Author Topic: Mid Season Over-Optimistic Rallying Cry AKA Stop Bloody Whinging (Read 14318 times)

elpistolero7 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am »

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

Looking at a similar points total from last year. Haven't kicked on at all, which is a shame.

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

But hey, at least we'll win the net spend trophy.

Lets be postive on RAWK. Meanwhile in reality, its one league cup in 11 years, and (hopefully ha!) celebrating a 4th place trophy. Ox might as well have stayed at Arsenal. At least they have a few FA cups. Our trophy cabinet from the last decade is a pile of dust and a carling cup.

No, but lets be optimistic. Things are great.

LiamG · « **Reply #41 on:** February 1, 2018, 01:44:50 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

Looking at a similar points total from last year. Haven't kicked on at all, which is a shame.

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

But hey, at least we'll win the net spend trophy.

Lets be postive on RAWK. Meanwhile in reality, its one league cup in 11 years, and (hopefully ha!) celebrating a 4th place trophy. Ox might as well have stayed at Arsenal. At least they have a few FA cups. Our trophy cabinet from the last decade is a pile of dust and a carling cup.

No, but lets be optimistic. Things are great.

but to finish in the top 4 again and still being in europe at this stage of the season is surely something?

It's disappointing to be out of 2 cups button reason why we can't go for 2nd and as far as we can in champions league

just no need for so much negativity from some fans these days, the way some act is as if we are 6th and nowhere near top 4

kezzy · « **Reply #42 on:** February 1, 2018, 01:50:18 am »

Just gone third without even playing. There's positivity for you. Fuck it, let's win the champions league.

Redcap · « **Reply #43 on:** February 1, 2018, 01:52:07 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

Looking at a similar points total from last year. Haven't kicked on at all, which is a shame.

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

But hey, at least we'll win the net spend trophy.

Lets be postive on RAWK. Meanwhile in reality, its one league cup in 11 years, and (hopefully ha!) celebrating a 4th place trophy. Ox might as well have stayed at Arsenal. At least they have a few FA cups. Our trophy cabinet from the last decade is a pile of dust and a carling cup.

No, but lets be optimistic. Things are great.

Really?

You think the best we can hope for in the CL is to beat Porto, but inevitably be beaten in the next round?

You think, 3 points behind United, we can't realistically hope to overhaul them in the 13 games until the end of the season? If we were 3 points behind first place, would you say that the title chase was realistically over? Bizarre.

As for if we finished fourth, you know it'd be the first time we'd finished top four two seasons in a row, right? It's all very good to demand success, but you have to recognise it when you see it. Arsenal may be on its way down, and we may joke about their 'fourth place' trophies, but there's no doubt whatsoever that since 2009, they've been a bigger and more relevant club than us almost every season, because they've been a mainstay in the CL. Staying in the CL is a critical marker of success.

The way I would look at it is, we're favourites to make it into the QFs of the CL, and no one would want to face us if we got there. I don't know about you, but if we drew a Juventus or a Barcelona, my attitude wouldn't be: "well, we're out now, because we're just not that good".

In the league, we've got games against Chelsea and United, and hence opportunities to get ahead of them. Third is a real possibility - we're literally there already. We're very much in the running for second, being only 3 points behind.

Or you could be 'realistic' and conclude that we've made no progress, 3/5 of the way through the season. You do you.

Filler. · « **Reply #44 on:** February 1, 2018, 01:54:46 am »

Am absolutely fine with just getting our necks over the line and a good old fashioned plucky stab at this European Cup thingymejig.

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #45 on:** February 1, 2018, 01:55:44 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

Looking at a similar points total from last year. Haven't kicked on at all, which is a shame.

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

But hey, at least we'll win the net spend trophy.

Lets be postive on RAWK. Meanwhile in reality, its one league cup in 11 years, and (hopefully ha!) celebrating a 4th place trophy. Ox might as well have stayed at Arsenal. At least they have a few FA cups. Our trophy cabinet from the last decade is a pile of dust and a carling cup.

No, but lets be optimistic. Things are great.

1. We have no idea what the best we can hope for in Europe right now. We didn't know how we will fare against Porto, and if we do go through, we don't know obviously who we will get. It's impossible to tell, we may get favorable draw's, we may not, so it's an unknown but it's a far bigger improvement than not being in this competition at all. So we didn't stand still.

2. How can our best finish realistically in the league be 3rd or 4th, when we are only 3 points behind 2nd place at the moment?

3. This side is still a work in progress. In Klopp's first season, we got to two cup finals, we certainly had our chances to win silverware with him, which wasn't the case in years. Our league form however wasn't good enough. Last year we had a good chance to get to another cup final, but disappointed in the semi against Soton, we collapsed that entire month. This year two early exits in both of the league cups, however we as I said, are contending in Europe.

We don't have the tools just yet to go far in all of the competitions, that doesn't mean that we won't soon.

You seem to be lacking perspective. This is our first time in the knock out stages out of the Champions League since 2009. We have no divine right to be anywhere or to win anything. What we have to do is continue to work hard and establish ourselves as a serious club in said competition. Under this manager and the attacking players we have, we have a chance, a far better chance than we have had in almost ten years.

Durlmints · « **Reply #46 on:** February 1, 2018, 02:02:06 am »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on January 31, 2018, 10:15:37 pm

1 goalkeeper and 10 Dirk Kuyts would be more successful in the Klopp system than they would in the Rodgers system.

Yes, but the problem here is that you are missing the obvious choice to have an 11th Dirk Kuyt

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #47 on:** February 1, 2018, 03:12:25 am »

Quote from: Durlmints on February 1, 2018, 02:02:06 am

Yes, but the problem here is that you are missing the obvious choice to have an 11th Dirk Kuyt

You're right, you know!!!!!

MNAA · « **Reply #48 on:** February 1, 2018, 04:44:35 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

Looking at a similar points total from last year. Haven't kicked on at all, which is a shame.

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

But hey, at least we'll win the net spend trophy.

Lets be postive on RAWK. Meanwhile in reality, its one league cup in 11 years, and (hopefully ha!) celebrating a 4th place trophy. Ox might as well have stayed at Arsenal. At least they have a few FA cups. Our trophy cabinet from the last decade is a pile of dust and a carling cup.

No, but lets be optimistic. Things are great.

Go somewhere else to whing ... It's the Stop Bloody Whinging thread.

Didi_ram · « **Reply #49 on:** February 1, 2018, 04:59:53 am »

Well, it is clear that there are a bunch of okayish/not so great teams battling for second spot here, which is good for us. While we've become weaker this month, Chelsea look trash, United not unbeatable, Spurs are capable of dropping points easily, and Arsenal are too far to catch us. I think if we can be smart, rotate tactfully, keep VVD Firmino Salah and Mane fit throughout, we can get 3rd (or 2nd at a stretch) and hopefully a QF blockbuster tie in the CL. Would be a good season that, and we can (hopefully) push on in the summer window and have a shot at silverware this year.

sempi · « **Reply #50 on:** February 1, 2018, 05:01:00 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

Looking at a similar points total from last year. Haven't kicked on at all, which is a shame.

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

But hey, at least we'll win the net spend trophy.

Lets be postive on RAWK. Meanwhile in reality, its one league cup in 11 years, and (hopefully ha!) celebrating a 4th place trophy. Ox might as well have stayed at Arsenal. At least they have a few FA cups. Our trophy cabinet from the last decade is a pile of dust and a carling cup.

No, but lets be optimistic. Things are great.

Its better than most, take the bitters!!

sempi · « **Reply #51 on:** February 1, 2018, 05:03:10 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

Looking at a similar points total from last year. Haven't kicked on at all, which is a shame.

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

But hey, at least we'll win the net spend trophy.

Lets be postive on RAWK. Meanwhile in reality, its one league cup in 11 years, and (hopefully ha!) celebrating a 4th place trophy. Ox might as well have stayed at Arsenal. At least they have a few FA cups. Our trophy cabinet from the last decade is a pile of dust and a carling cup.

No, but lets be optimistic. Things are great.

At least we are within 3 points of second, plus Salah and Firmino are piling up the goals.
We could be Leeds, then you would have something to be gloomy about.

sms1986 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 1, 2018, 06:38:32 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

Looking at a similar points total from last year. Haven't kicked on at all, which is a shame.

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

But hey, at least we'll win the net spend trophy.

Lets be postive on RAWK. Meanwhile in reality, its one league cup in 11 years, and (hopefully ha!) celebrating a 4th place trophy. Ox might as well have stayed at Arsenal. At least they have a few FA cups. Our trophy cabinet from the last decade is a pile of dust and a carling cup.

No, but lets be optimistic. Things are great.

We know you’re a misery guts, but there’s still many things to be positive about. Can we at least have a threas with some whining bedwetter, please? Nobody here is saying things are perfect.

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #53 on:** February 1, 2018, 06:47:52 am »

The only thing disappointing about the season so far imo is going out the FA Cup.Start of it I was hoping for a decent run in the CL and top 4,we are well on track for both.

That said I do agree that the "owners" need to start investing in their investment because net spend is not that of a top 4 PL club and certainly not good enough for a club of our size.It is nice to have owners that haven't piled on the debt though,after the last lot these guys are saints but spend some fucking money in the summer ya twats.

mrantarctica · « **Reply #54 on:** February 1, 2018, 07:15:22 am »

Hopefully we can push on and secure a comfortable top 4 place. We have games against all of our main rivals so its all in our hands really. Hopefully we can maintain consistency and stay clear of injuries. World Cup year's are always bad for pre-season, so I hope we do our transfer business a bit early.

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #55 on:** February 1, 2018, 07:35:30 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

Looking at a similar points total from last year. Haven't kicked on at all, which is a shame.

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

But hey, at least we'll win the net spend trophy.

Lets be postive on RAWK. Meanwhile in reality, its one league cup in 11 years, and (hopefully ha!) celebrating a 4th place trophy. Ox might as well have stayed at Arsenal. At least they have a few FA cups. Our trophy cabinet from the last decade is a pile of dust and a carling cup.

No, but lets be optimistic. Things are great.

You are such a misery, glad it's Klopp managing us and not you.

McrRed · « **Reply #56 on:** February 1, 2018, 07:53:30 am »

I love a good, positive thread, me.

What?

telekon · « **Reply #57 on:** February 1, 2018, 08:52:54 am »

We still have a chance to win the Champions League.

CraigDS · « **Reply #58 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:17:50 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

The thing with hope is that the only thing that limits it is your own pessimism.

And in this case your pessimism is severely quashing both your sense of realism and your hope.

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #59 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:20:00 am »

Quote from: telekon on February 1, 2018, 08:52:54 am

We still have a chance to win the Champions League.

Is right,on our day we can hammer anybody.

Fido · « **Reply #60 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:21:36 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

Looking at a similar points total from last year. Haven't kicked on at all, which is a shame.

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

But hey, at least we'll win the net spend trophy.

Lets be postive on RAWK. Meanwhile in reality, its one league cup in 11 years, and (hopefully ha!) celebrating a 4th place trophy. Ox might as well have stayed at Arsenal. At least they have a few FA cups. Our trophy cabinet from the last decade is a pile of dust and a carling cup.

No, but lets be optimistic. Things are great.

On the whole that is a good post but the Stepford Fans will not like it.

I am more hopeful than you are that we can still win the Champions Leage this season but like you I really cannot understand why our present owners failed to use the last few transfer windows to kick on. - (As it turns out AOC was the direct replacement for Philippe Courtinho with a few months delay in the Coutinho sale to hide the obvious. - Bummer)!

If the present owners lack the ambition to push on they should get off the pot; set a realistic price and sell to ambitious Arab Owner who have real ambition and deep pockets.

CraigDS · « **Reply #61 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:25:15 am »

Quote from: Fido on February 1, 2018, 09:21:36 am

On the whole that is a good post but the Stepford Fans will not like it.

If the present owners lack the ambition to push on they should get off the pot; set a realistic price and sell to ambitious Arab Owner who have real ambition and deep pockets.

Interesting irony in using the term Stepford Fans and then wanting an owner who will just take control and throw money at the club despite the often dark nature of them acquiring their wealth.

gjr1 · « **Reply #62 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:26:57 am »

I'm convinced we're the 2nd best team in the country and can finish 2nd.

Champions league is an odd one... more likely to get knocked by Porto than anyone else. We can beat any team in Europe on our day.

I'm always optimistic. At least we don't play drab football. Always looking to score and score more and more.

sms1986 · « **Reply #63 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:34:09 am »

Quote from: Fido on February 1, 2018, 09:21:36 am

On the whole that is a good post but the Stepford Fans will not like it.

It's not going to be well received in a thread for positive posts, is it?

Nobody is saying that we should be 100% positive all the time and never be negative, but at the same time we shouldn't be 100% negative all the time.

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I am more hopeful than you are that we can still win the Champions Leage this season but like you I really cannot understand why our present owners failed to use the last few transfer windows to kick on. - (As it turns out AOC was the direct replacement for Philippe Courtinho with a few months delay in the Coutinho sale to hide the obvious. - Bummer)!

Where's your proof that he's Coutinho's replacement?

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If the present owners lack the ambition to push on they should get off the pot; set a realistic price and sell to ambitious Arab Owner who have real ambition and deep pockets.

Right, so you want a sugar daddy to treat the club like a shiny new toy until he gets bored of it? Sure, we might invest in the same way that Chelsea have, so that they don't have to rely on Abromovich as much anymore, but that isn't a guarantee.

Vinay · « **Reply #64 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:42:17 am »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on January 31, 2018, 10:06:57 pm

That's why I said "athletes with a brain"

Intelligence trumps technical ability in football (unless the technical ability also has a brain)

I know this is me being fastidious; but wouldn't technical ability require a good brain?

cornelius · « **Reply #65 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:43:55 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically

Why is that the best we can hope for?

Is it because you have no balls?

Fuck me even after a great 48 hours people are still crying like bitches.

Fact is some of you pathetic "supporters" will never be happy. Well enjoy your miserable fucking lives.

dudleyred · « **Reply #66 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:44:45 am »

Quote from: Redcap on February 1, 2018, 01:52:07 am

As for if we finished fourth, you know it'd be the first time we'd finished top four two seasons in a row, right?

70's, 80's and early 90's say hi

i know you meant premier league but for some of the younger members on RAWK i thought it would be worth reminding them of football pre 1992!

wige · « **Reply #67 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:45:06 am »

Quote from: Fido on February 1, 2018, 09:21:36 am

On the whole that is a good post but the Stepford Fans will not like it.

I am more hopeful than you are that we can still win the Champions Leage this season but like you I really cannot understand why our present owners failed to use the last few transfer windows to kick on. - (As it turns out AOC was the direct replacement for Philippe Courtinho with a few months delay in the Coutinho sale to hide the obvious. - Bummer)!

If the present owners lack the ambition to push on they should get off the pot; set a realistic price and sell to ambitious Arab Owner who have real ambition and deep pockets.

Ugh.

No fucking thanks.

FSG aren't perfect, but fuck being another City, Chelsea or PSG who do next to nothing to earn their success.

I'm so close to losing all fucking interest in football. Its been patently obvious for about 20 years now that success is directly linked to how much wealth you have, rather than any sort of steady, continued development and improvement, backing good people, learning from mistakes and building something valuable and sustainable in itself.

If that's what you and others want, ultimately who the fuck am I to tell you it's wrong. I just know it's wrong to me, and you can have the club and sport all to yourselves once we go down that route.

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Well the best we can hope for is Quarters of the CL and 3rd/4th realistically.

Looking at a similar points total from last year. Haven't kicked on at all, which is a shame.

We have THIRTEEN games left to play. Why the hell is the quarters the best we can hope for?

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

This, like it or not, would be improvement. How many times prior to Klopp had we had CONSECUTIVE CL qualifications? None, since Rafa. That is an improvement. Add to that, when was the last time we qualified from the CL group? That was during Rafa. Progress. We could also get into the non tangibles, such as playing style or consistency (which has a pretty tangible unbeaten runs record, to be honest)

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

But hey, at least we'll win the net spend trophy.

Improvement is NOT 100 percent linked to who you fucking buy and sell. By end of the season Ox, VD will have settled with their teammates. Fullbacks will have a full season under their belts and gained loads of experience, both in terms of the game and of playing for a club with the demands of Liverpool. We don't need much in terms of buys to be a brilliant side. Have some patience.

I agree, the Coutinho decision was.....questionable (let me leave it at that) and Sturridge doesn't make an awful lot of sense from our perspective either, BUT, lets see how we do, let's see how a fit Danny Ings gets on, hope Solanke has a little more luck on front of goal. Or we could just slit our wrists now/aka give up until the next TRANSFER WINDOW YAY

Lets be postive on RAWK. Meanwhile in reality, its one league cup in 11 years, and (hopefully ha!) celebrating a 4th place trophy. Ox might as well have stayed at Arsenal. At least they have a few FA cups. Our trophy cabinet from the last decade is a pile of dust and a carling cup.

THE SEASON ISN'T OVER. Utd are catchable. We're ABOVE last seasons champions. We can finish 2 positions higher than last year and win the biggest club trophy in Europe. We can. Will we? Who fucking knows, let's SUPPORT, BELIEVE and see.

No, but lets be optimistic. Things are great.

Sarcastic, poorly hidden conceit. See my other posts for what I think. Fucking disgrace in a nutshell.

We're third, we just gone 18 games unbeaten while not always being brilliant, one of our most important players is about to come back, we have a brilliant front 3, decent midfielders, decent defenders, a great manager.

We're in the knockouts of the CL.

We have lots of money in the bank, a management team with a very good track record of buying, and also, WINNING.

Let's see where they take us.

Up the reds.

CraigDS · « **Reply #68 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:45:07 am »

Quote from: Vinay on February 1, 2018, 09:42:17 am

I know this is me being fastidious; but wouldn't technical ability require a good brain?

Nah, you can be good at bringing a ball under control, running fast (with and without the ball), passing even, but doesn't mean you've got the brain to decide when to pass or dribble, or where to pass to or what space to dribble into, etc.

Charlie Adams fried egg · « **Reply #69 on:** February 1, 2018, 09:48:57 am »

Quote from: Fido on February 1, 2018, 09:21:36 am

On the whole that is a good post but the Stepford Fans will not like it.

I am more hopeful than you are that we can still win the Champions Leage this season but like you I really cannot understand why our present owners failed to use the last few transfer windows to kick on. - (As it turns out AOC was the direct replacement for Philippe Courtinho with a few months delay in the Coutinho sale to hide the obvious. - Bummer)!

If the present owners lack the ambition to push on they should get off the pot; set a realistic price and sell to ambitious Arab Owner who have real ambition and deep pockets.

Ah, good to see the polarising of a discussion is alive and well.
Anyone who does not see the need to moan must, by definition, be a ....Stepford fan. Well done.
It is possible to have some concerns without feeling the need to exaggerate them to the point of parody and then clog up airwaves / twitter / fansites.

Everything wrong with the "I want" mentality neatly packaged in one post

cornelius · « **Reply #70 on:** February 1, 2018, 10:03:03 am »

Take a closer look at our rivals business that seems to be upsetting everybody. Throwing huge money at short term fixes like Sanchez, Giroud, Aubameyang etc.

But will it really do any of them any good? Have any of them really improved significantly? Not for me. At best these are stop gaps, kicking their longer term problems down the road. There's only 13 games left and at least 1 (hopefully 2) of United, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal will miss out on CL.

I'm already starting to think we've made a good call not diving in to the madness.

epsomred · « **Reply #71 on:** February 1, 2018, 10:21:10 am »

So typical of RAWK that an upbeat positive thread is quickly infected by a bunch of pessimists yearning for some fantasy owner spending his stolen money to turn us into another city.

We are 3rd in the league, we are still in the CL and at times we have looked brilliant this year. This is a club that was within hours of going into administration before the current owners came in. Look at Leeds that could so easily have been us.

I have given in to frustration at times like loads of other posters but the bigger long term picture looks good. If you just want to support a team that wins every week suggest you fuck off and follow the Harlem globe trotters.

Medellin · « **Reply #72 on:** February 1, 2018, 10:23:27 am »

Considering how some seem to think we are not playing so well,firing on all cylinders blah blah..
During the last 5 prem games we are the in form team & the only side with 4 wins outta 5.

Stick that in your pipe & smoke it.

red1977 · « **Reply #73 on:** February 1, 2018, 10:27:58 am »

Sensible OP.

With regards to your take on the Transfer startegy I think your bang on, If we had got Kieta, VVD, OX, Salah and Solanke and Coutinho went in the summer, people would not be moaning about replacements as much ,because they would already be here as things stand there is just Kieta missing. Ok, we look short if we get injuries in the front three, but we shouldnt be concerend too much about what hasnt happened and I am sure if it was a big enough concern to Klopp right now, he would have addressed it right now, If Klopps not sweating, neither am I.

You mention putting our bigger ambitions on hold, for me since Klopp came in it has always been a long term project, especially given the extended contract he signed. We are not ready to win the league yet especialy given the form of City, but we have caught up with the other lot for sure and coming second to this City side will be a good return and a solid platform to push on and win it. We are also in the knock out rounds of the Champs league, I doubt very much that Porto will sit in and park the bus especially over 2 legs which means we can use our pressing game effectively and can knock them out, you would think the same goes for sides in the quarters, we can do well, why not dream of winning it?. there's much to be possitive about right now and in the future.

Jookie · « **Reply #74 on:** February 1, 2018, 10:40:31 am »

Quote from: torbenpiechnik19 on February 1, 2018, 01:38:08 am

Seriously, its all well and good being positive, but we've basically stood still this year. We finished in the top 4 last year, may squeak in again. But that's it.

Spurs, United, Chelsea and City all improved this window. We sold our best player; lets see how the new CB fits in.

Getting Top 4 in consecutive seasons and getting to the KO stages of the CL is progress. Think it's 2009 since we have done both of those. That's 9 seasons ago.

It's not the be-all and end-all of our ambitions but it's positive steps in the right direction. It's defo not standing still if we achieve Top 4 this season. To suggest it is is absolutely ridiculous and pretty much negates anything else you have to say in your post.

The other aspect of this is that 4 into 6 doesn't go. If you are in that 4 for 2 seasons on the run there's a good chance you are harming the other 2 teams who miss out. I think the harming effect is less on Chelsea and United. They have the resources to compensate. Do Spurs though? Would a season out the Top 4 push players to look for a way out. Particularly since their top players could be paid more elsewhere. What about Arsenal? How does 2 seasons outside the CL affect them?

By getting Top 4 you don't stand still. Even if you do, you have a negative effect on the 2 teams that don't qualify.

redk84 · « **Reply #75 on:** February 1, 2018, 10:43:57 am »

We fucked up on the transfers last summer by not bringing in VVD/CB.
We fucked up on the transfers this winter by not signing a Coutinho replacement/letting him go in the first place if there was nobody to replace him with.

Those 2 statements can be true without the need to be a negative bastard....which is the situation I find myself in. What's done is done now....
I'm annoyed about what I've said above but I am still optimistic that we can finish atleast 3rd this season and maybe 2nd. Our chances have taken a hit by the transfer window and maybe even our chance for an FA Cup but atleast we do have VVD now....and if we can get a settled and confident back 4, a bit of a CL run aswell as a strong league finish it will be a positive end to the season. Back to back seasons with CL qualification is good and signs of progress.

Must cement our place in the top four first as quickly as possible. Make that gap and keep it.

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #76 on:** February 1, 2018, 10:44:30 am »

Quote from: Fido on February 1, 2018, 09:21:36 am

On the whole that is a good post but the Stepford Fans will not like it.

I am more hopeful than you are that we can still win the Champions Leage this season but like you I really cannot understand why our present owners failed to use the last few transfer windows to kick on. - (As it turns out AOC was the direct replacement for Philippe Courtinho with a few months delay in the Coutinho sale to hide the obvious. - Bummer)!

If the present owners lack the ambition to push on they should get off the pot; set a realistic price and sell to ambitious Arab Owner who have real ambition and deep pockets.

Thomas · « **Reply #77 on:** February 1, 2018, 11:15:45 am »

We are going to win our 6th European Cup this season and finish 3rd in the league.

Sudden Death Draft Loser · « **Reply #78 on:** February 1, 2018, 11:16:53 am »

Quote from: Thomas on February 1, 2018, 11:15:45 am

We are going to win our 6th European Cup this season and finish ~~3rd~~ 2nd in the league.

Nearly spot on

MonTheKuyt · « **Reply #79 on:** February 1, 2018, 11:26:45 am »

Quote from: wige on February 1, 2018, 09:45:06 am

Ugh.

No fucking thanks.

FSG aren't perfect, but fuck being another City, Chelsea or PSG who do next to nothing to earn their success.

I'm so close to losing all fucking interest in football. Its been patently obvious for about 20 years now that success is directly linked to how much wealth you have, rather than any sort of steady, continued development and improvement, backing good people, learning from mistakes and building something valuable and sustainable in itself.

If that's what you and others want, ultimately who the fuck am I to tell you it's wrong. I just know it's wrong to me, and you can have the club and sport all to yourselves once we go down that route.

Up the reds.

Perfectly put! Well done sir. I do not see the interest in being another PSG or City, It's like using cheat codes on a game. Where's the sense of accomplishment?