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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2017, 09:12:18 am »
I got the impression Stokes was trying to defend initially as well but rage seems to take over and the last punch, where he knocks the guy flat out, is the one that may do for Stokes as the guy seemed to have given up at that point.

That's pretty much my view on it too. Doesn't make pretty viewing. Especially as it looks like the guy he knocks out at the end smacks his head against the floor after he falls back. Stopping someone who is swinging a bottle around is one thing. Punching and kicking him whilst on the floor and following them to further engage is another.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2017, 11:18:07 am »
They shouldn't even have been out at that time in the middle of a series.
The video footage doesn't look good.

As for the Ashes squad I don't quite get the fascination with Jake Ball, would much rather have seen Plunkett in his place.
Crane is a bit odd too as he hasn't played a lot of red ball cricket recently, and the continued absence of Rashid is puzzling.
Ballance has had so many chances I am surprised they have gone with him, despite his good record for Yorkshire this season, would have preferred them to have gone with someone like Joe Denly at Kent.

I suppose some of the one's that missed our will be on the Lion's tour anyway so can be called upon if needed.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2017, 01:33:11 pm »
Various stories about this doing the rounds, but it's interesting that the videos originally released and reported show a guy with a bottle and it's feasible that Stokes was acting in defence. The recent edits of the video just show Stokes and Hales in a bad light.

You'd have thought the UK press would want to give the benefit of doubt to our best player(s), but it's just more important for them to sensationalise news or lie (not in this case) to sell more papers.

Silly for Stokes to lose his cool though regardless of the situation.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2017, 03:11:33 pm »
I don't see how the ECB can pick him. They sent players home for less.

Dan Roan has tweeted it could get worse for English cricket tonight

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2017, 03:34:07 pm »
I don't see how the ECB can pick him. They sent players home for less.

Dan Roan has tweeted it could get worse for English cricket tonight

They can only pick him I guess if he gets cleared of any charges, but given the video footage it's hard to see him not getting punished for it.

If we went to Australia with it still ongoing the press would be all over it constantly and it would have to have a big impact on the team.
Thing is he is such an important player it's hard to see us winning without him.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2017, 03:37:00 pm »
The media love a scandal, unsurprised to see that ridiculous non story on the rag today as they take for any scrap of dirt they can find on Stokes and stoke up (ha) people to feel all outraged.

The outcome of the arrest will play out in due course but the rest of the circus is typically nauseating.

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2017, 03:43:37 pm »
The media love a scandal, unsurprised to see that ridiculous non story on the rag today as they take for any scrap of dirt they can find on Stokes and stoke up (ha) people to feel all outraged.

The outcome of the arrest will play out in due course but the rest of the circus is typically nauseating.

Right on all fronts.

But I can't see a way that Stokes escapes punishment for what remains a nasty attack - if that video evidence is accurate.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #47 on: September 29, 2017, 04:31:55 pm »
Leach gets 9-111 this week for Somerset.

He must be gutted he's not in this squad.

Not sure what more he could have done.

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #48 on: September 29, 2017, 04:47:56 pm »
Leach gets 9-111 this week for Somerset.

He must be gutted he's not in this squad.

Not sure what more he could have done.

Agreed seems a bit odd.
I know also I keep going on about Ball but once again he has just gone for a lot of runs albeit in a one day game, 1 for 94.
I just don't see how he gets in the squad ahead of Plunkett, and others.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2017, 04:50:56 pm »
Agreed seems a bit odd.
I know also I keep going on about Ball but once again he has just gone for a lot of runs albeit in a one day game, 1 for 94.
I just don't see how he gets in the squad ahead of Plunkett, and others.

Plunkett's quicker, more miserly, and can score a few runs too. He's not perfect by any means, but in a superior class to Ball.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2017, 04:54:39 pm »
Yes the Ball selection is very - meh!

He could get smashed if he plays vs Australia.

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #51 on: September 29, 2017, 05:15:53 pm »
Plunkett's quicker, more miserly, and can score a few runs too. He's not perfect by any means, but in a superior class to Ball.

Yes the Ball selection is very - meh!

He could get smashed if he plays vs Australia.

Agreed, plus with no Wood we have nobody in the 90 mph bracket, which Plunkett would bring.

I genuinely don't see what the selectors see in Ball.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2017, 05:57:00 pm »
Stokes is a idiot.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2017, 08:21:12 pm »
Could only really have been worse for England if Root was involved instead of Hales, what disastrous timing. Hope it gets settled quickly but this is looking very worrying.

Anyway, I don't personally feel like we're heading for another whitewash but its certainly going to be an uphill struggle. Both teams have similar strengths and weaknesses, potent bowling attacks but an over-reliance on too few batsman. Their attack is nowhere near as hostile as it was in 13-14 but its still pretty fierce. If fit and firing Starc and Cummins are obviously sharp but I rate Hazlewood quite highly. Anyone remember Stuart Clark from the 2006-07 series? Reminds me of him, not express pace but good line and length. Was the leading wicket taker in that series too. Most of the other guys seem to be players we've seen in previous ashes series that have drifted in and out of the team, guys like Khawaja, Wade and Maxwell.

As for us, Joe Root never seems to not score runs anymore but so much will depend on Cook. His average against Australia is 39 (career 46) but that's boosted by the 127 he averaged in 2010-11 when Hilfenhaus and Beer were chucking pies and Mitchell Johnson was bowling left, right and shite. Needs a good series especially if we're going to be a senior batsman short in Stokes. Really hope Bairstow comes good this winter though, he's got a good technique and a shift up the order I think will be good for him. Give him some responsibility with the bat and I doubt he'll let you down, same goes for Moeen, they've got the ability to bat higher up the order than they are now.

With the bowling attack Broad with most likely be more useful than Jimmy. He was one of the few to come out of the last tour with any credit. If Stokes doesn't play really opens up a can of worms about the balance of the team. Do you bring in another batsman or bowler? Not sure what Overton brings in that Plunkett doesn't.


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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2017, 09:00:30 am »
What did they say the odds are on us losing 5-0?

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #55 on: October 4, 2017, 09:44:25 am »
What did they say the odds are on us losing 5-0?

10/1 best price now. Was 16/1 last week.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #56 on: October 4, 2017, 09:44:53 am »
James Pattinson: Australia fast bowler ruled out of Ashes with back injury

Pattinson was left out of the tour to Bangladesh in September with a lower-back stress fracture, which he suffered as a teenager.

The 27-year-old, who has 70 wickets from 17 Tests, took 32 wickets in five Championship matches for Nottinghamshire last summer.

He will take an indefinite break from bowling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41495505

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Pat Cummins is presently the only member of the aforementioned quartet to be fully fit, and is currently resting after the ODI series in India. Mitchell Starc is due to return from a foot injury for New South Wales in their next domestic limited-overs fixture, while Josh Hazlewood is in the latter stages of recovery from a side strain. Nathan Coulter-Nile, who bowled impressively in India, is now expected to be a part of Australia's Ashes squad in Pattinson's stead.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20910486/stricken-james-pattinson-ashes-contention
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #57 on: October 5, 2017, 09:22:16 am »
Not sure Cummins will last a full series with his record. So there's likely to be, er, cummins and goins...Both sides look to be pretty ordinary which will make for some low quality but entertaining cricket.

Re Stokes, Ian Botham captained a touring side in between being charged for assault and facing trial in 1981. He got off and then slayed the Aussies single handedly, It's an omen. Stokes should go unless he's been found guilty and banged up.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #58 on: October 6, 2017, 01:05:33 pm »
Finn added to Ashes Squad.

Stokes & Hales have had contracts renewed.

As things stand Stokes won't be going to Australia for The Ashes.

Formal written warnings & fines for Bairstow, Ball & Plunkett.

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #59 on: October 6, 2017, 04:10:36 pm »
So what’s the circumstances for Stokes going then? Found innocent?
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #60 on: October 6, 2017, 04:17:10 pm »
So what’s the circumstances for Stokes going then? Found innocent?

Presumably if no charges are brought. If it went to any kind of trial I assume they'd struggle to have it before the tour started?

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #61 on: October 6, 2017, 05:16:32 pm »
Finn's a lucky fellow.

So are Australia.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #62 on: October 12, 2017, 02:29:51 am »
Everyone get onto "The Grade Cricketer" if you haven't already.

Check out his (theirs) Twitter and Facebook - absolute gold.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #64 on: October 12, 2017, 10:00:34 am »
I see Stokes has had to apologise to Katie Price now as well after sponsor New Balance dropped him also.


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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #65 on: October 12, 2017, 11:20:21 am »
I see Stokes has had to apologise to Katie Price now as well after sponsor New Balance dropped him also.

No surprise. Can't imagine it is good for their rep to have someone who mocks disabled people on their books.

Any news in terms of the criminal charges for the punch up?
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2017, 12:10:03 pm »
That fucking apology :lmao

Fucking hell lad, we've all been there with our mates when we've taken the piss out of someone we probably shouldn't have done. 'When I was taking the piss out of Michael Jacksons voice, it was because of the struggle he went through every day and the massive amount of respect I had for him as an artist'.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2017, 12:43:54 pm »
Cummins threatens England with bouncers - surely he should just concentrate on playing the series, given his injury record?
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2017, 12:58:02 pm »
That fucking apology :lmao

Fucking hell lad, we've all been there with our mates when we've taken the piss out of someone we probably shouldn't have done. 'When I was taking the piss out of Michael Jacksons voice, it was because of the struggle he went through every day and the massive amount of respect I had for him as an artist'.

Probably should have just said nothing and ignored Jordan banging on about it. Someone was obviously muck raking after his arrest. Frankly, as poor taste as it may be if that's the worst they could find about him then fair play. Would have been forgotten about soon enough had he said nothing.

No news on if/when any charges will be brought and timings around that?

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2017, 12:59:14 pm »
No surprise. Can't imagine it is good for their rep to have someone who mocks disabled people on their books.


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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2017, 02:44:38 pm »
Any news in terms of the criminal charges for the punch up?

This has just come out:

England cricketer Ben Stokes will give a full explanation when the time is right after his arrest, says his agent.

The all-rounder, 26, was arrested on 26 September on suspicion of causing actual bodily harm following an incident near a Bristol nightclub.

"Ben will make public his full explanation and evidence when the time is right," said Neil Fairbrother.

"On legal advice, that is not possible whilst the investigation continues and no charges have been brought forward."

Former Lancashire and England batsman Fairbrother said Stokes does not wish to prejudice the legal process.
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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2017, 12:58:18 pm »
It might be the wrong thread for this (couldn't find a general cricket thread)...

Thoughts? I'm a traditionalist so would prefer 5 day tests to remain.

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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/oct/13/icc-test-world-championship-four-day-trial


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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2017, 01:02:40 pm »
It might be the wrong thread for this (couldn't find a general cricket thread)...

Thoughts? I'm a traditionalist so would prefer 5 day tests to remain.

ICC approves Test world championship and trial of four-day matches
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/oct/13/icc-test-world-championship-four-day-trial



Would be a shame to miss out on the slow burning classics that go deep into a fifth day. Not sure how ifthen that still happens but feels like you get a few more now than we did a few years ago.

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #73 on: October 14, 2017, 12:13:17 am »
I don't really get the point of 4 day Tests.

What's the reason for that change?

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #74 on: October 14, 2017, 12:55:04 am »
I don't really get the point of 4 day Tests.

What's the reason for that change?

The lack of a fifth day too frequently. They would rather sell tickets to 4 days of a test match, and in the majority of cases have 4 days play.

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #75 on: October 14, 2017, 09:15:23 am »
I wouldn’t mind it so much as an option if we moved to 115 over days or similar

Get the same amount of cricket in but over four days - perhaps keep day five as weather insurance

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #76 on: October 14, 2017, 09:40:54 am »
I think it's a dumb idea. It's fine saying play more overs in the 4 days but over rates are so shite these days so it seems that you'd have to play until about 10pm.

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #77 on: October 14, 2017, 09:59:29 am »
I think it's a dumb idea. It's fine saying play more overs in the 4 days but over rates are so shite these days so it seems that you'd have to play until about 10pm.

Or clamp down on overrates! Or start at 10am rather than 11am or combination of both to get it sorted

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #78 on: October 14, 2017, 10:02:33 am »
I just can't see what it's supposed to achieve.

most tests don't go to the 5th day anyway.

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Re: The Ashes: England in Australia 2017-18
« Reply #79 on: October 14, 2017, 10:29:53 am »
I just can't see what it's supposed to achieve.

most tests don't go to the 5th day anyway.

Means they can squeeze itineraries further if they're scheduled to last a day less. They won't have any contingency for a fifth day if there is a washout.