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[DangerScouse]

You're obviously making it up mate. The countless videos and pictures of people clearly ignoring social distancing protocols are all a complete fabrication.

[El Denzel Pepito]

207 recorded deaths in hospitals in England in the last 24 hours.

Obviously, yesterday being a bank holiday and today a Saturday means that figure is very low down. We've been between 320 and 400 for the last 7 (working) days.

[Welshred]

You're obviously making it up mate. The countless videos and pictures of people clearly ignoring social distancing protocols are all a complete fabrication.

So you've seen all the videos from every single street party that happened yesterday then? I'll concede though. The handful of parties that have videos of social distancing being ignored obviously means that every single party was the same 

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Fucking hell, turned to shit in ere eh

Ya fannies

[bobadicious]

Playing devils advocate but if we protect the elderly and those at high risk by socially distancing from them, the data shows the risk to the young and healthy is very low. Then why couldnt we get back to work and the advantages that would bring to the economy, which ultimately is needed to pay for social and health care.

[DangerScouse]

So you've seen all the videos from every single street party that happened yesterday then? I'll concede though. The handful of parties that have videos of social distancing being ignored obviously means that every single party was the same 

Has anyone said that? The point being made is that there is no shortage of idiots ignoring the medical advice and anyone trying to justify it is part of the problem. There may not have been any issues where you live, but it's quite evident that the protocols are being ignored throughout the UK,  on what scale is hard to tell. Selfish morons.

[Currywurst]

Trying to push against (and through) the boundaries of the social distancing/stay at home requests (why not regulations?) seems a bit short-sighted to me. Things won't get back to anything like normal, either socially or economically, until we are sure that we have the virus under control and deaths are kept low. Like in South Korea or New Zealand. Then we can start constructing a framework for getting back to normality, but until then, with the daily death rate still above 600 and new cases over 6,000, people need to build a basis for future positive action by staying out of each other's way for a while longer. It's hard, but it will only go on for longer unless we keep it up now.

[afc tukrish]

Fucking hell, turned to shit in ere eh

Ya fannies

 

[jillcwhomever]

You're obviously making it up mate. The countless videos and pictures of people clearly ignoring social distancing protocols are all a complete fabrication.

It's one day though, people need to have a sense of proportion here. It did my neighbour the world of good, the atmosphere yesterday. It actually made her live again just for one day, having suddenly lost her husband to the virus a couple of weeks ago. How difficult do you think it is for people like that? One day of partying is not going to make a huge difference one way or another. Some people need to have that little uplifting at the moment.

[Jm55]

It's one day though, people need to have a sense of proportion here. It did my neighbour the world of good, the atmosphere yesterday. It actually made her live again just for one day, having suddenly lost her husband to the virus a couple of weeks ago. How difficult do you think it is for people like that? One day of partying is not going to make a huge difference one way or another. Some people need to have that little uplifting at the moment.

That may be true, if you can limit it to one day of partying.

There’s 60 million people in this country and many won’t have an interest in VE Day but will have an interest in different days, festivals, birthdays or whatever it may be.

If you send out the message of ‘one day of partying’ won’t make a difference then you have this difficult decision of decreeing what reason people are allowed to have that one day of partying for.

I don’t overly care, as I expect it, but it does irk me a touch when I haven’t seen my parents for 6 months now when I would have seen them 6 weeks ago were it not for this lockdown. I can’t do much of the things that I enjoy and people’s businesses are going under, but because it’s VE Day it’s alright for people to be out in the street partying.

I do understand where you’re coming from, and it’s great that it has made the life of someone who is grieving better, but if you’re going to adopt a blanket lockdown then I don’t think there should be an exceptions to it.

[CraigDS]

It's one day though, people need to have a sense of proportion here. It did my neighbour the world of good, the atmosphere yesterday. It actually made her live again just for one day, having suddenly lost her husband to the virus a couple of weeks ago. How difficult do you think it is for people like that? One day of partying is not going to make a huge difference one way or another. Some people need to have that little uplifting at the moment.

Might make a pretty fucking big difference if one person contracts it from another and goes and spreads it around their workplace which leads to the death of someone’s partner or child.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

That may be true, if you can limit it to one day of partying.

There’s 60 million people in this country and many won’t have an interest in VE Day but will have an interest in different days, festivals, birthdays or whatever it may be.

If you send out the message of ‘one day of partying’ won’t make a difference then you have this difficult decision of decreeing what reason people are allowed to have that one day of partying for.

I don’t overly care, as I expect it, but it does irk me a touch when I haven’t seen my parents for 6 months now when I would have seen them 6 weeks ago were it not for this lockdown. I can’t do much of the things that I enjoy and people’s businesses are going under, but because it’s VE Day it’s alright for people to be out in the street partying.

I do understand where you’re coming from, and it’s great that it has made the life of someone who is grieving better, but if you’re going to adopt a blanket lockdown then I don’t think there should be an exceptions to it.

Again you're projecting.

Just because some people had a responsible social distancing party doesn't mean that the whole country will now go on a six month bender every day

[Jm55]

Again you're projecting.

Just because some people had a responsible social distancing party doesn't mean that the whole country will now go on a six month bender every day

Of course not - I was replying to the idea that ‘one day of partying doesn’t make much difference’ which it doesn’t, in isolation. But if you have that attitude then people will, legitimately, feel that their reason to have a party is just as valid.

If you can have a party whilst maintaining social distancing then fine, personally I’m of the opinion that a socially distant party is the same as trying to sing during live football sitting down, it doesn’t work. If it was me I’d be pissed and forgetting about the social distancing, not because I’m a prick but because you behave differently after a few drinks.

But yes, if you can have a street party whilst maintaining social distancing then fair enough, knock yourselves out and do it as much as you want. The issue that I have is the minute you start excusing not maintaining social distancing because ‘one day won’t make much difference’ is the minute you open Pandora’s box to a lod of people deciding to also ignore it.

[scouseman]

I just had a look outside our window and there were groups of two people or more walking in the road but walking next to each other side by side, Is that what is meant to be the rule? I was under the view that you each had to have a 2 m gap between you each.

[Eeyore]

I just had a look outside our window and there were groups of two people or more walking in the road but walking next to each other side by side, Is that what is meant to be the rule? I was under the view that you each had to have a 2 m gap between you each.

Depends if they are from the same household.

[Jm55]

I just had a look outside our window and there were groups of two people or more walking in the road but walking next to each other side by side, Is that what is meant to be the rule? I was under the view that you each had to have a 2 m gap between you each.

If you live with the members of your group then no need for any gap, if you don’t then you shouldn’t be walking with them at all, that’s my understanding of it anyway.

[scouseman]

Depends if they are from the same household.

I assume so mate

[an tha]

I live alone and haven’t left my flat in 11 days. Looking like I will have to next week as food is running out and I’m really not looking forward to it. Is there still queues in supermarkets etc?

Have you been ill?

[scouseman]

If you live with the members of your group then no need for any gap, if you don’t then you shouldn’t be walking with them at all, that’s my understanding of it anyway.

thanks for that mate.

[vblfc]

There's an interesting short video going around comparing UK and New Zealand response to the virus.  Jacinda Ardern is very strong and clear, she is really quite impressive. Firmly no herding etc.

[El Denzel Pepito]

There's an interesting short video going around comparing UK and New Zealand response to the virus.  Jacinda Ardern is very strong and clear, she is really quite impressive. Firmly no herding etc.

Yeah, whilst our politicians and prime minister were talking about "taking it on the chin," she was telling New Zealanders their approach was eradication and advising them to behave as if they did in fact have COVID already. "Going hard and going early" has paid off for them.

[jillcwhomever]

That may be true, if you can limit it to one day of partying.

There’s 60 million people in this country and many won’t have an interest in VE Day but will have an interest in different days, festivals, birthdays or whatever it may be.

If you send out the message of ‘one day of partying’ won’t make a difference then you have this difficult decision of decreeing what reason people are allowed to have that one day of partying for.

I don’t overly care, as I expect it, but it does irk me a touch when I haven’t seen my parents for 6 months now when I would have seen them 6 weeks ago were it not for this lockdown. I can’t do much of the things that I enjoy and people’s businesses are going under, but because it’s VE Day it’s alright for people to be out in the street partying.

I do understand where you’re coming from, and it’s great that it has made the life of someone who is grieving better, but if you’re going to adopt a blanket lockdown then I don’t think there should be an exceptions to it.

Most of the ones around our way were between people who were living together. As far as I can see, there is no harm in that. It's not that I don't get what people mean overall, but I have to go into work two days a week. In that situation you can catch it at any time. But what do people expect you to do in these situations? Some people have to go into work. Around here most people have stuck to the rules, yes you get the odd idiot, but on the whole people have been sensible. I can't judge the ones on twitter as I don't know the people concerned. But then, neither does anyone else.

[ShakaHislop]

https://twitter.com/JaackRT/status/1258813878940598273

https://twitter.com/LindseyBampton/status/1259128179702325248

"It's the camera angle that makes you think they're close together when they're not, but the ones that are close are together are from one big family, presumably due to star in the next Cheaper By The Dozen film"

[vblfc]

Yeah, whilst our politicians and prime minister were talking about "taking it on the chin," she was telling New Zealanders their approach was eradication and advising them to behave as if they did in fact have COVID already. "Going hard and going early" has paid off for them.

Agree, her language is really precise and leaves no room for variance from the direction.  I think herding, second wave, end the lockdown etc. all build up to a weak stance which will risk to be self fulfilling.  "Eradicate" as you say gets the best results. Herding, second wave is frightening.

[jillcwhomever]

Might make a pretty fucking big difference if one person contracts it from another and goes and spreads it around their workplace which leads to the death of someone’s partner or child.

The parties around us, where mainly families living together. We have a lot of people like that, if they're living in the same house there is no problem. Everyone is jumping on what is on twitter, but nobody knows the full facts of those either. Most people have been sensible, you can catch the thing going to the supermarket but people still have to shop. I have to travel into work two days a week, I could catch it in any of those situations.

[CraigDS]

The parties around us, where mainly families living together. We have a lot of people like that, if they're living in the same house there is no problem. Everyone is jumping on what is on twitter, but nobody knows the full facts of those either. Most people have been sensible, you can catch the thing going to the supermarket but people still have to shop. I have to travel into work two days a week, I could catch it in any of those situations.

I’d not really consider those in the same family home drinking together as being a street party though. A party at all even. So not really what any of us have a gripe about.

Of course, but you have to travel to work (assuming you cant work from home) and you have to go the shop to eat. You don’t have to socialise with the neighbours and break social distancing rules - which are the ones people are complaining about, not those doing it and abiding by the rules.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I’d not really consider those in the same family home drinking together as being a street party though. A party at all even. So not really what any of us have a gripe about.

Of course, but you have to travel to work (assuming you cant work from home) and you have to go the shop to eat. You don’t have to socialise with the neighbours and break social distancing rules - which are the ones people are complaining about, not those doing it and abiding by the rules.

Yeah but you're tarring everyone with the same brush as knobheads that are totally ignoring the rules.

If you don't get that then fair play.

[Welshred]

https://twitter.com/LindseyBampton/status/1259128179702325248

"It's the camera angle that makes you think they're close together when they're not, but the ones that are close are together are from one big family, presumably due to star in the next Cheaper By The Dozen film"

This bit from here is astounding


"One resident, who wished to remain anonymous, said: ‘The BBC told us to move in our family units and ensured we were strictly apart."[/size]

[WorldChampions]

Not sure about the parties like. If I was going to risk it and spend a prolonged period around people (even at a distance) it'd be with family and mates. Not the neighbours I hardly know 🤷‍♂️

[gaztop08]

Escooters could be the future

[Motty]

Possibly, although the very limited evidence so far is suggesting that there's a fair proportion of asymptomatic cases but not wildly beyond what was thought from studying cruise liner passengers. It's possibly just that there's a delay between being infectious and then developing noticeable symptoms. That will also be a part in being able to isolate anyone with it quickly enough to stop it being passed around once inside a home.

It will be interesting to see how many people have had it when they finally get around to rolling out a accurate antibody test that's for sure.

[Henry Gale]

Have you been ill?

Nope I’m healthy so I’m one of the lucky ones. I haven’t been out as I didn’t really have to. I’m lucky really as I can easily sit on my own for weeks watching tv or playing PlayStation and it doesn’t really bother me.

Thanks for all the replies on supermarkets it’s appreciated 

[Motty]

The women opposite me works in a care home, she's had people round for BBQ's, parents visiting and been picked up by friends with her kids for days out.

Most care home workers I know are doing exactly the same, mind you they are off their heads working usually so not sure why I'm surprised they are having parties still [emoji849]

[12C]

Fucking hell, turned to shit in ere eh

Ya fannies

“It’s my party and I’ll die if I want to...”

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Coronavirus: Chinese official admits health system weaknesses

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52600618

The coronavirus pandemic is a "big test" that has exposed weaknesses in China's public health system, a senior official has told Chinese media.

The rare admission, from Director of China's National Health Commission Li Bin, comes after sustained criticism abroad of China's early response.

The country will now improve its disease prevention, public health system and data collection, he says.

China has offered to help North Korea fight the pandemic there.

Mr Li told journalists the pandemic was a significant challenge for China's governance, and that it exposed "the weak links in how we address major epidemic and the public health system."

China has been accused of responding too slowly to early signs of the virus in Wuhan, where the outbreak began, and failing to quickly alert the international community of the outbreak.

China has rejected calls for an independent international investigation into the origins of the virus.

In April an EU report accused China of spreading misinformation about the crisis.

A doctor who tried to alert authorities about the virus in December was told to stop "making false comments". Li Wenliang later died from Covid-19 in hospital in Wuhan.

China has 4,637 deaths from coronavirus, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins university, and nearly 84,000 cases. Globally more than 275,000 people have died, with nearly 4m confirmed cases.

A rare admission
Celia Hatton, BBC Asia Pacific Regional Editor

It's rare for Chinese leaders to admit wrongdoing.

Li Bin said the commission would fix the problems by centralising its systems and making better use of big data and artificial intelligence, building on many of the leadership's longstanding objectives.

China has faced tough criticism, domestically and abroad, over its early handling of the virus. Several provincial and local officials from the ruling Communist Party have been sacked but no senior member of the Party has been punished.

Beijing has not responded to calls to ease censorship and state control of the media.

China has now offered to help North Korea, after North Korean leader Jim Jong-un congratulated Xi Jinping on its success in fighting Covid-19, Chinese state media report.

North Korea says it has had no confirmed cases of coronavirus, something that is questioned by experts.

The country has a fragile health system that would likely become overwhelmed in a serious outbreak.

[stevieG786]

When do we find out if lockdown is being lifted or not?

[12C]

When do we find out if lockdown is being lifted or not?

January! Or is it next week? Johnson doesn’t seem to know so how you expect an answer on here!

[killer-heels]

When do we find out if lockdown is being lifted or not?

Tomorrow at 7pm and its not being lifted.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

“It’s my party and I’ll die if I want to...”

[reddebs]

Whilst the weather is so nice and me and all my family have stayed at home with no interaction with outsiders, am I ok to go and visit them so long as I don't get closer than 2mtrs then?

I'll not go in the house, we'll all stay outside and I'll only touch a cup or glass with gloves on when I have a drink.

I've got 3 grand children's birthdays coming up and I've already missed having mothers day with them as well as my sisters, a nieces and a great nephews birthday so I've been really good following the rules.

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