Topic: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here

[Colin]

Blade, answer me - what was wrong with my maths?  Or did you realise you were wrong after acting the jackass?  If so at least have the decency to man up.

[rusty-la]

ANOTHER new poster who is encouraging the sacking of Kenny. Agenda?

BTW, you contradicted yourself in your comment.

As for not challenging under 'Kenny's realm'...the only way tp find out is by giving him TIME.

Yes I read that and had a little chuckle..

[Mutton Geoff]

Its not a case of that mate.

Some people just seem to sit in wait for those who dare say anything remotely bad about Kenny and then jump on them and accuse them of being fickle or mancs or whatever. At the end of the day we are all just fellow reds who are pissed off and who have different ideas on where its going wrong. Its that blind faith thing that does my head in cos we wont move forward with red tinted specs on. No offence intended though.

Bloody hell he has all the script Blind faith, rose tinted spectacles, never called him a manc is that freudian ?

[El Ivy]

So Kenny Dalglish, in your opinion, can't take us forward.

With specs on or off do you think a team, when it's lazy, should take more or less accountablity?. Lets take a look also at our first half season draws. Were LFC so dire that they didn't dominate or deserve to win? I can only think of a few games this season where mentally we were shit and the brain farts caused an issue.

If Kenny was that shit, do you really think he was just lucky to go back to the Etihad where a 3-0 victory to Man City occured a few weeks before and win? And then lock them down in their own back yard to the point where their multimillions couldn't unlock shit?

Lest we forget what that lacking in game intelligence Kenny Dalglish did to them back at Anfield.

The poor performances are not consistent. If they were then, and only then, would we have a problem. Again, and still waiting for Colin the undecided supporter or other options aligned to Arsenal/Chelsea fans to respond too, the aspect of not beating or not turning over the lesser teams/newly promoted has been their for years.

Oh and it was fucking pre rafa/ged/evans too.

You could say that every shit team in history should blame themselves and not the manager then. What is it now 13 points off the top four? I'm not saying sack Kenny but at least have the guts to say that this has been consistently shit in the league.

[Harinder]

Respond to what? 

My views are pretty clear.

Are they fuck. Still waiting

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=269294.msg10087058#msg10087058

[El Ivy]

Bloody hell he has all the script Blind faith, rose tinted spectacles, never called him a manc is that freudian ?

Whats up with you? Are you always this upset?

[Harinder]

You could say that every shit team in history should blame themselves and not the manager then. What is it now 13 points off the top? I'm not saying sack Kenny but at least have the guts to say that this has been consistently shit in the league.

What or whom has been consistently shit in the league? Be clear

Bar 2/3 matches have we been the ones most likely to win those draws?

[Colin]

But it's YOUR truth

Lets look at the thread we are in "The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here"

There are many who would say he's lost it, he's not with it anymore, he can't beat those around him and he can't do this/that/the other

Let's look at what he's done. Told a media that you are pandering to, quite literaly with the Telegraph article, to fuck off. He knocked out Man City and Man Utd in cup competitions in the same month. He gave us silverware after a pronlonged drought.

He galvanised us when we were low. When the world expected us to get thumped by El Ninny's Chelsea we didn't.

What hasn't he done? Removed that same TEAM mentality that means we sometimes don't do as well against the considered lower teams or newly promoted teams. As the catalogue of streams you watch will tell you that's been there for some time so it's removal is not instantaneous. Ged realised this, as did Rafa... now how about you?

IF, and I don't think it's a big if, you can't then it's ok. It truly is ok. You see this is because nearly 35-40k odd people in a stadium (leaving out the travelling fans) kind of get this. They don't like our teams mentality at times, senior players included. Those who go on the aways, circa 3-5k, also get this. We rant, rave and go a bit loony but fully understand we aren't Chelsea kneejerkers or Arsenals anti Arsene wankers.

So... are you kneejerker or wanker? If neither then there is a beloved option of becoming a supporter. Not a shitbag "fan" who's got possibly footystreamsrus.com on one side and twatball365 on the other

Make your choice wisely Colin

I usually find that articulate and elaborate posts are used on here to distort and hide cold hard facts.

This post is certainly no exception.

So im either a "wanker" or a "kneejerker"?  Maybe the problem is a bit closer to home.

The correct opinion isn't always the most desirable. 

[BobbyDavro]

I hate boo'ing. Hate it, and have nearly had fights over it.
But that boo'ing after the west ham game were because the fans knew we were blowing our chance of the title with draws when we should have cut loose and mullered teams.
Those boos were prophetic.

[Mutton Geoff]

Good supporters are the ones who will stop supporting the club if decisions are made which they disagree with?

Let's me out then still supported the club with Hodgson in charge still wanted us to win even though I hated the fucker and the way he was foisted on us, problem the reverse some of these Kenny out idiots are in the after match thread faster than shit off a shovel are they good fans then!

[buses_g]

ANOTHER new poster who is encouraging the sacking of Kenny. Agenda?

BTW, you contradicted yourself in your comment.

As for not challenging under 'Kenny's realm'...the only way tp find out is by giving him TIME.

what bollocks, I said that sacking kenny would be the wrong decision. and I think giving time is important but
there needs to be some positive signs in a season where a 100m has been spent.
I know you going to throw back, 'where were you when we won the CC', but these days it's all about CL like it or not.
football clubs need to be playing at the top level to be securing the best players.

[kennedy81]

Blade, answer me - what was wrong with my maths?  Or did you realise you were wrong after acting the jackass?  If so at least have the decency to man up.

Colin, just out of interest...

given our wage structure, our stadium takings, merchandise revenue etc etc.
where would you say is an acceptable position for us to finish in the league?

it's not a loaded question or anything, I'm just curious.

[El Ivy]

What or whom has been consistently shit in the league? Be clear

Bar 2/3 matches have we been the ones most likely to win those draws?

What is it with you and clarity? How clear is this. Our league form this season has been shit. For that I place the blame with Kenny, the players and us as the fans for a poor show in the stands. Our away support have been fantastic as usual though.

I don't want LFC to sack Kenny. I hope he gets it right. But my honest opinion is that he is not the man. Thats my opinion and I think I've explained why.

[Harinder]

I usually find that articulate and elaborate posts are used on here to distort and hide cold hard facts.

This post is certainly no exception.

So im either a "wanker" or a "kneejerker"?  Maybe the problem is a bit closer to home.

The correct opinion isn't always the most desirable.

What isn't the truth?

I gave 3 options. Why did you only pick 2 for yourself?

For the record please explain what is distorted in what I've stated? Is any of it a lie? A falsehood concocted in the internet?

There are many articulate and possibly elaborate posts on RAWK. A lot of them are blinders. Yours just seem to be blind to support from all that you state.

I mean you didn't even reply to the 90% thing properly.

Now that's just mean

[Harinder]

What is it with you and clarity? How clear is this. Our league form this season has been shit. For that I place the blame with Kenny, the players and us as the fans for a poor show in the stands. Our away support have been fantastic as usual though.

I don't want LFC to sack Kenny. I hope he gets it right. But my honest opinion is that he is not the man. Thats my opinion and I think I've explained why.

Clarity is good for the soul. It also prevents taking things the wrong way.

I mean I could always just say lie but then where's the truth in that?

When we played shit at Bolton away could you honestly blame Kenny? I blame a team that doesn't try.

For all the years you've been a fan have you ever known Kenny Dalglish to take mediocrity from any of his players lying down?

[Red Cez]

Let's me out then still supported the club with Hodgson in charge still wanted us to win even though I hated the fucker and the way he was foisted on us, problem the reverse some of these Kenny out idiots are in the after match thread faster than shit off a shovel are they good fans then!

Still not answering the question.

You said that these 'supporters' are 'decent young lads who still know what matters in this club' because they claimed they would stop supporting the club were the club to appoint Maureen. Is this really what you believe? A simple yes or no will suffice.

[AJ4Seven]

I hate boo'ing. Hate it, and have nearly had fights over it.
But that boo'ing after the west ham game were because the fans knew we were blowing our chance of the title with draws when we should have cut loose and mullered teams.
Those boos were prophetic.

Or they were a self-fulfilling prophecy, I mean is it really a surprise thta we have such a poor record at home this season(not blaming it on the fans, but players must sense the unease in the air when we aren't winning?

[El Ivy]

Clarity is good for the soul. It also prevents taking things the wrong way.

I mean I could always just say lie but then where's the truth in that?

When we played shit at Bolton away could you honestly blame Kenny? I blame a team that doesn't try.

For all the years you've been a fan have you ever known Kenny Dalglish to take mediocrity from any of his players lying down?

I blame everyone mate.

The advert was on Sky Sports before for the Newcastle game on Sunday. The voice over fella said "Newcastle, still with an opportunity to finish fourth" He didn't mention us cos we are so far back. Little things like that hit home.

Why has pardew got Newcastle in such a better league position than us having spent so much less money?

Thats why this team in progress crap doesn't wash with me. Our league position is not good enough.

[Colin]

Colin, just out of interest...

given our wage structure, our stadium takings, merchandise revenue etc etc.
where would you say is an acceptable position for us to finish in the league?

it's not a loaded question or anything, I'm just curious.

Our DNA isn't that different than Arsenal's.  In fact we have consistently outspent them, haven't we?

I think 3-4th would be fair.  A well run LFC would be consistently around there without a shadow of a doubt mate.  The odd season maybe 5th but a good season - 1st or 2nd, under a good, well backed, manager.

I think that's fair, yeah? 

[Mutton Geoff]

Still not answering the question.

You said that these 'supporters' are 'decent young lads who still know what matters in this club' because they claimed they would stop supporting the club were the club to appoint Maureen. Is this really what you believe? A simple yes or no will suffice.

I believe if they feel that strongly about the guy fair enough at least they are honest to themselves, because the club if they appointed him would be showing their fans no respect given his history with us! Now you like questions would you support any manager no matter how wrong he is for this clubs history and traditions  or an insult to shanks memory if it guaranteed one season in the CL?

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

As I have already said, I think that we have spent relatively wisely. Downing is still a good signing, even though his price was excessive. Adam was not such a poor signing considering the price, even though I think that he was an unnecessary signing. I agree that Carroll and Henderson were high stake gambles, but you can't hit the jack-pot if you don't gamble.

Now, can I ask you a question: When did the most knowledgeable supporters in the world become so impatient and hasty?

Don't see how you can refer to signing 20 something year old footballers for excessive amounts as a high stake gamble especially for a club in our position. IMO it was irresponsible and we should have done better, don't get me wrong I feel Henderson will become a good player I am not as convinced with Carroll but I hope it works out because it can only be good for the club.

I am not impatient in anyway I was hoping we would qualify from the CL or at least be in the running and grow from strength to strength but it hasn't happened and we have to try again. My point is we cannot keep paying these high sums of money for potential without addressing our current problems.

[AJ4Seven]

I think 3-4th would be fair.  A well run LFC would be consistently around there without a shadow of a doubt mate.  The odd season maybe 5th but a good season - 1st or 2nd, under a good, well backed, manager.

I think that's fair, yeah?

Our current owners have been in charge for less than 2 years, & there is still work to be done. The impatience shown by people such as yourself only hinder us, it does not help in the slightest.

[Mutton Geoff]

Our DNA isn't that different than Arsenal's.  In fact we have consistently outspent them, haven't we?

I think 3-4th would be fair.  A well run LFC would be consistently around there without a shadow of a doubt mate.  The odd season maybe 5th but a good season - 1st or 2nd, under a good, well backed, manager.

I think that's fair, yeah? 

Are but Colin our DNA is nothing like Arsenal they have a nice new stadium more revenue they have nice houses on highbury more revenue, they lost one top player we had 3 sold from under us and bought older rubbish by hodgson and they have won zilch for over 6 years!
Have another go try spurs now!

[Harinder]

In all fairness Newcastle have had some cracking games. And luck. Where we drew against smaller teams they won. They've taken a fair few spankings too.

We didn't get that luck. We made the opportunities but then just plain didn't get the luck where a ball instead of hitting a post actually goes in.

And that much we all know needs fixing.

now. I ask again have you ever, as a fan of this club, known Kenny Dalglish to take mediocrity from any of his players lying down.

[kennedy81]

Our DNA isn't that different than Arsenal's.  In fact we have consistently outspent them, haven't we?

I think 3-4th would be fair.  A well run LFC would be consistently around there without a shadow of a doubt mate.  The odd season maybe 5th but a good season - 1st or 2nd, under a good, well backed, manager.

I think that's fair, yeah? 

fair enough.
I think Arsenal's success has largely been down to an outstanding manager rather than their spending power.
I think 3rd or 4th for us right now would be an amazing achievement (as in our 2nd in '09), rather than a given though.
I'd say 5th or 6th for us would be about right.
maybe I have low expectations.

[kennedy81]

Are but Colin our DNA is nothing like Arsenal they have a nice new stadium more revenue they have nice houses on highbury more revenue, they lost one top player we had 3 sold from under us and bought older rubbish by hodgson and they have won zilch for over 6 years!
Have another go try spurs now!

Spurs are an interesting one in fairness.
It's hard to say how long they'll keep it up.
the way they're going at the moment, they could be looking at 5th.

[Harinder]

Our DNA isn't that different than Arsenal's.  In fact we have consistently outspent them, haven't we?

I think 3-4th would be fair.  A well run LFC would be consistently around there without a shadow of a doubt mate.  The odd season maybe 5th but a good season - 1st or 2nd, under a good, well backed, manager.

I think that's fair, yeah?

How did you come to that conclusion regarding Arsenal?

DNA wise they started in Woolwich but now are the pride of North London?

[Colin]

Harinder, here i go:

But it's YOUR truth

Lets look at the thread we are in "The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here"

There are many who would say he's lost it, he's not with it anymore, he can't beat those around him and he can't do this/that/the other

One doesn't have to think he's went senile to have their concerns about whether he mightn't be the man for the job to take us back into the top 4 and the top 2 , top spot, thereafter.  It's a fucking massive job - as you well know. 

Let's look at what he's done. Told a media that you are pandering to, quite literaly with the Telegraph article, to fuck off. He knocked out Man City and Man Utd in cup competitions in the same month. He gave us silverware after a pronlonged drought.

Damn right he can put the media in its place when necessary.  We all love Kenny, he's Mr.Liverpool.

The silverwear is great, but it is there Carling Cup and there is alot more going on than that (obviously).  It's a start.

He galvanised us when we were low.

Last season, he did.  Immensely. 

This season, without considering last season, we've been poor, very poor for large portions.   Hodgson poor, with a Carling Cup thrown in to soften our otherwise dire league form.  I'm grateful for small mercys, of course.

 When the world expected us to get thumped by El Ninny's Chelsea we didn't.

True for sure.  Chelsea have been awful themselves at times though.

What hasn't he done? Removed that same TEAM mentality that means we sometimes don't do as well against the considered lower teams or newly promoted teams. As the catalogue of streams you watch will tell you that's been there for some time so it's removal is not instantaneous. Ged realised this, as did Rafa... now how about you?

Not sure where you're going with this?  You could use this to justify every footballing failure if you wished.

We've been shit against most teams and currently have a losing run unlike any winning run we've had all season.  THat's just how it is.

Instead of progressing over the course of the season we've got worse.  Teams love playing us right now.  Our expensive average players have been sorely exposed and have showed tragic little flair or ability.  Where is the magic?  Outside of Suarez and Gerrard, it's hard to find much flair in an expensive emsemblement of a team.

IF, and I don't think it's a big if, you can't then it's ok. It truly is ok. You see this is because nearly 35-40k odd people in a stadium (leaving out the travelling fans) kind of get this. They don't like our teams mentality at times, senior players included. Those who go on the aways, circa 3-5k, also get this. We rant, rave and go a bit loony but fully understand we aren't Chelsea kneejerkers or Arsenals anti Arsene wankers.

So... are you kneejerker or wanker? If neither then there is a beloved option of becoming a supporter. Not a shitbag "fan" who's got possibly footystreamsrus.com on one side and twatball365 on the other

Make your choice wisely Colin

Still haven't made any sense of this last quote.

Outside of the hardcore Kop , many supporters, even the most die hard fans are deeply concerned about the stat of the club on the pitch.  When i was over 7 weeks ago i got a solid feeling of that concern.  No doubt it's got alot worse since.  So i reject your implication that im a kneejerker (lol, seriously??) or a wanker.  I'm an honest fan who doesn't like what he sees and can honestly say i think we're going in a questionable direction this season HENCE the need for redirection in the summer.  My mind is open as to whether that'll be Kenny taking charge or not.

[Red Cez]

Now you like questions would you support any manager no matter how wrong he is for this clubs history and traditions  or an insult to shanks memory if it guaranteed one season in the CL?

Don't remember making any statement about my feelings on managers, CL or our history and traditions on here recently so the question has no relevance to this conversation.

You must think you're either really smart or I'm incredibly stupid if you think I'm gonna play along and help you construct your bullshit straw man argument. Jog on pal, you're mistaken either way.

I asked the question, you answered that you believe it is correct to support or withdraw your support for the club based on whether or not you agree with decisions made at boardroom level. That is the end of this particular discussion between me and you.

[Colin]

How did you come to that conclusion regarding Arsenal?

DNA wise they started in Woolwich but now are the pride of North London?

I simply mean in recent times.  I should have qualified that comment, sorry.

Similar clout IMO. 

Arsenal have went and made a new stadium and we haven't.  But we now have good owners which is why i want to see us start to correcting all the things that Tom and Jerry fucked up.  That includes on the pitch.

[kennedy81]

our whole stadium situation is serious fuck up which needs to be sorted pronto.

[Colin]

Our current owners have been in charge for less than 2 years, & there is still work to be done. The impatience shown by people such as yourself only hinder us, it does not help in the slightest.

Yes, that's true.

I feel that even FSG have noticed this and this is why they want to back Kenny and have done.

Henry wanted us to come in the top 4 for obvious reasons.  We spent accordingly and we're missed out by a mile.  This is where my concern lies.  Not sure how this is impatience.  FSG will be equally unimpressed with our league form.  Anyone that isn't really isn't tuned in.

[HariLFC]

The Stadium is the elephant in the room (just a bit bigger than Andy's) and the sooner we make a concrete decision on it, the better.

[Colin]

Don't remember making any statement about my feelings on managers, CL or our history and traditions on here recently so the question has no relevance to this conversation.

You must think you're either really smart or I'm incredibly stupid if you think I'm gonna play along and help you construct your bullshit straw man argument. Jog on pal, you're mistaken either way.

I asked the question, you answered that you believe it is correct to support or withdraw your support for the club based on whether or not you agree with decisions made at boardroom level. That is the end of this particular discussion between me and you.

A few posters have tried to corner me into "saying" something i clearly didn't say too.

It's a bit sad, really.


I think it originates from some sort of mistaken belief that if you outwardly question things you must be either:

- A Manc WUM  (i've been called it few times)
- A Kenny hater
- Kneejerker
- Wanker
- Any combination of the above.

As opposed to seeing things ex-footballers, pundits, other highly intelligent fans and managers also see.  Imagine.

[Mutton Geoff]

Don't remember making any statement about my feelings on managers, CL or our history and traditions on here recently so the question has no relevance to this conversation.

You must think you're either really smart or I'm incredibly stupid if you think I'm gonna play along and help you construct your bullshit straw man argument. Jog on pal, you're mistaken either way.

I asked the question, you answered that you believe it is correct to support or withdraw your support for the club based on whether or not you agree with decisions made at boardroom level. That is the end of this particular discussion between me and you.

So if we take away the BS you can't answer questions only ask them, the question was valid they wouldn't want Jose if you guaranteed just one year in the CL  because they have principles of what is right at this club,  would you have him here or not!
If you don't like hard questions don't ask them of others and then wimp out at least I had the respect to answer yours!

[kennedy81]

Instead of progressing over the course of the season we've got worse.  Teams love playing us right now.  Our expensive average players have been sorely exposed and have showed tragic little flair or ability.  Where is the magic?  Outside of Suarez and Gerrard, it's hard to find much flair in an expensive emsemblement of a team.

you've got to admit though, that those players have been under performing, rather than just being bad players.
with a bit of a run and some confidence, surely they will improve.
look at Arsenal, they were dead and buried only a few weeks back,
a massive win against Spurs and a last minute win against us after being battered for much of the game...
now they're playing like men possessed.

[blert596]

This season, without considering last season, we've been poor, very poor for large portions.   Hodgson poor, with a Carling Cup thrown in to soften our otherwise dire league form.  I'm grateful for small mercys, of course.

I'm sorry mate but I'm not havin this.

We have had a poor chance conversion rate this season. Which means that we have had a lot of poor results.

However, to say that we have been poor is just not true. Apart from 3 games this season (Spurs where we ended up with 9, Bolton where we started with one, and Wigan where we played with 11 for a few periods of the game, none for the rest), our performances have been genuinely decent to watch. Performances that (if we had managed to convert 50% of our chances) most people, including the press, would be raving about.

Sure, due to our lack of goals our performances havent got us the points those performances deserve. But to compare the level of football we've "mostly" played this season to the dregs that Hodgson served up is a complete misinterpretation of whats been going on this season. And its one that seems to be gathering pace around here.

[AJ4Seven]

Yes, that's true.

I feel that even FSG have noticed this and this is why they want to back Kenny and have done.

Henry wanted us to come in the top 4 for obvious reasons.  We spent accordingly and we're missed out by a mile.  This is where my concern lies.  Not sure how this is impatience.  FSG will be equally unimpressed with our league form.  Anyone that isn't really isn't tuned in.

One year of spending with a new manager after a couple of years of underinvestment & insane transfer decisions, & you expect to be in the top 4 & you don't think that is impatient?

I don't think anyone is impressed with our results in the league, but anyone who was expecting a quick fix was naive.

[vitch]

Are but Colin our DNA is nothing like Arsenal they have a nice new stadium more revenue they have nice houses on highbury more revenue, they lost one top player we had 3 sold from under us and bought older rubbish by hodgson and they have won zilch for over 6 years!
Have another go try spurs now!

We have more merchandising revenue than Arsenal which makes up their advantage in matchday revenues. The only major difference between us over the last few years has been access to the Champions League broadcating revenues. Otherwise, inherently the two clubs have similar revenue bases.

And if I recall this very past summer Arsenal lost both Nasri AND Fabregas, so that trumps whatever loss of top players that may have occured here in that same period of time. The main difference is that we went and made arses of ourselves in the transfer market.

[Hinesy]

fuckin hell. Back on topic please. This is about Kenny's conferences and INTERVIEWS HERE, not blah blah you said this and you said that.