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« Reply #120 on: September 21, 2005, 09:48:59 pm »
We do, but there are only 4 Tornado F3s based there IIRC, and of course it would be no use if the islands were to be captured again.

There is to be a major NATO offensive in Afghanistan next year (been in most of the papers recently, it's no secret), with Britain taking a leading role as the current head nation of the ARRC (Allied Rapid Reaction Corps). However, whether we will actually have any troops left to send with Iraq still going on (we were relying on scaling down there to provide soldiers for Afghanistan) is another question. We can do without the four infantry battalions that are being closed down though  ::)

Yeah but normal troops will struggle in the terrain in Afghanistan anyway. Special forces will probably do reconnaissance, while the RAF do the business maybe?
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« Reply #121 on: September 21, 2005, 09:52:56 pm »
Yeah but normal troops will struggle in the terrain in Afghanistan anyway. Special forces will probably do reconnaissance

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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #122 on: September 21, 2005, 09:54:51 pm »
Yeah but normal troops will struggle in the terrain in Afghanistan anyway. Special forces will probably do reconnaissance, while the RAF do the business maybe?

They're talking about sending either 16 Air Assault or 3 Commando Brigade, so it will be light infantry soldiers rather than the armoured troops (that would struggle in the mountains). Whether the guys with the black stripes over their eyes will get involved, I have no idea.

edit - to keep it on an aircraft theme - I believe the deployment will see the first operational use of the Army's new toy

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« Reply #123 on: September 21, 2005, 09:57:54 pm »
Like the one's on GTA!!
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« Reply #124 on: September 21, 2005, 09:58:24 pm »
Finally got enough Pilots trained have they?

The AAC had to put them in mothballs for a year or so... ::)
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« Reply #125 on: September 21, 2005, 10:00:00 pm »
Would I also be correct in that the new helicopter for the American president is the Sea King or the Merlin or the Lynx, can't remember.
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« Reply #126 on: September 21, 2005, 10:01:07 pm »
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« Reply #127 on: September 21, 2005, 10:03:59 pm »
I don't understand

We are mountain warfare specialists so we'll be the one of the main units out there in that terrain....
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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #128 on: September 21, 2005, 10:04:30 pm »
I don't understand

Saltynuts is a Royal Marine Commando
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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #129 on: September 21, 2005, 10:05:02 pm »
Would I also be correct in that the new helicopter for the American president is the Sea King or the Merlin or the Lynx, can't remember.

It won't be the Merlin or the Lynx, they're British and the Yanks are unlikely to buy them over American designs. They did use the Sea King for a while, no idea if they still do or not
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« Reply #130 on: September 21, 2005, 10:06:17 pm »
Saltynuts is a Royal Marine Commando

Interesting.
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« Reply #131 on: September 21, 2005, 10:08:43 pm »
Do you live next to a base BIGdavalad, which one?
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« Reply #132 on: September 21, 2005, 10:09:44 pm »
I also find myself strangely attratced to this:

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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #133 on: September 21, 2005, 10:12:05 pm »
Now that's just taking the piss.  Surely there is a better way to beat the M25 traffic? :P
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« Reply #134 on: September 21, 2005, 10:12:18 pm »
Do you live next to a base BIGdavalad, which one?

I live on one mate, I'm in the Army  :wave
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« Reply #135 on: September 21, 2005, 10:13:07 pm »
I also find myself strangely attratced to this:



They're wonderful those helicopters. Suprised nobody mentioned one before.
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« Reply #136 on: September 21, 2005, 10:13:46 pm »
I live on one mate, I'm in the Army  :wave

I mean an RAF base, which oneanyway?
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« Reply #137 on: September 21, 2005, 10:14:54 pm »
I mean an RAF base, which oneanyway?

No idea where the nearest RAF camp is from where I am at the minute. I did live very close to one at my last place. At the minute I'm in Blandford, in Dorset.
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« Reply #138 on: September 21, 2005, 10:15:51 pm »
Ah ok.
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« Reply #139 on: September 21, 2005, 10:18:01 pm »
Surely the best training aircraft ever?
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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #140 on: September 21, 2005, 10:27:35 pm »
I also find myself strangely attratced to this:



quality piece of kit. love it when they fly over my house (which is suprisingly quite often)

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« Reply #141 on: September 21, 2005, 10:41:00 pm »
I also find myself strangely attratced to this:

Ahhhhh, wokka-wokkas  :D Lovely bits of kit.
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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #142 on: September 21, 2005, 10:48:02 pm »
Ahhhhh, wokka-wokkas  :D Lovely bits of kit.

Are they called wokka-wokkas because of the sound they make or am i talking absolute bull plop? as i remember being told some thing along those lines just can't remember what tho just the name wokka-wokka springs to mind thats all  :P

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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #143 on: September 21, 2005, 10:48:16 pm »
chinooks are fucking great, trusty old ladies. from vietnam to iraq, and they will be around for a long time to come.

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« Reply #144 on: September 21, 2005, 10:50:15 pm »
Are they called wokka-wokkas because of the sound they make or am i talking absolute bull plop? as i remember being told some thing along those lines just can't remember what tho just the name wokka-wokka springs to mind thats all  :P

Yes, the two rotors make a sound like "wokka wokka" when they fly over you.
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« Reply #145 on: September 21, 2005, 10:56:43 pm »
Yes, the two rotors make a sound like "wokka wokka" when they fly over you.
Ye thought it was them used to see them flying around my college occasionally along with a few other bits of kit think there was a few chinooks as well once seen a lot of helicopters flying in formation as well

used to get the fighter jets flying in formation over my house would here them coming over the roof and belt it out side to watch them fly over, were i work now ever two weeks or so theres a jet that flays past regular as clock work as well can't remember what it is tho. fascinated by stuff like this amazing :)

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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #146 on: September 21, 2005, 10:58:22 pm »
anyone got a picture of the aurora
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« Reply #147 on: September 21, 2005, 10:58:36 pm »
 ;D

Had one hovering over my head after piling out the back of one in Jordan, the down draft nearly puts you in the ground....like tom and jerry when a tree falls on toms nut...

Fuckin beasts are Chinooks..... 8)
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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #148 on: September 21, 2005, 11:00:12 pm »
It won't be the Merlin or the Lynx, they're British and the Yanks are unlikely to buy them over American designs. They did use the Sea King for a while, no idea if they still do or not
this explains a fair bit about it. I knew Marine 1 is like Airforce 1, it applies to any aircraft President is on. (make it easy for Dubya to remember anyway!)

Air Force One is the call sign for any fixed-wing aircraft that the President of the United States may happen to be in at any given time. Should the aircraft happen to be a rotary-wing aircraft, it is referred to as 'Marine One'.

There have been, over time, many different helicopters used for the President's transport. These include the Bell UH-1 Huey, the Sikorsky CH-3 Sea King, The Sikorsky CH-34C Choctaw, The Boeing CH-46 Sea Knight, The Bell 47-J Sioux, and Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk. Aircraft alphanumerical designations are typically modified to 'VH' from 'CH' to reflect the VIP role of the aircraft.

All of the presidential rotary aircraft are flown by pilots of HMX-1, a marine squadron dedicated to presidential support. Marine Helicopter Experimental Squadron (HMX-1) was established at MCAS Quantico on December 1st, 1947, Colonel Edward C. Dyer commanding. Its mission was to develop techniques and tactics for the various uses of helicopters in amphibious operations. Ten years later HMX-1 becomes the Helicopter Squadron for the personal transportation needs of the President of the United States.

In 1957, President Ike Eisenhower began asking about the use of rotary aviation as a means of presidential transportation. Because of a difference of opinion between the Air Force and the Navy, President Eisenhower decided to leave the decision with the Secret Service. They concluded that helicopter travel would be as safe a method of transportation as the traditional wheeled motorcade, and The Air Force was instructed to purchase two Bell UH-13-J helicopters for use by the President. The White house also contacted Sikorsky to design a helicopter for the President's personal use.

On July 12, 1957 President Eisenhower flew from to Camp David aboard one of the Bell UH-13-J helicopters and became the first Chief Executive to travel via helicopter. This was the start of almost weekly flights to either Camp David or to Ike's Gettysburg farm. Flights to the farm first flew to Camp David, where a strobe light placed in top of the barn at Gettysburg guided the copters to the farm.

The Bell UH-13-J is the military designation for the Bell 47-J "Sioux". First manufactured in 1945, the Sioux carried two passengers, had a cruising speed of 90 mph and a range of 250 miles.

After their White house assignment, the two UH-13-J were used to transport high-ranking Department of Defense personnel. In July 1967 both were transferred to the Smithsonian. The craft that President Eisenhower used to make the first helicopter flight is at the Paul E. Garber facility. The other Bell UH-13-J is on loan to the Air Force Museum Dayton, Ohio.

On January 1, 1958, the US Army Executive Flight Detachment, Davison US Army Air Field, Fort Belvoir, VA was activated. They, along with the Marine Helicopter Squadron One (HMX-1) US Marine Corps Air Station Quantico, Virginia, were given the primary mission of the emergency evacuation of the President, his family and other key government officials. After satisfying this mission these units furnished helicopter transportation for the President and others.

In January 1958 both the Executive Flight Detachment and HMX-1 were using the Sikorsky CH-34-C as their primary helicopter. First manufactured in 1958 the CH-34-Chocktaw is the Military transport version of the Sikorsky S-58. The CH-34-C has a crew of two and can carry twelve passengers. A cruise speed of 95 mph and a range of 270 miles.

In 1963 Sikorsky CH-3 helicopters joined the H-34's at HMX-1 and the Executive Flight Detachment. The CH-3 is a modification of Sikorsky's S-61 design. First developed for the Navy as the SH-3 "Sea King". The first flight of the CH-3 was on June 17, 1963. The CH-3 can carry 25 fully equipped troops, but is best known for use in rescue missions in Vietnam where it gained its nickname the "Jolly Green Giant". The CH-3 has a cruising speed of 150 mph with a range of 465 miles.

In the 1970's the Sikorsky H-34-Cs were replaced with Bell UH-1-N. Developed primary as a Medevac helicopter. The medical service had much to do with the original design and the UH-1's width was an exact fit for Army litters. By 1970 a larger version of the UH-1-D would carry 11 passengers. had a cruising speed of 115 mph, had twin engines and was capable of cruising on one - the UH-1-N. (Lesser dignitaries were transported in the single-engine UH-1-D)

The Executive Flight Detachment was disbanded in 1973, and HMX-1 took over all helicopter operations for the White House.

A Modified VH-60N is the primary helicopter flying as Marine One today. First manufactured in 1974, the VH-60N is a variant of the Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk. The VH-60N has a crew of three, a cruise speed of 150 mph and a range of 580 miles.



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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #149 on: September 21, 2005, 11:00:28 pm »
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« Reply #150 on: September 21, 2005, 11:02:54 pm »
anyone got a picture of the aurora
is this it?

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« Reply #151 on: September 21, 2005, 11:03:16 pm »
Another one of my personal favourite choppers...

AH-60 Blackhawk:

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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #152 on: September 21, 2005, 11:06:28 pm »


The first helicopter in the world with an ejection seat (apart from the Irish Air Corps, obviously  :P), the Ka-28 Havoc
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« Reply #153 on: September 21, 2005, 11:07:07 pm »


and here it is in action:


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« Reply #154 on: September 21, 2005, 11:07:12 pm »
"You have to admire animals. Hamster spun round in a wheel three times bigger than him and abruptly lands on his back. Then just gets up and carries on as if nothing happened! If that was a human he'd be helicoptered to hospital, off work for 6 months have back issues for 20 years and then start legal proceedings against the wheels owner"

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« Reply #155 on: September 21, 2005, 11:09:56 pm »


The first helicopter in the world with an ejection seat (apart from the Irish Air Corps, obviously  :P), the Ka-28 Havoc

chopper  with an ejection seat ???

or is this a wooooooooossshhhhh moment
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« Reply #156 on: September 21, 2005, 11:11:34 pm »
When you pull the red cord you do go wooooosssshhhhh yes.....
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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #157 on: September 21, 2005, 11:14:15 pm »
;D

Had one hovering over my head after piling out the back of one in Jordan, the down draft nearly puts you in the ground....like tom and jerry when a tree falls on toms nut...

Fuckin beasts are Chinooks..... 8)

 ;D ye looks mad that when ya see all the troops come pilling out the back bet you get a right rush.

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« Reply #158 on: September 21, 2005, 11:16:23 pm »
?



fukin hell!!! looks like somethin out of independence day!!!

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Re: Favourite Aircraft
« Reply #159 on: September 21, 2005, 11:17:14 pm »


The first helicopter in the world with an ejection seat (apart from the Irish Air Corps, obviously  :P), the Ka-28 Havoc

Forget it
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