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« Reply #6280 on: May 2, 2021, 07:15:47 pm »
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« Reply #6281 on: May 2, 2021, 09:59:07 pm »
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« Reply #6282 on: May 2, 2021, 11:23:53 pm »
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« Reply #6283 on: May 3, 2021, 09:57:45 am »
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I thought he offered just as much yesterday as he has in the last 3 months.
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« Reply #6284 on: May 3, 2021, 10:00:24 am »
I thought he offered just as much yesterday as he has in the last 3 months.

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« Reply #6285 on: May 3, 2021, 11:29:45 am »
Its a pity we did not let him off the reins more often as an attacking CM as he has it in his locker and more which he has shown for Holland. His overall record is quite impressive for his country and surely would have just been as impressive in the all conquering Klopp side the past 3 years. We were more than happy to let the front 3 carry the can when it comes to scoring goals so asked our midfield to do all the legwork required in the press and dont worry as much about getting into the box. We have achieved a lot the past 3 or 4 seasons but could we have achieved even more if Gini was pushed further up the park and fulfill the duties we were asking Keita, Jones and Co to do with breaking the lines.
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« Reply #6286 on: May 4, 2021, 10:58:24 am »
Its a pity we did not let him off the reins more often as an attacking CM as he has it in his locker and more which he has shown for Holland. His overall record is quite impressive for his country and surely would have just been as impressive in the all conquering Klopp side the past 3 years. We were more than happy to let the front 3 carry the can when it comes to scoring goals so asked our midfield to do all the legwork required in the press and dont worry as much about getting into the box. We have achieved a lot the past 3 or 4 seasons but could we have achieved even more if Gini was pushed further up the park and fulfill the duties we were asking Keita, Jones and Co to do with breaking the lines.

I think it’s hard to make the case that we would have achieved more success with him asked to be more attacking. We should be grateful that he was part of a team that achieved a lot and a key part as well. Saying that actually we could have done even more is not giving the manager and squad the credit they deserve.

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« Reply #6287 on: May 9, 2021, 11:37:31 pm »
I thought Wijnaldum had a particularly good game yesterday, both with and without the ball.

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« Reply #6288 on: May 9, 2021, 11:50:48 pm »
I thought Wijnaldum had a particularly good game yesterday, both with and without the ball.

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« Reply #6289 on: May 10, 2021, 09:11:08 am »
I thought Wijnaldum had a particularly good game yesterday, both with and without the ball.

(Are we still allowed to say that?)

You can still say it, it probably needs to be based on something beyond him being on the pitch for 90 minutes and us winning though.
By the measurables he was the most ineffectual of our midfielders... fewest touches of the 3, fewest completed passes, fewest contested balls, zero tackles, zero interceptions, zero chances created (haven’t looked up pressures but he’s usually down the list)... he hit the post though so there’s that - plus whatever intangibles people want to throw in

He’s like a faded forward these days who does one dribble and shot a game that makes you remember the player they were.
He’s such an aesthetically / technically impressive player that it’s hard not to notice something he does in a game but his drop off now from his peak is huge

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« Reply #6290 on: May 10, 2021, 09:17:24 am »
Out of interest, and because I know he's never played many passes, on which of those stats has there been a huge drop off?

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« Reply #6291 on: May 10, 2021, 09:20:45 am »
That was a great performance on Saturday night by Wijnaldum.

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« Reply #6292 on: May 10, 2021, 10:08:36 am »
Out of interest, and because I know he's never played many passes, on which of those stats has there been a huge drop off?

Doing stats stuff in the Wijnaldam thread is like a masochistic urge of mine I mainly try and keep a lid on so trawling through it is a bad idea. But for the example he’s down to 12 pressures per 90 (less than Salah) - Thiago is at 21 for reference. He’s never been a top level presser but he’s as bad as he’s been now.
In order to believe he’s playing at a good level you have to either believe that stats offer no insight into midfielders performance (with the exception of ball retention where he remains world class) or that stats are fine for some things - but that what he excels at can’t be measured. (fwiw the area I agree is his ability to keep shape and block passing lanes which we don’t have public numbers for)

I’d suggest when you couple the numbers with what we’re seeing on the pitch it’s pretty clear but others disagree and I’m sure those that think he was good on Saturday will be able to vocalise why - all about opinions innit
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« Reply #6293 on: May 10, 2021, 10:22:07 am »
You can still say it, it probably needs to be based on something beyond him being on the pitch for 90 minutes and us winning though.

I was just impressed (yet again) on how Gini constantly offer himself for a pass, is trusted by his teammates to receive passes in highly pressurised situations because they know he is the one who can wriggle out of the tightest corners with the ball. I was impressed (again) by how he stretches the pitch like no other midfielder we have - a typical play of his being getting the ball to Mane on the left and then continuing with a lung-busting run beyond Sadio, taking at least two defenders with him. I was impressed by how brilliantly he presses the opposition, constantly sending the player with the ball into less dangerous areas for Liverpool. Again, it is no suprise to me that he remains - as he has for several seasons now - Jurgen Klopp's 'go-to' man.

Throw some more stats at me by all means. But it'd be better if you put your abacus away and watched the game. 

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« Reply #6294 on: May 10, 2021, 10:26:22 am »
I thought Wijnaldum had a particularly good game yesterday, both with and without the ball.

(Are we still allowed to say that?)

No we are not.

We have turned on him. (A few didn’t even need to do that as they never got him in the first place such was their lack of ability to see what he did).

Can’t wait till he’s gone. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out Gini.

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« Reply #6295 on: May 10, 2021, 10:38:03 am »

Throw some more stats at me by all means. But it'd be better if you put your abacus away and watched the game. 


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« Reply #6296 on: May 10, 2021, 11:00:53 am »
Personally think we will massively miss him off the ball - his sense of knowing where to be to block passing lanes and prevent opposition counter-attacks is second to none.

Perhaps it will help us evolve as a team, though, because we could certainly be getting a lot more out of that position on the ball. Until Thiago found his stride on Saturday, there was a painful lack of creativity through the middle.

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« Reply #6297 on: May 10, 2021, 12:09:33 pm »
Personally think we will massively miss him off the ball - his sense of knowing where to be to block passing lanes and prevent opposition counter-attacks is second to none.

Perhaps it will help us evolve as a team, though, because we could certainly be getting a lot more out of that position on the ball. Until Thiago found his stride on Saturday, there was a painful lack of creativity through the middle.

I think that used to be true, but frequently this season opposition teams have passed through us with consummate ease at times. I don't know how much of that is us dropping slightly deeper (and not compressing the space) and how much of it is our forwards pressing less, but it was pretty noticeable again on Saturday. Southampton were able to play triangles round us and advance towards our box pretty easily. The midfield did look as though they did a lot of running, but most of it chasing after players/the ball when it was already past them I thought.

Like you say, there's zero creativity really in our current midfield set up, so they better be outstanding off the ball to compensate and honestly, I don't think any of them have been anywhere near it this year. It's really not that hard to play through us anymore, and whether it's a tactical issue or a personnel issue, at the moment I'm not convinced the midfield is doing enough to affect games defensively or offensively.

Maybe seems harsh given the focus on our forwards (constantly missing chances) and our defence (currently on its knees) but for me the midfield is as much a problem as the other areas in terms of something we need to address in the summer.

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« Reply #6298 on: May 10, 2021, 02:43:41 pm »
“I will be devastated that I will not be able to play with this team anymore”.

You and us both Gini.

I’m still clinging to the fact none of his suitors have offered him the deal he wants. Yet.

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« Reply #6299 on: May 10, 2021, 04:48:58 pm »
Personally think we will massively miss him off the ball - his sense of knowing where to be to block passing lanes and prevent opposition counter-attacks is second to none.

Perhaps it will help us evolve as a team, though, because we could certainly be getting a lot more out of that position on the ball. Until Thiago found his stride on Saturday, there was a painful lack of creativity through the middle.

Before this year, yes. We already have missed that player.

It's not so much blaming the player, as he's been ran into the ground, and a lot of players have suffered playing in this sterile environment and soulless season, but far too often we've been playing with 10 men in the last few months since his form fell off a cliff. He's too often not even done the basics of putting a shift in.
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« Reply #6300 on: May 11, 2021, 12:45:21 am »
I was just impressed (yet again) on how Gini constantly offer himself for a pass, is trusted by his teammates to receive passes in highly pressurised situations because they know he is the one who can wriggle out of the tightest corners with the ball. I was impressed (again) by how he stretches the pitch like no other midfielder we have - a typical play of his being getting the ball to Mane on the left and then continuing with a lung-busting run beyond Sadio, taking at least two defenders with him. I was impressed by how brilliantly he presses the opposition, constantly sending the player with the ball into less dangerous areas for Liverpool. Again, it is no suprise to me that he remains - as he has for several seasons now - Jurgen Klopp's 'go-to' man.

Throw some more stats at me by all means. But it'd be better if you put your abacus away and watched the game.

Does this go for the Club as well?

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« Reply #6301 on: May 11, 2021, 07:32:54 am »
I was just impressed (yet again) on how Gini constantly offer himself for a pass, is trusted by his teammates to receive passes in highly pressurised situations because they know he is the one who can wriggle out of the tightest corners with the ball. I was impressed (again) by how he stretches the pitch like no other midfielder we have - a typical play of his being getting the ball to Mane on the left and then continuing with a lung-busting run beyond Sadio, taking at least two defenders with him. I was impressed by how brilliantly he presses the opposition, constantly sending the player with the ball into less dangerous areas for Liverpool. Again, it is no suprise to me that he remains - as he has for several seasons now - Jurgen Klopp's 'go-to' man.

Throw some more stats at me by all means. But it'd be better if you put your abacus away and watched the game.

Forgive me Yorky, this isn’t purely directed at you, its more of a broad comment, although your final line is an example of the sort of attitude that I want to pushback against a little.

 I don’t really get the attitude about stats folk sometimes reveal. We all know, if we’re self aware to the smallest degree, that when it comes to football we’re extraordinarily subjective observers. Mostly because we’re fans of a particular club, which colours everything we see, and also because we have our own hobby horses, perspectives and experiences about football. Furthermore, it’s impossible to hold all that a player does over 90 minutes in our heads so we tend to remember one or two things and it’s impossible to notice everything anyway, particularly on TV, because loads is happening at every moment. Watching a CM isn’t like watching a QB in NFL - where you watch them everytime they’re on the pitch. So when the stats say, “Gini is pressing lots less than he used too’ (and less than our other CMs) it’s a strange thing to value him because of how much he presses. This happens all the time either for or against a player. ‘He misses too many chances’ when his chance conversion rate is basically what you’d expect. ‘He’s a brilliant passer’ when his ball progression stats aren’t actually very impressive. Sometimes an opinion is flat out contradicted by the stats and given our subjectivity and how hard it is to accurately understand and represent what’s going on in a game of football this wariness about stats, and this narrative that we should set ‘what we see’ over against what the stats say, is a little odd.

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« Reply #6302 on: May 11, 2021, 10:55:15 am »
My own attitude to stats in football is that they are a useful additional tool, to be used certainly, but to be used with some scepticism. Those who resort to them in preference to their own subjective feelings are usually boring to listen to and unreliable in their analysis.

It's a bit like economics. Once upon a time, when the discipline was born, it was a branch of moral philosophy. Now some of its adherents claim it as a science. (I'm simplifying, but you know what I mean). As soon as economics became a branch of science it became the final court of appeal for politicians and commentators to describe 'reality'. "We can settle this moral argument by looking at the stats". It's delusional of course. And economists, despite grand claims about their scientific status, have always made lousy prophets. They are notoriously bad about predicting the future. One year the Nobel prize for economics was shared between a Keynesian and a follower of Milton Friedman. As a piece of satire on economics that was a brilliant decision! They both used the stats in completely different ways to describe what might have been alternative universes. Yet the Nobel committee said they were both right!

It's the same with stats in football. I remember Gary Neville being given a prize as the best passer at the World Cup once. He'd had a dreadful tournament and England had flopped again, being unable - as usual - to keep hold of the ball. But apparently the stats said Neville competed most passes, so he got the prize. I know that football stats have got more sophisticated since those days, but like economics they are still far from being a science. What you decide to quantify will always be a subjective decision. Likewise with how you quantify. 'Ball progression' is a good example of what I'm talking about. The success of a particular 'ball progression' depends on how you view the game, perceive the level of difficulty involved, assess the final destination of the ball, examine the damage it has done to the opposing side etc. The notion that a neutral metric can answer these questions is obviously wrong. You have to see the game and make the call yourself. At the weekend Gini was given some shitty old passes in the first third of the field. By courage and skill he kept getting out of the mess, carrying the ball at speed away from the oppo, and depositing it on Mane's foot in the final third. But you had to watch the game, admittedly with some intelligence, to know what was going on. The abacus wouldn't tell you.

None of this means stats shouldn't be used. I'm sure Jurgen Klopp uses them. But I bet he doesn't pick a team, or settle an argument by getting the 'abacus' out. That's what I object to on here. I especially object to it when the abacus-owner 'proves' a point which directly contradicts my "extraordinarily subjective" appreciation of the game I've just watched.

Long live the "extraordinarily subjective". We all have it, whether we use stats or not. It's what makes the game so interesting.
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« Reply #6303 on: May 11, 2021, 10:59:45 am »
Does this go for the Club as well?

I hope so. I'd be worried sick if they weren't watching the game.

As for the abacus, see my comment above.

But answer me this. If the club are using the abacus and Gini plays every week, what's going on?
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« Reply #6304 on: May 11, 2021, 11:24:34 am »
But answer me this. If the club are using the abacus and Gini plays every week, what's going on?

I mean it could suggest we've got a multitude of injuries and a lack of options because of that.

If Henderson was fit would Wijnaldum start every week?

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« Reply #6305 on: May 11, 2021, 11:44:32 am »
I mean it could suggest we've got a multitude of injuries and a lack of options because of that.

If Henderson was fit would Wijnaldum start every week?

We do have options, but Klopp for whatever reason has decided not to use them.

I don't know the answer to your question about Henderson though. My guess is that Gini might occasionally get a rest if Hendo was fit, but that he would still play the lion's share of matches - as he always has. I even think that Jurgen believes that the reasons for Liverpool misfiring this season have very little to do with Wijnaldum.
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« Reply #6306 on: May 11, 2021, 06:00:35 pm »
I hope so. I'd be worried sick if they weren't watching the game.

As for the abacus, see my comment above.

But answer me this. If the club are using the abacus and Gini plays every week, what's going on?

The club that isn't offering him a new contract and is letting him go for nothing, that club?

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« Reply #6307 on: May 11, 2021, 06:30:41 pm »
The club that isn't offering him a new contract and is letting him go for nothing, that club?

I'm not sure you fully understand the significance of the club letting him go for nothing. It's a sign of how much they value the player, not how cheaply they rate him.
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« Reply #6308 on: May 11, 2021, 08:53:36 pm »
The club that isn't offering him a new contract and is letting him go for nothing, that club?
They have offered him a new contract. He just wants better terms.

I think it’s evident Klopp rates him much higher than some of his abacus-clicking colleagues within the club hierarchy, but that’s been the stalemate since last summer.
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« Reply #6309 on: May 11, 2021, 09:05:13 pm »
I'm not sure you fully understand the significance of the club letting him go for nothing. It's a sign of how much they value the player, not how cheaply they rate him.

How much they value the player but refusing to offer him terms that would get him to stay?  Uhh, sure...

They have offered him a new contract. He just wants better terms.

I think it’s evident Klopp rates him much higher than some of his abacus-clicking colleagues within the club hierarchy, but that’s been the stalemate since last summer.

Does Jurgen Klopp work for the Club or not?

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« Reply #6310 on: May 12, 2021, 02:41:09 am »
But answer me this. If the club are using the abacus and Gini plays every week, what's going on?

This is the question IMO that you never see addressed by the posters who cite stats to criticise our team selections, and not just regarding Wijnaldum.

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Re: Brazilian Porn Review Topic (Warning: may contain Wijnaldum)
« Reply #6311 on: May 12, 2021, 07:28:47 am »
Is he still Barca bound? Can't see this happening especially now that Barca's title chances vanished and gone so Koeman won't be there next season.

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Re: Brazilian Porn Review Topic (Warning: may contain Wijnaldum)
« Reply #6312 on: May 12, 2021, 08:08:09 am »
This is the question IMO that you never see addressed by the posters who cite stats to criticise our team selections, and not just regarding Wijnaldum.
I think it has been addressed numerous times.

Our midfield options going into the season were;

Henderson (c)
Fabinho
Wijnaldum
Milner
Thiago
Keita
Jones
AOC

Henderson and Fabinho have had a mixture of injuries and played a majority of their time in defense, Keita is clearly not trusted while Jones is still young (but already putting up better numbers than Wijnaldum). AOC looks a shadow of the player we signed thanks to his numerous injuries and Milner can't play every game.

So really it's easy to see why our three most experienced midfielders would play almost every week.

The question we'll never know the answer to is if we had a fully fit squad, who would have been the midfield three, given Henderson and Fabinho are guaranteed starters.
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Re: Brazilian Porn Review Topic (Warning: may contain Wijnaldum)
« Reply #6313 on: May 12, 2021, 09:18:20 am »

The question we'll never know the answer to is if we had a fully fit squad, who would have been the midfield three, given Henderson and Fabinho are guaranteed starters.
If all of Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Henderson and Thiago were fit to play in midfield the only evidence we have is Everton away when Wijnaldum misses out. But that's one game and I think even if we'd had fit centre backs all season he'd still get plenty minutes. Midfield is somewhere Klopp has rotated a fair bit anyway either through choice or injuries and Wijnaldum is always available

Just looking back through the opening fixtures and I'd forgot Keita had started the first 4 league games.  Would have been a pretty good midfield 5 to rotate between with Jones/Milner playing when needed if everything hadn't gone to shit

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« Reply #6314 on: May 12, 2021, 10:49:05 am »
I was just impressed (yet again) on how Gini constantly offer himself for a pass, is trusted by his teammates to receive passes in highly pressurised situations because they know he is the one who can wriggle out of the tightest corners with the ball. I was impressed (again) by how he stretches the pitch like no other midfielder we have - a typical play of his being getting the ball to Mane on the left and then continuing with a lung-busting run beyond Sadio, taking at least two defenders with him. I was impressed by how brilliantly he presses the opposition, constantly sending the player with the ball into less dangerous areas for Liverpool. Again, it is no suprise to me that he remains - as he has for several seasons now - Jurgen Klopp's 'go-to' man.

Throw some more stats at me by all means. But it'd be better if you put your abacus away and watched the game. 


Other non-statistical observations however may include consistently underhitting passes (twice, against Southampton, managing it with passes shorter than 5 yards), frequently having to wriggle out of trouble he wriggled himself into by delaying on the ball, an unwillingness to trust his teammates with the same passes he receives - or an inability to play them - and an insistence on 'dribbling', rather slowly, half of the distance toward the fullback he'll end up gently rolling the ball towards (and usually, to their wrong foot, so they have to pass backwards).

A couple of times a game (sometimes, bizarrely and frustratingly, in the latter stages), he wakes up and shrugs off an opponent and carries the ball 30 yards before playing a pass with the right weight.

As the old saying goes, if you don't understand what Wijnaldum brings to the team, you don't understand football. Either way, the answer is 'less than he used to'.
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Re: Brazilian Porn Review Topic (Warning: may contain Wijnaldum)
« Reply #6315 on: May 12, 2021, 12:53:39 pm »
Good. I disagree but you've shown subjectivity counts.

I'd make two points in reply. The first is that Gini's habit of delaying a pass is often because there is no pass to be made. Rather like Alonso, he's never been keen on passing on problems, preferring to hang on to the ball until an opportunity arises. His formidable strength on the ball allows him to do that of course.

Second, the two underhit passes. I only remember one, which was a short one to Mane I think - on the edge of the Anny Road box. The move broke down because Mane failed to retain the ball. I wondered about this the moment it happened because there was definitely a lack of communication between the two players that spoiled an exciting move. Here's the Wijnaldum defence. The deliberately 'underhit' pass (I prefer 'soft' when it is deliberate) can be a hugely effective pass to make for a midfielder coming from the deep and entering the box at speed - as Gini was doing on this occasion. It allows the player releasing the ball to run beyond the player he's passimg to before the ball arrives at that player's foot. The purpose of course is to carve out space for the player receiving the ball in a congested but potentially very damgerous area. Put simply Wijnaldum was hoping to take defenders with him, and away from Mane, before Mane got the ball. In other words it was probably a typically selfless piece of play from Gini. Keita does this all the time. He is the king of the 'underhit' pass as he approaches the box vertically and all his best work happens in the box after he's made such a pass.

It's subjective tho, as we both agree. Im saying that's what might explain what happened. (Breakdowns in communication happen all the time in footy, especially at the business end of the pitch). The abacus is a hopelessly blunt tool for sorting out what transpired in a move like that. 
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Re: Brazilian Porn Review Topic (Warning: may contain Wijnaldum)
« Reply #6316 on: May 13, 2021, 10:45:38 pm »
Was excellent tonight imo

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« Reply #6317 on: May 13, 2021, 10:49:39 pm »
Frustrating in the first 15/20 minutes, moving the ball slowly and misplacing a few passes, but he really grew into the game and was excellent the rest of the way.
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« Reply #6318 on: May 13, 2021, 10:55:14 pm »
Sorry but that was far from an excellent performance, Jones did more in the few minutes he was on the pitch than Wijnaldum all game.

Same old story of too many touches, slow at releasing the ball, not playing the obvious forward pass when available. Really not surprised he was taken off.

In the first half we played the ball out of a defensive situation really nice with some one touch passes and had beaten the United press, the ball goes Wijnaldum and Salah makes a nice run down the right but he turns back and holds onto the ball. So frustrating, just like the no pass to Mane against Leeds.
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Re: Brazilian Porn Review Topic (Warning: may contain Wijnaldum)
« Reply #6319 on: May 13, 2021, 11:02:07 pm »
Sorry but that was far from an excellent performance, Jones did more in the few minutes he was on the pitch than Wijnaldum all game.

Same old story of too many touches, slow at releasing the ball, not playing the obvious forward pass when available. Really not surprised he was taken off.

In the first half we played the ball out of a defensive situation really nice with some one touch passes and had beaten the United press, the ball goes Wijnaldum and Salah makes a nice run down the right but he turns back and holds onto the ball. So frustrating, just like the no pass to Mane against Leeds.

I think he was very good today but at the same time agree with some parts of this.