Topic: LC: Leicester 2 v Liverpool 0 (Okazaki 65, Slimani 78)

[James55]

Yea we are winning loads of trophies..don't give me shite saying we are better out off this comp..are our fan base this watered down? Top 4 trophy..if it is give ur head a wobble

[Diomedieocre]

We have too many brainless and cowardly fans who go missing when the going gets tough.

Just fixed that for you.

[Red78]

I think we'll win there, lots of people have been rested. I'd take a win in the EPL over this shit cup any day of the week.

Amen, but we just cannot bdefend for sh1t. I think we will lose 4-1. How times have changed since the Arsenal game BH weekend.

[Giono]

The last time we won this cup the manager was fired. If you think this has put Klopp's job in jeopardy you are mistaken.


What we did achieve:


1 more match for Phil coming back from his 'back injury'
1  full match for Chamberlain in his bedding in to our intensity and tactics
45 minutes for Woodburn
90 minutes for Gomez in central defence
90 minutes for Solsnke


All against a PL opponent, not some League 1 club.


It may not seem like it now, but we made progress towards a decent season despite losing.

[Lycan]

The last time we won this cup the manager was fired. If you think this has put Klopp's job in jeopardy you are mistaken.

Who is even saying his jobs under threat, or he should be sacked, apart from a couple of blerts on social media and a few dickhead pundits?

[Koplad83]

5 of those from one freakish match.

A DM is not the answer to beating Barnsley and Leicester City...scoring is.

We've conceded 16 in 9 games

[Koplad83]

Winning this trophy would have given this young squad of ours, a squad that lacks players who have experienced what it's like to win something, the chance to win something. That's why I'm annoyed about last nights game. And that's why I can't get my head around posters who aren't even arsed about the competition. I know people will say, we don't have a big enough squad to compete in 4 competitions(another sore point for me, because by now we should have), but there is no guarantee going out of the league cup will ensure we have a great season in the other 3 competitions either. After all winning breeds confidence and winning trophies brings the experience and know how to go on to win even bigger and more prestigious trophies in the future as well.

Exactly this competition could be a god send if we are doing shite in everything else

[KopThat]

It could always be a lot worse
https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/910181700893904896

[Zend...en the clowns]

We haven't won a trophy in ten years and always amazes me how much we think these competitions are beaneath us.

The really concerning thing for me is that irrespective of the starting xi the same issues are endemic; wasteful up top, poor decision making in the final third, vulnerable in behind, mistakes across the back five, inability to manage games effectively.

Can't blame Klopp entirely for those but do think he's being let down massively by players he's backed publicly time and time again. His loyalty is admirable but it's difficult to see lovren, migs, hendo, Moreno, being able to perform to the level expected of them by Klopp and fans consistently.

I don't think it's particularly knee jerk to question why after 2 years and numerous windows, with the last one being promised as a landmark one, that we still have the same deficiencies which countless managers - (allardyce, pulls, dyche, pardew, Hughes - all of whom we take the piss out of) have exploited.

[Lycan]

We haven't won a trophy in ten years and always amazes me how much we think these competitions are beaneath us.

The really concerning thing for me is that irrespective of the starting xi the same issues are endemic; wasteful up top, poor decision making in the final third, vulnerable in behind, mistakes across the back five, inability to manage games effectively.

Can't blame Klopp entirely for those but do think he's being let down massively by players he's backed publicly time and time again. His loyalty is admirable but it's difficult to see lovren, migs, hendo, Moreno, being able to perform to the level expected of them by Klopp and fans consistently.

I don't think it's particularly knee jerk to question why after 2 years and numerous windows, with the last one being promised as a landmark one, that we still have the same deficiencies which countless managers - (allardyce, pulls, dyche, pardew, Hughes - all of whom we take the piss out of) have exploited.

Good post mate.

[Giono]

We haven't won a trophy in ten years and always amazes me how much we think these competitions are beaneath us.

The really concerning thing for me is that irrespective of the starting xi the same issues are endemic; wasteful up top, poor decision making in the final third, vulnerable in behind, mistakes across the back five, inability to manage games effectively.

Can't blame Klopp entirely for those but do think he's being let down massively by players he's backed publicly time and time again. His loyalty is admirable but it's difficult to see lovren, migs, hendo, Moreno, being able to perform to the level expected of them by Klopp and fans consistently.

I don't think it's particularly knee jerk to question why after 2 years and numerous windows, with the last one being promised as a landmark one, that we still have the same deficiencies which countless managers - (allardyce, pulls, dyche, pardew, Hughes - all of whom we take the piss out of) have exploited.

Those managers are trying to win/draw a handfull of matches to secure enough points to stay up. They adopt severely linited tactics that allow them to get lucky once in a while against sides thst play football. Barnsley took points from Spurs and Chelsea.

Oh ya, Barnsley lost to Chanpionship side Leeds yesterday. Why? They can't suddenly play football.

Stoke lost to Bristol too.

[KopThat]

We haven't won a trophy in ten years and always amazes me how much we think these competitions are beaneath us.

Apart from the League Cup in 2011-12

"No other team comes close to our tally of eight League Cups, which have been won over the course of 12 final appearances. The trophy was last brought home to Anfield in 2012 courtesy of victory over Cardiff City at Wembley"

We haven't won a trophy for 5 years

and what have those Romans ever done for us !

Oh ya, Barnsley lost to Chanpionship side Leeds yesterday. Why? They can't suddenly play football.

Sorry just pedant in me, Burnley and a stunning Brady free kick nearly 6 minutes into first half added time
to make it 2 - 2 and extra time, with Leeds winning on penalties

[dorsetgill]

First half good.second half rubbish.lets hope we can change things saturday

[Frank Becton]

Gutted as it was a chance to win something.
Totally dominant first half but nothing to show for it, we lack a top class predator in the box to put some of these chances away.
Fowler must have his head in his hands every game.

Every time we take a corner nothing comes of it, every time our opponents do we look like conceding a goal.

Less said about the defence the better, teams know we are vulnerable and you sense our players do too.
Can't see a way forward, Klopp seriously messed up not bringing at least one centre back in and even just a few games in we are suffering because of it.

I think that is 16 goals conceded in all competitions so far, just under 2 per game.

Hard to know what he can do to turn it around but the fact is if anything we are getting worse, he needs to find a solution or the pressure will just build on him.

[rkgriffin]

It could always be a lot worse
https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/910181700893904896

I will admit I was expecting something related to Everton but that was dire. 

[Gonebay]

Today morning I am not feeling that bad about the result. It was just league cup and we didn't go with our strongest team. Klopp has his priorities and league cup is way below in that list. So not too fussed.

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

The way we cede the space right in front of the centre backs in open play is just....*shrug*. We've got numbers in situations like this, good, it's where they need to move where it's a SNAFU.

We should be beating them but fine, reserve run out, league cup, champions league season, hurts that it's one less trophy but there are solid reasons for the backups. No solid reason for not having the most basic of useful movement in defence. It's like a reverse Guardiola (one of his comments). We'll get you in there, in the defensive third, but once there you figure it out mein lieben.

Just beat these in the league. Do we want the season to even get off the ground, come on.

[Frank Becton]

Today morning I am not feeling that bad about the result. It was just league cup and we didn't go with our strongest team. Klopp has his priorities and league cup is way below in that list. So not too fussed.

I feel bad, it was probably our best chance to win something and we could do with some silverware.
It's naive to say it was just the League Cup, we aren't going to win the league or the CL with our defence so our best chance of some glory is one the 2 cup competitions, one of which we are now out of.

[Bruce Springsteen]

Another rut has set in. Hopefully we get out of it soon but we don't bounce back well at all. Very reliant on Mane and our number 10. Not a great situation that.

[Fitzy.]

Honestly can't believe we paid that much money for Oxlade-Chamberlain,9 goals in 132 Arsenal apperances!

Or...let's wait and see what Klopp does with him

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

Do we look a lot worse without Lallana, Salah, Mane and Coutinho? Yes, yes we do. Hmm.

[idontknow]

It could always be a lot worse
https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/910181700893904896

Now that's a serious contender to their previous hit, Top 4 is our everything, or whatever it was.

[RedKenWah]

This competition represented a chance for those players who don't normally play a lot to have played. There is no way that being knocked out at the first possible hurdle is any good. It means less games for the likes of Danny Ward, Ben Woodburn, Gruijc, and maybe to some lesser extent Alex Oxlaide Chamberlain...

A trophy at the end of the day is a trophy and winning them is what we all want. We don't have any right to pick and choose what trophy is good enough for us, the way we are, we should be respecting any opportunity to win something.

[El Lobo]

The media have turned on Klopp, I don't know why this is but it has happened, they will drive him out over the next few months with the help of those mindless supporters that believe all they hear on talkshite or read in the red tops.

That's why. They go with what gets clicks and likes, and with way too many Liverpool 'supporters' questioning him, abusing him and doubting his ability to get things right that has led to the media jumping all over it.

Hard to know what he can do to turn it around but the fact is if anything we are getting worse, he needs to find a solution or the pressure will just build on him.

Exhibit A.

[nico 8]

We haven't won a trophy in ten years and always amazes me how much we think these competitions are beaneath us.

The really concerning thing for me is that irrespective of the starting xi the same issues are endemic; wasteful up top, poor decision making in the final third, vulnerable in behind, mistakes across the back five, inability to manage games effectively.

Can't blame Klopp entirely for those but do think he's being let down massively by players he's backed publicly time and time again. His loyalty is admirable but it's difficult to see lovren, migs, hendo, Moreno, being able to perform to the level expected of them by Klopp and fans consistently.

I don't think it's particularly knee jerk to question why after 2 years and numerous windows, with the last one being promised as a landmark one, that we still have the same deficiencies which countless managers - (allardyce, pulls, dyche, pardew, Hughes - all of whom we take the piss out of) have exploited.

I suggest you look in recent years to see how far we have gone into this competition without actually winning it. The team sent out was good enough to win it. No one didn't take it seriously. Not great to lose but surely you can see the bigger picture in what Klopp is trying to build here.  There are priorities and whilst winning trophies is why we exist, the bigger picture is to build something long term and sustainable. The same very fans who are throwing their toys because of a loss in, and  let's be honest, a competition that has lost its' gloss due to the clubs of their own accord degrading the competition are the first to shout from the rooftops that we should bin Coutinho and have taken the money. Last night showed why players like Coutinho are a level above and that we should be doing everything possible to keep him and build a team around him.
I look at the Leceister fans who hounded Ranieri out of their club in the very next season after having one an improbable league title. Are our fans any different?? we go through a bad spell and every Tom Dick and Harry think they have the right to vent. This negativity adds fuel to those with an agenda who revel in our failure. Give the man time even if it takes 5-7 years. We have already waited 27 years. As long as there is progress, we can have no complaints. The players in defence are not the long term solution. Klopp more than anyone knows that. But everyone knows better. Put Gomez at CB. He is part of a defence that concedes soft goals-therefore must be crap. Moreno hasn't played in the last 2 games but is brought into the discussion by some posters. Robertson has been given his chance and is part of the defence that has let in the soft goals. He is excused as he great. So much blind inconsistency from week to week.
People need to calm down. Progress is being made albeit at a pace that some fans do not have the patience for. Klopp only wants VVD - respect that. Our failure to land him is a set back. We will try again in the next window.
We expect players to show composure and yet our fans have a wobbly each time we fail to win a game. To answer your question- YES- it is a knee-jerk reaction to ask after 2 years we have the same deficiencies. He is aware of the deficiencies and will upgrade  the personnel who simply aren't good enough. It is a process and a challenge to find the suitable replacement.

[jillcwhomever]

That's why. They go with what gets clicks and likes, and with way too many Liverpool 'supporters' questioning him, abusing him and doubting his ability to get things right that has led to the media jumping all over it.

Exhibit A.

That bit in particular is true, it is how the media work. It doesn't help that we have so many ex players keen to jump on the bandwagon as well, and as ever because they are players they lack the insight to understand the problems, so its the usual cliches.

[nico 8]

That bit in particular is true, it is how the media work. It doesn't help that we have so many ex players keen to jump on the bandwagon as well, and as ever because they are players they lack the insight to understand the problems, so its the usual cliches.

You would think that our fanbase would have learnt from Rafa's demise.

[jillcwhomever]

This competition represented a chance for those players who don't normally play a lot to have played. There is no way that being knocked out at the first possible hurdle is any good. It means less games for the likes of Danny Ward, Ben Woodburn, Gruijc, and maybe to some lesser extent Alex Oxlaide Chamberlain...

A trophy at the end of the day is a trophy and winning them is what we all want. We don't have any right to pick and choose what trophy is good enough for us, the way we are, we should be respecting any opportunity to win something.

How did we not respect it? The team put out was good enough to win to win the game, we didn't put ten kids on so I really don't get what you are saying. That first half the only thing we didn't do was score, Leicester were not even at the races. Had we managed to score it would be us in the next round, not them.

[Frank Becton]

That bit in particular is true, it is how the media work. It doesn't help that we have so many ex players keen to jump on the bandwagon as well, and as ever because they are players they lack the insight to understand the problems, so its the usual cliches.

That's true and we have a lot of ex players in the media, but he has had 3 windows now to try and resolve what has been a bug problem for us, bad defending.
And the only player brought in has been Klavan.

I like Klopp, his character , his passion, his love for the club - but if we keep conceding goals his methods and judgement are bound to come under scrutiny.

[hide5seek]

First half good.second half rubbish.lets hope we can change things saturday

What? Like first half rubbish, second half good?

[El Lobo]

You would think that our fanbase would have learnt from Rafa's demise.

Would you? 

I wouldn't.

[jillcwhomever]

You would think that our fanbase would have learnt from Rafa's demise.

You get the impression that with some they feel they have some sort of power. That is the biggest danger of twitter you will get someone sprouting shite and it pulls others in especially if its what they want to hear.

[jooneyisdagod]

That's true and we have a lot of ex players in the media, but he has had 3 windows now to try and resolve what has been a bug problem for us, bad defending.
And the only player brought in has been Klavan.

I like Klopp, his character , his passion, his love for the club - but if we keep conceding goals his methods and judgement are bound to come under scrutiny.

Right, so do you have a set point by which time you want the defence sorted? What is your "deadline"?

[hide5seek]

Today morning I am not feeling that bad about the result. It was just league cup and we didn't go with our strongest team. Klopp has his priorities and league cup is way below in that list. So not too fussed.

Same as Leicester then?

[jillcwhomever]

It's getting to that stage. If ever a manager needed a win, it's this JK this Saturday. If we lose again I'd sack him & get King Kenny back to steady the ship until we get a PROVEN world class manger in.

You what? You would sack him if he doesn't get a win on Saturday. OMG, and you wonder why we don't get success when we have fans who think flitting from one manager to another is the answer. 

[hide5seek]

That's true and we have a lot of ex players in the media, but he has had 3 windows now to try and resolve what has been a bug problem for us, bad defending.
And the only player brought in has been Klavan.

I like Klopp, his character , his passion, his love for the club - but if we keep conceding goals his methods and judgement are bound to come under scrutiny.

You sure it's only Klven? Have a little think.

[Frank Becton]

Right, so do you have a set point by which time you want the defence sorted? What is your "deadline"?

First window he was new to the club and we had a window where many were sold, getting unbelievable money in for a lot of players (hence the negative net spend thing).
January window always difficult I guess.
This summer window though priority was a centre back, at least one - we messed up on Van Dijk and didn't have a plan b. Result is we are shipping goals in nearly every game.

Will he sign a centre back in January, I don't know.

Will we have to wait until next summer, probably.

[Frank Becton]

You sure it's only Klven? Have a little think.

The only centre half I meant.

[nico 8]

You sure it's only Klven? Have a little think.

Thats' the point right there. He is factually incorrect but still thinks he has the right to vent and Klopp's "methods and judgment are bound to come under scrutiny".

[Red78]

You what? You would sack him if he doesn't get a win on Saturday. OMG, and you wonder why we don't get success when we have fans who think flitting from one manager to another is the answer. 

It's nearly two years since he arrived. When he arrived the defence was a shambles. 23 months later it's STILL a shambles.
He's the manager, it's his job to improve all aspects of the team. He hasn't. Time for a breath of fresh air. I LOVE JK, i really do, but the whole footballing world can see our problem & he can't see it. And he even wears glasses!