »
mine is OEM and its perfectly legal to have


you just wont be able to transfer it to another pc if you upgrade etc, but i dont plan on upgrading my overclockable pc for a few years so not bothered
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #231 on: February 9, 2007, 07:53:40 pm »
Money Programme special on BBC2 now

didnt bill gates lool super handsome
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #232 on: February 9, 2007, 08:03:32 pm »
He seems taller these days, more... powerful. Total dreamboat.

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #233 on: February 9, 2007, 08:05:44 pm »
its like he is all things to all people and just think he is giving up MS to work with the poor babies
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #234 on: February 9, 2007, 08:12:57 pm »
Can you still buy OEM versions of Windows with a five quid keyboard and mouse?

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #235 on: February 9, 2007, 08:20:32 pm »
even better ben, you can buy them with a 30p ide cable :)
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #236 on: February 9, 2007, 08:20:42 pm »
Probably down Hull market you can, Taiwanese versions of Windows 95 beta.

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #237 on: February 9, 2007, 08:23:28 pm »
mine came with no hardware, should i ring bill
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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #238 on: February 9, 2007, 08:25:20 pm »
I'd ring him anyway, his voice makes my loins tingle.

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Re: Windows Vista released!
« Reply #239 on: February 9, 2007, 08:33:47 pm »
Can you still buy OEM versions of Windows with a five quid keyboard and mouse?

Quite a few major retailers just sell them out on their own now.  Aria and Overclockers to name a couple.