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« Reply #120 on: September 14, 2009, 01:39:31 pm »
Thanks, much appreciated. I'll give 'All The Pretty Horses' a whirl soon.
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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #121 on: September 14, 2009, 06:48:38 pm »
I've clearly missed the zeitgeist here; will check the next 3 for 2's imminently.

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #122 on: September 14, 2009, 06:50:21 pm »
Might give the audiobook a go. Is that cheating?

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #123 on: September 14, 2009, 07:06:09 pm »
Might give the audiobook a go. Is that cheating?

I gather illiteracy is rife amongst the teaching profession; go for it.

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« Reply #124 on: September 14, 2009, 08:42:56 pm »
Might give the audiobook a go. Is that cheating?

Whadda you think?

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #125 on: September 14, 2009, 08:50:59 pm »
Might give the audiobook a go. Is that cheating?
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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #126 on: September 14, 2009, 09:09:02 pm »
Why should hearing the words spoken rather than actually reading them be a lesser activity, I wonder?

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #127 on: September 14, 2009, 09:11:17 pm »
Why should hearing the words spoken rather than actually reading them be a lesser activity, I wonder?

Because...
I know that as I was reading the book there wasn't a single page went by without me stopping and adding 10, 20-times as much to the text. The gaps are all there because of the incredible way it's written and it's impossible not to fill them in yourself - from simple narrative questions like 'what happened?' to awful philosophical ones like 'what would I do in his situation?' I hope the film is good but I can't imagine it will leave these gaps.

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #128 on: September 14, 2009, 09:22:30 pm »
Because...
I can't see why listening should preclude that sensation, in the way that pictures are better on the radio. I'll defer to your judgement in the interim.

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #129 on: September 14, 2009, 09:25:10 pm »
I can't see why listening should preclude that sensation, in the way that pictures are better on the radio. I'll defer to your judgement in the interim.

Screw my judgement, I've never listened to a book in my life. But this guy is a real once off and it would seem a shame not to consume in the manner intended. Is all.

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #130 on: September 14, 2009, 10:41:35 pm »
I don't know if there's an answer to that Claw. Personally I find the act of hearing a poem spoken by the poet to be more rewarding that reading it in my own 'voice'. But prose (for me) is always better when I read it myself. Why that should be I ain't got a clue. After all, all story-telling was oral once upon a  time.....
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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #131 on: September 15, 2009, 03:23:33 am »
^ I've only listened to one audio book and it made a very long drive ( 10 hours ) very enjoyable. It wasn't CM like.

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #132 on: September 15, 2009, 09:05:52 am »
The problem for me is that you are putting another layer of mediation between yourself and the author.  Reading the book you are getting the direct information as the author laid it on the page. Listening to someone else reading it you are getting their interpretation of those words and in doing so perhaps losing deliberate ambiguity etc etc.

Anyway I defy anyone to read aloud some of the unpunctuated passages of All The Pretty Horses in anything even resembling a satisfactory manner.
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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #133 on: September 17, 2009, 08:25:31 am »
As usual, VdM gets it in one.  For all its beauty, The Road is a simple work. In fact, it's so simple, as yorky has already noted, you often want to add more than what you're given. But that's a trap, so don't fall into it.  From my experience, the first crack at The Road cannot be repeated. I wouldn't risk going through someone else's eyes for the first time.

From the works of his that I've read, the characteristic lack of punctuation is the only opening McCarthy allows his readers to interact with his characters or even the text as a whole.  Otherwise you take what you're given as he doesn't care what you take away from what he's written.  The Road is no exception.  Unless you trust the guy on the audiobook, it might make a huge difference to your experience, if the guy reads a thought as dialogue or fails to recognize that the same character continues to speak.

As to other McCarthy, I would go back to the near beginning, to Blood Meridian; Or, the evening redness in the west. All his other novels answer for why he's spilt so much blood in this novel. 
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.  The writing style is less polished in comparison to his other novels, but in terms of scope, it is his most ambitious.

I see Tommy Lee Jones is involved in filming Blood Meridian, which gives me some hope. After watching Inglorious Basterds, I wonder what Tarantino would have done with McCarthy. You need somebody like that who is comfortable with violence to film this novel.

I love No Country for Old Men but give it a little time if you've just read The Road otherwise it will seem like nothing. I happen to think it is a beautifully understated meditation on violence. McCarthy at his most restrained.
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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #134 on: October 14, 2009, 02:09:55 pm »
Might give the audiobook a go. Is that cheating?

Of course it isn’t. I read the book and then a few months after listened to the audio book and enjoyed both equally. I am a firm believer in audio-books and listen to them pretty much every single day. Depending on the book they can add a lot to the effect of the book in my opinion and ‘The Road’ certainly fell in that category for me. The guy who read this one (and other McCarthy books) who’s name escapes me at this moment reads them fantastically with buckets full of emotion. I guess it’s all personally choice though.
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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #135 on: October 14, 2009, 03:56:44 pm »
Just finished Blood Meridian. Intense stuff. Not ideal reading for the commute but I though it was a fantastic read. It really sucks you in, more of an evening read, if you know what I mean?! Can't get my head around the Epilogue though.

Also, at the end...
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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #136 on: October 23, 2009, 09:24:23 pm »
I have just finished Old Country - I was once again blown away by the impact of the sparse prose, for me,  tuned out by the Border Trilogy (confirming one bag of pork scratchings is great, three on the bounce makes you forget why you love 'em!)  reading it with the film in mind was, I think,  a glimpse of how to write a screenplay and a half. Loved Mimi's critique...

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #137 on: October 23, 2009, 09:32:43 pm »
Reading The Road at the moment. Enjoying it, looking forward ot the film coming out!

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #138 on: October 29, 2009, 11:29:35 am »
Finished the road the other day. What a fantastic book. Can't remember feeling so immersed in a book. Don't think I could really do it justice amongst some of the discussion that has taken place here. [God I love this forum, so many great posters]. Mimi, you're posts in particular were fascinating. None of my friends have read this (yet, it will be recommended til I'm breathless) so it's nice to be able to read other peoples thoughts.

Somebody mentioned that for every page they read so many other thoughts were conjured and I couldn't agree more. It's my second McCarthy, after NCFOM, and he is already a favourite of mine. The quality of his language makes me reread sentences just to bask in the beauty. I have to agree with Fletcher Memorial though, I didn't really feel close to tears by the end. Maybe I'm just a heartless bastard. It's been suggested.

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #139 on: October 29, 2009, 11:52:34 am »
Horses!
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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #140 on: October 29, 2009, 12:04:27 pm »
Horses!

Score one for horses. The only problem with that is that I'd obviously have to read the 3 books! I've got two years to read Blood Meridian before the film's released so maybe I'll try the Border trilogy

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« Reply #141 on: October 29, 2009, 12:09:18 pm »
Horses!

I am rereading that at the moment, it's maybe ten years since I last read it and it's marvellous.

Oh, and you don't have to read the trilogy at all, each book stands on its own.

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« Reply #142 on: October 29, 2009, 12:59:45 pm »
I am rereading that at the moment, it's maybe ten years since I last read it and it's marvellous.

Oh, and you don't have to read the trilogy at all, each book stands on its own.

Oh ok. Before any of this I need to buy them anyway. Which is more accessible? ;)

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« Reply #143 on: October 29, 2009, 03:29:45 pm »
Oh ok. Before any of this I need to buy them anyway. Which is more accessible? ;)

They're all accessible, not half as pared down as The Road, so start at the very beginning, a very good place to start.

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« Reply #144 on: October 29, 2009, 03:35:34 pm »
start at the very beginning, a very good place to start.

haha

I was only messing around saying which is most accessible. Mimi said it's a gripe of hers and it's something that really annoys me too like when people refuse to watch an older film or heaven forbid one in black and white. Definitely going to start with Horses now anyway.

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« Reply #145 on: October 30, 2009, 09:38:55 am »
The best writers in the world always see things differently from 'normal' folk. Cormac McCarthy falls into this category with 'The Road'!

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« Reply #146 on: November 2, 2009, 09:05:43 pm »
I said above I was rereading All The Pretty Horses. This is from early in the book and John Grady Cole and his father are meeting after a family funeral.

She's gone to San Antonio, the boy said.
Dont call her she.
Mama.
I know it.
They drank their coffee.
What do you aim to do?
About what?
About anything.
She can go where she wants to.
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His father pursed his lips and drummed his fingers on the table and looked up. When I come around askin you what I'm supposed to do you'll know you're big enough to tell me, he said.
Yessir.


You can open it on any page and find writing like that. I love this book.

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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #147 on: November 25, 2009, 05:22:33 pm »
For anyone looking forward to "The Road" film that's coming out, The Creative Screenwriting podcast have a fascinating interview with the Director and Screenwriter.

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« Reply #148 on: December 2, 2009, 03:35:02 pm »
Something utterly charming about this story:

"US author Cormac McCarthy is selling the trusty old typewriter he has used to type all of his books.

The worn-out 1958 portable Olivetti machine is expected to fetch up to $20,000 (£13,200) when it is sold at auction in New York this week.

The 76-year-old author of No Country for Old Men bought the typewriter for $50 (£30) from a pawnshop in 1963.

But the Pulitzer Prize winner will not embrace computers - his friend found a replacement Olivetti for $11 (£6.50). "
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« Reply #149 on: January 5, 2010, 03:59:53 pm »
I just finished The Road and it was brilliantly fraught, desperate and compelling. I think it's been pretty well covered in here, so I won't bother with another review, but needless to say it's highly recommended everyone read this.

Now, I want to read all of his stuff, so I think I'll go chronologically in publishing order.


(as an aside, I listen to alot of audiobooks as well, as I drive quite a bit, and music isn't that big a thing for me. Audiobooks are highly dependent upon the reader, obviously, for example Time Traveller's Wife was brilliant read, and really added to the book. The guy that reads the Dan Brown books is horribly cheesy and actually makes the books worse, if that's possible. I think I'll check out The Road audio, because if done right, it could be great.)
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« Reply #150 on: January 11, 2010, 05:36:18 pm »
Having previously read this thread, i took the plunge and got my first Cormac McCarthy book.

I opted for "No Country for Old men"

I am thoroughly enjoying the book, but there is one recurring issue with his writing that is really wrecking my head, i'm just wondering if anybody else has picked up on it.

Its his use of the word "and" that is getting to me.

Havent got the book to hand to do an example, but i find most of his paragraphs go something like this.

"He walked into the house AND switched on the kettle ANd waited for it to boil AND then  poured it into the kettle AND picked it up AND walked to the television AND switched it on AND watched the news AND was bored.

He then switched on the microwave AND put his food in AND warmed it up AND took it out AND eat it AND it was good"



Are all his books written in the same style because i  really was irritated by it after severl hours reading.
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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #151 on: January 11, 2010, 06:36:28 pm »
not noticed that mate but he has got a tendency to neglect punctuation I said to Corky this could get annoying but he replied his dialogue is equally sparse without speech marks or other indicators you should not let this worry you though Pascoli for as sure the the sun will rise and turn the far range of the mexican high chapparal from blue to pink to baking orange you will get used to it.
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« Reply #152 on: January 11, 2010, 07:04:27 pm »
not noticed that mate but he has got a tendency to neglect punctuation I said to Corky this could get annoying but he replied his dialogue is equally sparse without speech marks or other indicators you should not let this worry you though Pascoli for as sure the the sun will rise and turn the far range of the mexican high chapparal from blue to pink to baking orange you will get used to it.

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agreed, i sometimes had to start the dialogues again  once the "talker" had changed 4 or 5 times to double check who it was that was talking at the time. (dunno if that makes sense)

Must admit though, i found it realy hard to put down despite my minor irks, and will be working my way through the rest of his books as well.
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« Reply #153 on: January 20, 2010, 02:05:23 pm »
On Corky's recommendation i started into the McCarthy world with The Road (on audiobook much to Corky's tuttutedness). Jesus what a read/listen. I agree with the earlier sentiments about audiobooks. It depends on who the narrator is. I was lucky, the narrator didn't take away, in any sense, what had been written. Reading the comments about lack of syntax makes me wonder about whether an audiobook is perfect for McCarthy. I could imagine the syntax might grate if i were reading the book whereas it became part of "the conversation" when listening to it on audiobook. I think syntax isn't an issue when listening to an audiobook because the intonation of the reader bypasses the syntax and it becomes more a conversation than a read. Anyhow, great book.
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Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Reply #154 on: February 10, 2010, 07:03:14 pm »
Finished The Road a few days ago, and have already introduced it to my parents and everyone I know.  Its like being kicked in the stomach.  My favourite novel.
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« Reply #155 on: February 10, 2010, 07:18:35 pm »
Nearly finished No Country For Old Men - excellent.  Although, I seem to be going through his novels in reverse order.
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« Reply #156 on: February 10, 2010, 07:27:08 pm »
The Road stinks. Literally, when I took it out of the play.com wrapper, it reeked

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« Reply #157 on: February 11, 2010, 10:48:38 am »
Just bought the whole Border Trilogy off Amazon for £5.49 (does anyone else ever feel guilty when ordering books off the Internet?)

Couldn't say no at that price!
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« Reply #158 on: February 11, 2010, 10:57:48 am »
Just bought the whole Border Trilogy off Amazon for £5.49 (does anyone else ever feel guilty when ordering books off the Internet?)

Couldn't say no at that price!
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« Reply #159 on: February 11, 2010, 11:18:40 am »
The Trilogy was my first dip into McCarthy world. I'd say that All the Pretty Horses is an epic tale, The Crossing is excellent, but I found Cities of the Plain a bit of a let-down to be honest.

Fair enough, but after The Road I really want to give McCarthy a proper whirl and I reckon if I plough through the trilogy it'll give me a real introduction to his work.  Basically, I'm not all that keen on westerns as a genre, so if I get those three books out the way I reckon I can make my judgement then (and buy all his books).
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"The trouble with having an open mind is that people will come along and try to put things in it."
~Terry Pratchett

“If you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
~Friedrich Nietzsche