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Re: Serial - The Wire of Podcasts
« Reply #80 on: December 30, 2014, 10:32:59 am »
The evidence to convict Adnan simply isn't there.

This doesn't mean he's definit innocent.

Jay's new interview has more holes than a pair of crocheted knickers.

 I'm sure of one thing, both he & Adnan were doing something untoward that afternoon...

I'm looking forward to hearing about the DNA/serial killer angle. They'd better do an update.

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« Reply #81 on: December 30, 2014, 10:38:52 am »
What has Adnan got to lose from the podcast? Even if he's guilty the only thing that comes out is the evidence that was in the trial. If you know the hard evidence doesn't exist and you're already doing life in prison what's there to lose?

If there is a totally different person guilty of the murder then they've played an absolute blinder. Using a 19 year old kid to implicate his mate/acquaintance to the murder - all of which could've come tumbling down with a decent alibi from Adnan - and to not be mentioned at all in the trials as a suspect. It's unlikely I think but who knows ; everything is based on jays story and his credibility is questionable to say the least.

One thing I don't remember from the podcast is a third party opinion of the without m quality and direction of the defence attorney. The story seems full of holes now with the benefit of hindsight. But Gutierrez was an experience defence lawyer. The jury heard Jay cross examined for four days. What are the chances that Gutierrez was SO bad at her defence and the jury were SO taken in by the prosecution that they couldn't see the flaws in the case? I guess what I'm saying is I can't get out of my head the potential bias viewpoint the podcast is given from - intentional or not
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Re: Serial - The Wire of Podcasts
« Reply #82 on: December 30, 2014, 11:06:02 am »
The evidence to convict Adnan simply isn't there.

This doesn't mean he's definit innocent.

Jay's new interview has more holes than a pair of crocheted knickers.

 I'm sure of one thing, both he & Adnan were doing something untoward that afternoon...

I'm looking forward to hearing about the DNA/serial killer angle. They'd better do an update.



The fact Jay knew where the body and car was, and led the police to the locations, discounts the serial killer angle.

The serial killer is 'bigger picture', because it leads to the DNA testing - which could implicate Jay or Adnan, especially if there are traces under Hae's nails. On the other hand, both could successfully argue that the DNA got there in school?

Jay's interview is horrendous. He has 15 years to get his story straight, hundreds of theories on the sub reddit that match the mobile tower pings to read - and he comes up with an entirely new story that doesn't fit in with the cell records or the cell locations? This interview does two things - make him more likely to be involved with the murder and makes the testimony that jailed Adnan questionable.

If he is innocent, why does he continue to change details? Why do the interview? It's crazy that he agrees to this interview without legal advice, then in in the interview contradicts what he said in his testimony under oath at the trial- the very testimony that was essential to Adnan's conviction. He would have been better keeping his mouth shut.

They are both guilty, only they know how the guilt is balanced (and possibly Jenn). One cut a deal before the other, the other stuck to his story but it didn't work out.

Serial has been one hell of a ride - really hope Sarah Koeng does a follow up episode pulling apart Jay's new interview!
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Re: Serial - The Wire of Podcasts
« Reply #83 on: December 30, 2014, 11:28:37 am »
The fact Jay knew where the body and car was, and led the police to the locations, discounts the serial killer angle.

The serial killer is 'bigger picture', because it leads to the DNA testing - which could implicate Jay or Adnan, especially if there are traces under Hae's nails. On the other hand, both could successfully argue that the DNA got there in school?

Jay's interview is horrendous. He has 15 years to get his story straight, hundreds of theories on the sub reddit that match the mobile tower pings to read - and he comes up with an entirely new story that doesn't fit in with the cell records or the cell locations? This interview does two things - make him more likely to be involved with the murder and makes the testimony that jailed Adnan questionable.

If he is innocent, why does he continue to change details? Why do the interview? It's crazy that he agrees to this interview without legal advice, then in in the interview contradicts what he said in his testimony under oath at the trial- the very testimony that was essential to Adnan's conviction. He would have been better keeping his mouth shut.

They are both guilty, only they know how the guilt is balanced (and possibly Jenn). One cut a deal before the other, the other stuck to his story but it didn't work out.

Serial has been one hell of a ride - really hope Sarah Koeng does a follow up episode pulling apart Jay's new interview!

It doesn't discount a serial killer at all. It just means Jay knew where the car was. Which if they were together that afternoon (which they both admit) makes sense.

It's possible they were upto other illegal stuff & Hae's murder was coincidental to what they were up to... This isn't very likely but it is possible given the facts we have. We'd also lack a motive for Jay grassing on Adnan, but as I said, the DNA evidence *might* clear that one up...!

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Re: Serial - The Wire of Podcasts
« Reply #84 on: December 30, 2014, 02:46:31 pm »
But Jay knew where Hae's car was, which he wouldn't if it was a serial killer.

My first question after that...they drove in Adnan's car to Leakin Park, dig a hole. Then Adnan goes and gets Hae's body from her car nearby. How did the car end up being nearby? I'm probably missing something...
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Re: Serial - The Wire of Podcasts
« Reply #85 on: January 1, 2015, 04:13:48 am »
http://www.vox.com/2014/12/31/7472965/jays-interview-adnan-serial

Can they use Jay's interview in the appeal?

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« Reply #86 on: January 2, 2015, 01:48:55 pm »
You'd think if it ever came to that Jay's defence would just be that it's been 15 years and his memory is hazy. Which it probably is to be honest.

All 3 parts of the interview are up. They get less interesting it has to be said.
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Re: Serial - The Wire of Podcasts
« Reply #88 on: January 6, 2015, 06:26:08 pm »
But Jay knew where Hae's car was, which he wouldn't if it was a serial killer.

This seems the most incidental of all his elements, the rest is more self preservation. There is every chance the Police gave him the car whereabouts, as they would come across it in their line of work, and his whole testimony is in cahoots with them anyway - which is the only way he is not locked up now for the amount of stuff he confessed to.
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Re: Serial - The Wire of Podcasts
« Reply #89 on: January 9, 2015, 09:05:24 am »
Monster, and I do mean monster post about the cell records pertaining to Adnan's case. Apparently it's a brilliant read, but I'm only part way through it so can't confirm:

http://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/

This definitely seems like a more concise account of the cell records than the blog you linked:

http://adnanscell.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-11299-11399-timeline-as-confirmed.html

This seems the most incidental of all his elements, the rest is more self preservation. There is every chance the Police gave him the car whereabouts, as they would come across it in their line of work, and his whole testimony is in cahoots with them anyway - which is the only way he is not locked up now for the amount of stuff he confessed to.

Well that does rely on several assumptions. The detectives outright framing Adnan through Jay seems implausible. It also doesn't explain the inconsistencies with Adnan's statements.

Adnan's biggest inconsistencies/lies come right at key moments in potential timelines. The Nisha call is inconsistent (the "butt dial" dismissal is not very strong). He lies directly about asking Hae for a ride.  He lies directly about never being to Leakin Park. The cell record almost certainly places him in Leakin Park at 7PM - even taking into account the technology of 1999 if you look at the expert analysis the prosecution expert at trial was reliable and accurate. Then there is Cathy's testimony which really hurts Adnan and his dismissal of it is suspect.

The whole theory that Adnan was completely framed just doesn't seem plausible to me - see the confirmed cell phone timeline above.

The fact Jay knew where the body and car was, and led the police to the locations, discounts the serial killer angle.

The serial killer is 'bigger picture', because it leads to the DNA testing - which could implicate Jay or Adnan, especially if there are traces under Hae's nails. On the other hand, both could successfully argue that the DNA got there in school?

Jay's interview is horrendous. He has 15 years to get his story straight, hundreds of theories on the sub reddit that match the mobile tower pings to read - and he comes up with an entirely new story that doesn't fit in with the cell records or the cell locations? This interview does two things - make him more likely to be involved with the murder and makes the testimony that jailed Adnan questionable.

If he is innocent, why does he continue to change details? Why do the interview? It's crazy that he agrees to this interview without legal advice, then in in the interview contradicts what he said in his testimony under oath at the trial- the very testimony that was essential to Adnan's conviction. He would have been better keeping his mouth shut.

They are both guilty, only they know how the guilt is balanced (and possibly Jenn). One cut a deal before the other, the other stuck to his story but it didn't work out.

Serial has been one hell of a ride - really hope Sarah Koeng does a follow up episode pulling apart Jay's new interview!

Well, think about it. Why would Jay keep changing his story?

Because he has literally no incentive not to change his story. Clearly he is hiding something. That something could be his own involvement in the murder to protecting an unnamed 3rd party involved in the murder.

He is under zero legal obligation to tell the reporter the truth. He can't be held for perjury as he is not sworn in under oath in court. Nothing can happen to Jay legally if he makes up another timeline. See what the prosecutor said? Its irrelevant what Jay says now

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Re: Serial - The Wire of Podcasts
« Reply #90 on: January 10, 2015, 01:00:50 pm »
I found out about this yesterday and have just managed to finish the first season. Gripping stuff, completely hooked.

I personally think they both conspired to do it, but then Jay freaked out and went to the cops while changing the details to project himself as an accessory after the fact rather than an accomplice.

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« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2015, 02:03:41 pm »
The cell record almost certainly places him in Leakin Park at 7PM - even taking into account the technology of 1999 if you look at the expert analysis the prosecution expert at trial was reliable and accurate. Then there is Cathy's testimony which really hurts Adnan and his dismissal of it is suspect.

I think there is an explanation to that assuming Adnan is innocent. They departed Cathy's house at 6 after the cops left and according to went separate ways, Adnan drove in his car according to him. What if he left his phone with Jay? Who was alone at leaking park at 7. Far fetched I know but working under the impression that Adnan has been carefully framed by Jay.

Just read Jay's interview and I think he gives away motive if it did not exist before. His disdain for the kids belonging to the magnet group which meant Adnan and Hae both. Maybe I am completely wrong but atleast this interview makes sure that if state's case against Adnan was a strech at best before it is completely non existent now.

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Re: Serial - The Wire of Podcasts
« Reply #92 on: January 12, 2015, 03:47:30 am »
Just listened to the first 11 episodes in two days. Onto the last one now, gripping stuff.

I'd never heard of or listened to 'This American Life' before this either. Got onto that and they have some fascinating stories.

I found this one - http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/492/dr-gilmer-and-mr-hyde

Sarah Koenig did this one as well and it is supposedly the 'inspiration' for Serial.
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« Reply #93 on: January 12, 2015, 07:07:14 am »
I think there is an explanation to that assuming Adnan is innocent. They departed Cathy's house at 6 after the cops left and according to went separate ways, Adnan drove in his car according to him. What if he left his phone with Jay? Who was alone at leaking park at 7. Far fetched I know but working under the impression that Adnan has been carefully framed by Jay.

I see two problems with that theory.

First the time for Jay to drop off Adnan at the mosque is not much. Its theoretically possible but relies on traveling faster (probably much faster) than the speed limit and cutting corners a lot. This seems unlikely if there is a body in the trunk.

The second problem with that is that Adnan's own testimony contradicts it. He claims he has his phone back after track practice and for rest of the night. So that basically assumes Jay stole Adnan's phone and at some point returned it without Adnan's knowledge. That requires some additional assumptions. Or a theory that Jay and Adnan were in it together deeper than is proven.

For me the case could go a number of ways. If I take an "Occam's Razor" approach then I think the most logical conclusion is that Jay and Adnan were in on the murder together (to what degree of pre-meditation I am not sure though as it could be 100% spur of the moment passion killing that Jay just happened to assist in). To explain the inconsistencies and all other information I would suggest maybe Jay and Adnan somehow killed Hae (I still think Adnan had stronger motive) and then they called in someone Jay knew from his "criminal element" to help dispose of the body. The third party who help dispose the body was the "older male voice" that Jen heard when she called Jay at 7:16.

With that theory, Jay's scared behavior than his porn star worker notices makes sense. Jay is not scared of Adnan but scared of whoever he called in to help that is probably leaning on Jay to make sure Adnan goes down alone and he doesn't get involved.

A more extreme version of this theory that I think is possible but less probable is that the unnamed third party was the actual killer but Jay and Adnan were both so involved that both are relatively content with the current status quo.

To me the takeaway is that clearly Jay is involved somehow and I personally see no plausible scenario where Adnan is not involved as well.

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Re: Serial - The Wire of Podcasts
« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2015, 11:54:07 am »
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« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2015, 12:04:15 pm »
I just can't wrap my head around a motive for the murder.

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« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2015, 12:22:00 pm »
I just can't wrap my head around a motive for the murder.

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« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2015, 12:31:16 pm »
I just can't wrap my head around a motive for the murder.

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« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2015, 07:19:12 pm »
She left him, he felt humiliated. He strangled her.

This. While it might seem silly for us, the motive for most murders is some type of love  gone wrong like this.

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« Reply #99 on: January 12, 2015, 07:40:15 pm »
She left him, he felt humiliated. He strangled her.

Yep, he broke his religion due to her. He probably felt like he betrayed his family and then she left him and he had a moment of madness.

Jay was definitely involved though.
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« Reply #100 on: January 12, 2015, 09:29:30 pm »
Just finished it.

The serial killer theory doesn't sit with me  It doesn't explain a lot of the events in both Syed and Jay's stories.

I hope we get a follow up, but I doubt we'll ever know the truth.

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« Reply #101 on: January 13, 2015, 05:45:16 am »
Yep, he broke his religion due to her. He probably felt like he betrayed his family and then she left him and he had a moment of madness.

Jay was definitely involved though.

I don't buy the religion crap. Stoners are hardly a religious bunch. She broke up, he got upset and killed her. Happens more often than people realize, majority of murders are borne out of human emotions like jealously, anger etc etc
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« Reply #102 on: January 13, 2015, 05:54:35 am »
I see two problems with that theory.

First the time for Jay to drop off Adnan at the mosque is not much. Its theoretically possible but relies on traveling faster (probably much faster) than the speed limit and cutting corners a lot. This seems unlikely if there is a body in the trunk.

The second problem with that is that Adnan's own testimony contradicts it. He claims he has his phone back after track practice and for rest of the night. So that basically assumes Jay stole Adnan's phone and at some point returned it without Adnan's knowledge. That requires some additional assumptions. Or a theory that Jay and Adnan were in it together deeper than is proven.

You are right. Overall it does not look good for Adnan. The one thing I have a hard time wrapping my head around is that Jay and Adnan both admit that they were hardly friends, so it makes little sense for Adnan to enlist Jay's help.

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« Reply #103 on: January 13, 2015, 09:15:59 am »
You are right. Overall it does not look good for Adnan. The one thing I have a hard time wrapping my head around is that Jay and Adnan both admit that they were hardly friends, so it makes little sense for Adnan to enlist Jay's help.

When I did some googling it appears that Jay's family was involved in some harder crimes than just "selling pot". Its possible that some of Jay's brags about being the "criminal element of Woodlawn" might be exaggerated but sort of true if you take his family into account. While they both claim they weren't close friends, the track coach or whoever was in Serial said it wasn't weird for Jay to pick up Adnan from track practice so the perception seems to be they spent a bit of time together frequently. Perhaps that has to do with just pot but maybe more?

I definitely think Jay was more involved than he makes out though. Same with Jenn.

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« Reply #104 on: January 13, 2015, 11:07:35 am »
I definitely think Jay was more involved than he makes out though. Same with Jenn.

For me the biggest reason I suspect Adnan might be innocent is because of Jenn's fishy role in this. Because she also changes her story and even after a number of flip flops Jay and Jenn's story doesn't match.

For all his fault Adnan has not changed his story even once and if you just objectively look at his story removing all the noise it seems like a completely normal day. Woke up, went to school, went to Jay for a smoke during free period, came back to school, went to the library, then track practice after which Jay picks him they smoke couple more joints, he goes to the mosque for evening prayer since it's Ramzan. And he has stuck by it, never tried to change any part of his story unlike Jay who has changed pretty much all the facts. The only thing that has remained consistent in Jay's story is that he was at Jenn's house from 3 pm onwards and only left the  house after 3:40 or so. And I think most people who have now reviewed this case have said that it is highly unlikely that Hae was murdered at 2:36. Infact she was last seen around 3pm leaving the school and was killed after that. So I don't know, but I seem to be getting obsessed about this ;D
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« Reply #105 on: January 13, 2015, 11:20:56 am »
Also the worst part about Jay's story is that after Adnan pops the trunk to show him Hae's dead body they both just roam around town looking to score weed. I mean come on even fucking gangsters aren't that cool that they drive around town in the middle of the day looking for weed while there is a dead body in the boot of the car. That is just complete nonsense.

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« Reply #106 on: January 13, 2015, 11:47:26 am »
I don't buy the religion crap. Stoners are hardly a religious bunch. She broke up, he got upset and killed her. Happens more often than people realize, majority of murders are borne out of human emotions like jealously, anger etc etc

I may be making this up, but didn't he first reveal his lack of religion to his parents because of her though?

It would all be part of it.
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« Reply #107 on: January 13, 2015, 11:53:32 am »
I may be making this up, but didn't he first reveal his lack of religion to his parents because of her though?

I am not sure, but as far as I remember that wasn't the case. He used to nick money off the mosque how religious could he be at that age? I am not judging him by the way. I have the done the same, siphoning 10-20 rupees from the temple at home for tuck. I am not even ashamed of it, I was 8 or 10.

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« Reply #108 on: January 13, 2015, 11:56:52 am »
For me the biggest reason I suspect Adnan might be innocent is because of Jenn's fishy role in this. Because she also changes her story and even after a number of flip flops Jay and Jenn's story doesn't match.

For all his fault Adnan has not changed his story even once and if you just objectively look at his story removing all the noise it seems like a completely normal day. Woke up, went to school, went to Jay for a smoke during free period, came back to school, went to the library, then track practice after which Jay picks him they smoke couple more joints, he goes to the mosque for evening prayer since it's Ramzan. And he has stuck by it, never tried to change any part of his story unlike Jay who has changed pretty much all the facts. The only thing that has remained consistent in Jay's story is that he was at Jenn's house from 3 pm onwards and only left the  house after 3:40 or so. And I think most people who have now reviewed this case have said that it is highly unlikely that Hae was murdered at 2:36. Infact she was last seen around 3pm leaving the school and was killed after that. So I don't know, but I seem to be getting obsessed about this ;D

And if we don't buy Adnan, and the way he has portrayed his story, so calm and normal. We have to conclude that he is a serious sociopath. And like the woman from the Innocence Project says - 'you just don't get that lucky'.

Hmmmm.
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« Reply #109 on: January 13, 2015, 11:58:36 am »
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« Reply #110 on: January 13, 2015, 12:20:51 pm »
And if we don't buy Adnan, and the way he has portrayed his story, so calm and normal. We have to conclude that he is a serious sociopath. And like the woman from the Innocence Project says - 'you just don't get that lucky'.

Hmmmm.

Even if I assume he is a sociopath,  Jay statement that they went around town riding in their car with a dead body in the boot just doesn't sit right with me. Adnan is 17 and we can assume he committed this sort of a crime for the first time and the victim was his ex girl friend that too his first serious relationship. It's hard to believe that anyone even a psychopath would be completely normal after murdering his girlfriend and would ride around town in his car looking to score weed. That is a completely different level of dysfunctional behavior. What are the odds of that?

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Re: Serial - The Podcast
« Reply #111 on: January 13, 2015, 12:22:50 pm »
I am not sure, but as far as I remember that wasn't the case. He used to nick money off the mosque how religious could he be at that age? I am not judging him by the way. I have the done the same, siphoning 10-20 rupees from the temple at home for tuck. I am not even ashamed of it, I was 8 or 10.
That is kind of my point. He has never been that religious, but his parents always pushed it on him and he never revealed his lack of religion fully until she was in his life. His parents were probably gutted about this and it would have added to his anger when she broke up with him. Adds to the embarrasment and feeling of "I did all this for fuck all"
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Re: Serial - The Podcast
« Reply #112 on: January 13, 2015, 12:38:25 pm »
That is kind of my point. He has never been that religious, but his parents always pushed it on him and he never revealed his lack of religion fully until she was in his life. His parents were probably gutted about this and it would have added to his anger when she broke up with him. Adds to the embarrasment and feeling of "I did all this for fuck all"

Maybe you are right and that's how he reacted but I think thats the more unlikely reaction. Plus he was with other chicks after Hae.

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Re: Serial - The Podcast
« Reply #113 on: January 13, 2015, 06:26:45 pm »
I agree with a point made in the podcast, that if Adnan is innocent, he has had a lot of bad luck on that day.

The Nisha call, loaning his car and phone to a friend - who ended up knowing where the car was and confirmed Adnan was in on it..... all at the wrong time on the wrong day.

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Re: Serial - The Wire of Podcasts
« Reply #114 on: January 13, 2015, 10:49:21 pm »
For me the biggest reason I suspect Adnan might be innocent is because of Jenn's fishy role in this. Because she also changes her story and even after a number of flip flops Jay and Jenn's story doesn't match.

For all his fault Adnan has not changed his story even once and if you just objectively look at his story removing all the noise it seems like a completely normal day. Woke up, went to school, went to Jay for a smoke during free period, came back to school, went to the library, then track practice after which Jay picks him they smoke couple more joints, he goes to the mosque for evening prayer since it's Ramzan. And he has stuck by it, never tried to change any part of his story unlike Jay who has changed pretty much all the facts. The only thing that has remained consistent in Jay's story is that he was at Jenn's house from 3 pm onwards and only left the  house after 3:40 or so. And I think most people who have now reviewed this case have said that it is highly unlikely that Hae was murdered at 2:36. Infact she was last seen around 3pm leaving the school and was killed after that. So I don't know, but I seem to be getting obsessed about this ;D

I have a few red flags when I hear Adnan talk. To me something about Adnan seems off. Just a gut instinct but things like when Sarah Koenig says he is a nice guy and he gets really weird going with the whole "You don't know me !" line. Then he seemed to realize what he did and slips smoothly back into trying to be reasonable. That exchange seemed to really intimidate Koenig and it struck me as very bizarre thing to say.

Also weird to me is how he lies about two crucial things confirmed by others-he first told police he asked Hae for ride then in later statements that part disappears and he insist he doesn't know Leakin Park when he clearly does.

Its also  extremely weird and a big red flag that he insists it was a normal day and only when prompted does he remember the call by police saying she is missing. Compare his reaction to Don's reaction when the police call. I know for me if I got a call at 17 that my first love was missing my reaction would be far, far more like Don's and not like Adnan's. That also makes his completely lack of any detail and only the "probably" seem a bit weird.

We know it wasn't 6 weeks before he had to recall that day. He got the call Jan.13 and police contacted three separate times so to me his complete lack of anything concrete seems a bit odd.

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Re: Serial - The Podcast
« Reply #115 on: January 13, 2015, 11:22:01 pm »
I don't buy the religion crap. Stoners are hardly a religious bunch. She broke up, he got upset and killed her. Happens more often than people realize, majority of murders are borne out of human emotions like jealously, anger etc etc
Yeah it is not a religious thing. Asian men, of whatever religion or even atheists (though I'd like to believe it would be a lot less common) are quite possessive in their relationships. A stereotype I know and it happens across all cultures,  but still I think it explains Adnan's motive. Hae carried on talking to Adnan about her relationship with Don, which according to Jay, Adnan felt as if she was throwing it in his face or whatever and he felt humiliated. Not being able to subsequently admit he did it may have something to do with his religion, not losing face etc., and protecting his family. Had he admitted it, shown remorse, he would have been up for parole now.


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Re: Serial - The Podcast
« Reply #116 on: January 14, 2015, 03:48:25 pm »
A strong and distinct possibility has to remain that Jay shoves all the shit he can on Adnan to get himself out of trouble with the cops who sniff that he is a petty criminal, who they can very easily give a lot of grief to, and appear to have manipulated big time. This is most visible in hindsight with the assembled versions of the events he retells. The vision of Joseph Smith & his writing of the book of Mormon looks true by comparison.
His first appearance to outsiders is the courtroom version of him. He then comes across as reasonable and polite because he is contrasted with Adnan's defence attorney having her nervous and total health breakdown in the courtroom. She was not fit for the job, but could not refuse the work because she wanted the money for healthcare.
 Jay definitely stinks worse in terms of basic morality than Adnan.

 Before that all kicks off, the guy who was just released from prison who had previously killed an Asian woman and was a convicted rapist did the thing he had done before.  He is so much more likely to have done this.

All will be revealed hopefully when we get the DNA testing results.
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Re: Serial - The Podcast
« Reply #117 on: January 14, 2015, 07:52:16 pm »
Do we have a podcast thread?

If not, I'll stick this in here. NPR have a new series, invisibilia. One episode so far, which I am currently enjoying. This one is about dark thoughts, and what to think about them. (Maybe Adnan should take a listen!)



Launching in January 2015, Invisibilia (Latin for "all the invisible things") explores the intangible forces that shape human behavior – things like ideas, beliefs, assumptions and emotions.

Co-hosted by NPR's Lulu Miller and Alix Spiegel, who helped create Radiolab and This American Life, Invisibilia delves into a wide array of human behavior, interweaving narrative storytelling with fascinating new psychological and brain science. Listen and research will come to life in a way that will make you see your own life differently. Produced by NPR News, Invisibilia turns the dry and scholarly into utterly captivating storytelling.

In Invisibilia's pilot season, Spiegel and Miller dig deep into our innermost minds — examining our dark, disturbing thoughts and whether those thoughts say anything about who we are, our fears and how they shape our actions, and our need for belonging and how it shapes our identity and fuels our emotions over a lifetime. They will take you into the real-world consequences of our own expectations — sometimes so powerful that they can overcome physical disability — and test your assumptions that empathy brings people closer together. Along the way, you'll encounter fascinating individuals, such as the man who has merged with his computer and a woman who physically feels what others feel.

Invisibilia is a glimpse into a world you can't see.

Listen.

Feel different.

http://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/
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Re: Serial - The Podcast
« Reply #118 on: January 14, 2015, 08:47:11 pm »
Here's the general podcast thread, Your Majesty:
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=287698.0
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Re: Serial - The Podcast
« Reply #119 on: January 14, 2015, 08:53:26 pm »
Thank you, Sir Ray.
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