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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #160 on: October 22, 2021, 09:52:26 am »
We beat them in an empty ground last season. Doesn’t really count for me.


The only part of last season of any significance was when Alisson scored a header. Entire rest of the football calendar year was a right off.
3 midfielders minimum in the next window. And probably another young CB to boot.

Anything else is negligent.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #161 on: October 22, 2021, 09:53:05 am »
would you take a draw if offered right now?

No, we're better than them.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #162 on: October 22, 2021, 09:54:32 am »
would you take a draw if offered right now?

No chance, I wouldn't even take anything less than 0-3 ;D

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #163 on: October 22, 2021, 09:58:48 am »
When is Klopps presser?

Be good to get an update on Jones and Thiago.
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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #164 on: October 22, 2021, 09:59:13 am »
Given the heralding of their goalscoring, they’re not in the same league as us.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #165 on: October 22, 2021, 10:06:09 am »
would you take a draw if offered right now?

No.

If it ends as a draw I’ll probably talk myself into it being an ok result and always a difficult place for us to go. But I think we can win if we play well.

Plus you look how easy Chelsea’s next few games are and we want to be winning to keep close to them. I think City are the most likely but still, wouldn’t want Chelsea to open up much of a gap.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #166 on: October 22, 2021, 10:09:22 am »
What's the score with Jones and Thiago then?

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #167 on: October 22, 2021, 10:13:43 am »
What's the score with Jones and Thiago then?

Will have to wait for the press conference but I'd assume Jones is back but Thiago is still out. Shame really as Thiago would run rings around their shite midfield.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #168 on: October 22, 2021, 10:15:05 am »
would you take a draw if offered right now?

no

we should batter them
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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #169 on: October 22, 2021, 10:23:18 am »
Ahead of Sunday's Premier League clash at Old Trafford between Manchester United and Liverpool, Carragher told Sky Sports:

"I actually think Matip has possibly been better than Virgil van Dijk this season."

"He's a player who goes under the radar because he's not a huge name, he came in on a free transfer, he's been there a long time under Jurgen Klopp and he's had injury problems."

"But every time he plays he's top class, he really is. That partnership with Virgil van Dijk is really good at the minute, it really is."

"He's played in so many big games, this season he's almost been an ever-present, he's been fantastic."
It's there to remind our lads who they're playing for and to remind the opposition who they're playing against!

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #170 on: October 22, 2021, 10:29:07 am »
Will have to wait for the press conference but I'd assume Jones is back but Thiago is still out. Shame really as Thiago would run rings around their shite midfield.

Wonder if Jones starts if he’s fit
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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #171 on: October 22, 2021, 10:30:54 am »
What's the score with Jones and Thiago then?

6-0.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #172 on: October 22, 2021, 10:43:03 am »
would you take a draw if offered right now?
Absolutely not!
I can never take a draw ahead of time from a United fixture- doesn't matter what the circumstances.

I'll deal with it, if it does come to that but never in a million years will I ever settle for a draw against United beforehand. I always look forward to, and expect a win going in this fixture. There have been disappointments of course, but always- nothing but a win!
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In such a sumptuous festival of shite, I wouldn't be so quick to pick a winner..

But he'd make the shortlist

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #173 on: October 22, 2021, 10:47:36 am »
Ahead of Sunday's Premier League clash at Old Trafford between Manchester United and Liverpool, Carragher told Sky Sports:

"I actually think Matip has possibly been better than Virgil van Dijk this season."

"He's a player who goes under the radar because he's not a huge name, he came in on a free transfer, he's been there a long time under Jurgen Klopp and he's had injury problems."

"But every time he plays he's top class, he really is. That partnership with Virgil van Dijk is really good at the minute, it really is."

"He's played in so many big games, this season he's almost been an ever-present, he's been fantastic."
Yeah I've seen pundits only recently starting to really notice Matip. He's an old cruiser of a CB- calm, elegant and collected and panic isn't in his nature really.
Not to thow away the VVD/Gomes partnership, which is a bit more dynamic and just as stable- we're spolied with those two combinations, but this partnership is all class.

Can't believe we got him on a free!
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In such a sumptuous festival of shite, I wouldn't be so quick to pick a winner..

But he'd make the shortlist

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #174 on: October 22, 2021, 10:49:44 am »
would you take a draw if offered right now?

I’d be disappointed if we didn’t win. This isn’t 2007 and peak Fergie United. We are miles better than them. I’d love a dominant 3-0 win.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #175 on: October 22, 2021, 10:51:04 am »
Would be Klopp's 200th win as Liverpool manager if we win.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #176 on: October 22, 2021, 10:57:22 am »
The only part of last season of any significance was when Alisson scored a header. Entire rest of the football calendar year was a right off.

Apart from that last season was a complete write off for me. Hated it.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #177 on: October 22, 2021, 10:58:14 am »
Because of their ‘star studded’ line up they’ve become engrossed at the idea of individual above team. This has distorted their sense of how good they are as they’re marrying-up the individual quality with the notion of it equating to a strong collective. Filling combined XIs with United players is a futile exercise given their incredible lack of cohesion and plan. Saying Pogba ‘walks into Liverpool’s XI’ isn’t an absurd thing to suggest, it’s just that it is an irrelevant hypothetical that has no currency in real-world team building. Yet their cult of personality thing that they have going on means that they are bemused why buying loads of stars isn’t leading to top performances and results.

Linked to this is the horrible Twitter-vibe from loads of online Liverpool fans that want these stars to fill the team with players like Jones, Milner and Henderson getting short shrift as they’re boringly utilitarian by contrast.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #178 on: October 22, 2021, 11:05:21 am »
What we could play based on performances this season:

TAA Mapip VVD Tsimikas
   Jones Fab Keita
   Salah Jota Mane


what he'll be tempted to play given how they set up:

TAA Mapip Virg Robertson
   Henderson Fab
            Bobby
      Mo Jota Mane


What we'll actually play:

TAA Maldip Virg Robertson
 Henderson Fabinho Milner
 Mo      Bobby    Mane
« Last Edit: October 22, 2021, 11:17:59 am by JackWard33 »

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #179 on: October 22, 2021, 11:13:41 am »
Because of their ‘star studded’ line up they’ve become engrossed at the idea of individual above team. This has distorted their sense of how good they are as they’re marrying-up the individual quality with the notion of it equating to a strong collective. Filling combined XIs with United players is a futile exercise given their incredible lack of cohesion and plan. Saying Pogba ‘walks into Liverpool’s XI’ isn’t an absurd thing to suggest, it’s just that it is an irrelevant hypothetical that has no currency in real-world team building. Yet their cult of personality thing that they have going on means that they are bemused why buying loads of stars isn’t leading to top performances and results.

Linked to this is the horrible Twitter-vibe from loads of online Liverpool fans that want these stars to fill the team with players like Jones, Milner and Henderson getting short shrift as they’re boringly utilitarian by contrast.
This is what underpins so much commentary, punditry and transfer coverage. they overlook the fact that it's a team game and the idea is that the team is greater than the sum of its parts. Some of our own fans overlook it too.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #180 on: October 22, 2021, 11:16:28 am »
Those looking at the Atalanta game and 'rubbing their hands' I think will be disappointed. No way will they be setup like that, and derby's are always different.

Yes, I'd say we're favourites, but predicting a derby result is a mugs game.
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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #181 on: October 22, 2021, 11:27:04 am »
What we could play based on performances this season:

TAA Mapip VVD Tsimikas
   Jones Fab Keita
   Salah Jota Mane


what he'll be tempted to play given how they set up:

TAA Mapip Virg Robertson
   Henderson Fab
            Bobby
      Mo Jota Mane


What we'll actually play:

TAA Maldip Virg Robertson
 Henderson Fabinho Milner
 Mo      Bobby    Mane
Bit risky not going with a keeper 😀
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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #183 on: October 22, 2021, 11:32:00 am »
Bit risky not going with a keeper 😀

gives us a game changing sub at half time though so pros and cons

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #184 on: October 22, 2021, 11:33:42 am »
I'll be a bit disappointed if we go with a midfield of Fabinho, Henderson and Milner to be honest.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #185 on: October 22, 2021, 11:34:46 am »
What we could play based on performances this season:

TAA Mapip VVD Tsimikas
   Jones Fab Keita
   Salah Jota Mane


what he'll be tempted to play given how they set up:

TAA Mapip Virg Robertson
   Henderson Fab
            Bobby
      Mo Jota Mane


What we'll actually play:

TAA Maldip Virg Robertson
 Henderson Fabinho Milner
 Mo      Bobby    Mane

Have another go at spelling our CB. You know you want to ;D

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #186 on: October 22, 2021, 11:35:33 am »

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #187 on: October 22, 2021, 11:36:38 am »
This is what underpins so much commentary, punditry and transfer coverage. they overlook the fact that it's a team game and the idea is that the team is greater than the sum of its parts. Some of our own fans overlook it too.

Yep. Ties in with über-capitalism that’s infecting mindsets; equating a player’s cost with a player’s value. This is self-evident im the coverage on deadline day or the takeover of a football club. If money is sloshing about then we have a story; we have traction; it’s something of note.

Coaching, man management, team building, wage structures are all a footnote despite them being central to success.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #188 on: October 22, 2021, 11:37:32 am »
I'll be a bit disappointed if we go with a midfield of Fabinho, Henderson and Milner to be honest.
Given the lack of control against Atleti, you may need to be prepared to be disappointed.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #189 on: October 22, 2021, 11:37:40 am »
I'll be a bit disappointed if we go with a midfield of Fabinho, Henderson and Milner to be honest.

Same. Don't think Milner should be starting 3 games in a week.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #190 on: October 22, 2021, 11:50:04 am »
Given the lack of control against Atleti, you may need to be prepared to be disappointed.

Fabinho should be in there, Henderson too (as long as not wide right), and that'll give control. The other shouldn't be Milner though. They're going to play on the break and not sure that's ideal for him anymore, esp 3 times in a week.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #191 on: October 22, 2021, 11:53:39 am »
Regardless of any dynamic going on at the moment, the only acceptable outcome to this game is for us to stick 24 goals past them so that Klopp can say in his presser post-game

"The best thing about football is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the Neville!"


But every single time I can remember where we were 'sure' we would knock shit out of them, we ended up narrowly losing or drawing.

Going to be a shite game and will probably end up 0-0 or 1-1 with Manchester Uniteds pet ref giving absolutely every soft yellow to them, booking four of five of us early on, refusing to see any fouls on our players, giving them dodgy free kicks near the area and generally being an inbred Manc c*nt.


I actually doubt that he'll send ours off and I think he'll stay away from penalties as everyone in football and everyone in the media already knows that he's a Manchester United fan from Manchester whose entire family are Manchester United season ticket holders from an area in Manchester where everyone supports Manchester United, appointed by a Leeds-based official who clearly has favoured Manchester United in every fixture he officiated in and has followed that by giving them an easy ride with every official he's in charge of.
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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #192 on: October 22, 2021, 12:14:53 pm »
What we could play based on performances this season:

TAA Mapip VVD Tsimikas
   Jones Fab Keita
   Salah Jota Mane


what he'll be tempted to play given how they set up:

TAA Mapip Virg Robertson
   Henderson Fab
            Bobby
      Mo Jota Mane


What we'll actually play:

TAA Maldip Virg Robertson
 Henderson Fabinho Milner
 Mo      Bobby    Mane

He won't play milner for a 3rd game in a row.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #193 on: October 22, 2021, 12:30:44 pm »
Curtis Jones is fit for Sunday but Klopp has ruled out Thiago. He is running now. Klopp said he's not sure whether he will be back before the international break but definitely after. It's unbelievable how slow it takes Thiago to recover from injuries. I remember Klopp saying he should be back after the previous international break.

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« Reply #194 on: October 22, 2021, 12:33:34 pm »
Curtis Jones is fit for Sunday but Klopp has ruled out Thiago. He is running now. Klopp said he's not sure whether he will be back before the international break but definitely after. It's unbelievable how slow it takes Thiago to recover from injuries. I remember Klopp saying he should be back after the previous international break.

What is the injury?

Jones should start Sunday hopefully.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #195 on: October 22, 2021, 12:35:28 pm »
What is the injury?

Jones should start Sunday hopefully.

Thiago had a calf injury.

He's a slower healer than Mapip - or he had a much worse tear than we heard.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #196 on: October 22, 2021, 12:36:25 pm »
would you take a draw if offered right now?

No, we've already drawn too many.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #197 on: October 22, 2021, 12:36:48 pm »
Can't see Klopp asking for full backs to bomb on as Ole will play on the break as usual which means it could be a turgid draw as both will want to avoid defeat.

Have a feeling they will look to have a go in the first 15 mins, try and score and then sit back.

Firmino will probably drop back a bit into midfield a few times as that's where United are weak as they are defensively although we have been a wee bit inconsistent.

No idea what to predict. Head says 0 0 but heart says we can do these 3 - 1.

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« Reply #198 on: October 22, 2021, 12:38:22 pm »
Norway stooge of a journalist asked about penalties, that Ole has said since Jurgen opened his mouth about Man utd getting so many penalties, United don't get as many.

Jurgen batted it away with it's fact that they had way more than Liverpool.

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Re: Manchester United v The Reds: Match Preview 24/10/2021
« Reply #199 on: October 22, 2021, 12:38:42 pm »
I can see Klopp bringing Curtis Jones in for this to play alongside Hendo and Fab…possibly even Gomez coming in for Matip to deal with their pace…frustrating Thiago isn’t available.
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