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Owlez, Owlez, Owlez - The Roy Hodgson Appreciation Thread.
« on: September 11, 2017, 07:12:26 pm »


He's back. Some call him Uncle Hodgson, some call him The Owl, some call him Hodgosaurus - no matter what you call him, you'll always know him certainly as Liverpool's worst ever manager and quite probably (IMO) England's worst ever manager too.

The man who didn't seem to mind too much when his Liverpool team lost to Everton, whose Liverpool team lost at home to Northampton Town, Wolves and Blackpool, took us to the relegation places, alienated the fans and signed some of the worst players to ever pull on the red shirt.

The man who despite his 40 years in management, has NEVER won a trophy outside the mighty Swiss and Scandinavian leagues or finished in the top 5 in the Premier League. His England team were knocked out of Euro 2016 by 133rd in the world ranked Iceland.

It's for all of these reasons and countless others that I find it shocking to see that once again, Roy Hodgson is to be the manager of a Premier League club - how does he keep getting these jobs? I honestly believed that after Euro 2016 I'd never again see his jowls wobbling on my TV screen or hear him flapping his gums as he tries to explain that a 3-0 loss at home is the best result the fans could hope for.

People will argue that Hodgson has a record of keeping smaller teams up, but surely in this era of football, the Crystal Palace hierarchy cannot seriously believe that a 70 year old man with his track record is the way forward for them?

I didn't rate De Boer personally, but are there no other managers out there that Palace could have lured? Harry Redknapp is one just off the top of my head that makes far more sense than the man who once proclaimed that his track record puts him in the same category as Alex Ferguson.  :o

So here's to another season of Hodgson, please, this time, let it be the last.
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 07:22:37 pm »
Surely there's no way Iceland were/are ranked 133rd?  :o

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2017, 09:33:29 pm »
*correction

4 years before the game against England, Iceland dropped as low as 133rd in the world ranking.
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2017, 09:35:42 pm »
*correction

4 years before the game against England, Iceland dropped as low as 133rd in the world ranking.

Might be why he went on a boat ride through the Seine instead of watching Iceland play before their match with England.
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2017, 11:18:57 pm »
I wonder if Palace will get a victory as famous as our 1-0 away win against Bolton in 2010?

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2017, 01:17:05 am »
Can't stand the miserable owl-faced twat. Sacked by Christmas with Palace rock bottom please, then we'll see how much Palace are prepared to up their offer to Fat Sam to ride to the rescue again...

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2017, 02:24:59 am »
Couldn't care less about him or Palace, I'm just glad he isn't coaching our national team any more.
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2017, 02:37:58 am »
Could somebody clever post his ball skills... you know the one... just want to see it again. Kills me everytime.

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2017, 02:46:14 am »
This one ?

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2017, 07:04:38 am »
Did he not win the Swiss super cup with Neuchatell xamax?
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2017, 07:38:13 am »
Did he not win the Swiss super cup with Neuchatell xamax?

You even have to ask?!

I don't know.

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2017, 07:39:43 am »
he truly has the best agent in the world. utter joke of a man

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2017, 09:46:37 am »
How many years experience now then?
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2017, 09:57:22 am »
Memories.....

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Hodgson on Hodgson:

"Of course, my track record, if people bothered to study it, would put me in the same category as [Alex] Ferguson enjoys today, but people don't talk about what I've done outside England"
- 8 years ago

"It is insulting to suggest that because you move to a new club, your methods suddenly don't work when they've held you in good stead for 35 years and made you one of the most respected coaches in Europe. It's unbelievable. My methods have translated from Halmstads to Malmo, to Orebro, to Neuchatel Xamax, to the Swiss national team and many other jobs as well.
--- Roy talks about his astonishing resume and expresses his bemusement at why what worked for Malmö & Neuchatel Xamax shouldn't also work for Liverpool FC.

"Everyone I know in football respects the job I’m doing here and aren’t too surprised it hasn’t been an easy start. In fact, 95 per cent would have predicted it as [Jose] Mourinho did. ‘Liverpool will get worse and worse’ is what he said and if the great man Mourinho says it, I don’t know why you don’t quote him.
--- Roy argues that since even Mourinho think he would do a terrible job, it's alright.

"Clubs have virtually been destroyed by people making bad decisions. It's not because the owners haven't given money or supported the manager. It's just that they have brought in the wrong people”
- Roy finally gets one right

Hodgson on others:

"The protest does not help but it is something I have had to live with since I came to the club,"
--- Roy shows his heartful relationship with the fans

“Are you from Denmark?” “No, Norway,” replied the journalist. “Ah, two countries I never want to work in again.”
--- Hodgson solidifies his relationship with Liverpool's strong Scandinavian fanbase.

“Rijkaard has just been sacked from Galatasaray - he must be a great manager to have been sacked by Galatasaray!”
--- Hodgson reacts to stirrings in the press linking Rijkaard to his position. Nevermind the fact Rijkaard never commented on the speculation himself.


Post Match Analysis:

"It would have been a shame if we beat Birmingham today"
--- Fair is fair, Roy doesn't really mind a draw.

"to be honest it would have been unfortunate for them if we'd won the game tonight"
– Roy being equally sympathetic to Uthrecht.

“that famous victory against Trabzonspor”
--- Hodgson remembers a special night in Turkey. No, not the CL final in Istanbul. The qualifying leg for the Europa League has quickly been written into the annals of liverpool lore.

“The second half was as good as I have seen a Liverpool team under my management play, that is for sure,” he said. “I think it was a very good second-half performance. I am refusing to accept it was a bad team performance.We did not score goals and Everton did, but I refuse to sit here and accept we were in any way outplayed or in any way inferior.”
--- Hodgson after a 2-0 loss to Everton

”I’m pretty sure I’ll be backed up by David Moyes, our performance today was a good one. I can’t ask more of the players than they’ve given the club. Everton were fortunate enough to be able to defend on the back of a two-goal cushion. I think it might have been a different story had they not had the two-goal cushion. To get a result here and win the game would have been utopia. But I can only analyse the performance and there is no point in attempting to analyse dreams."
--- Hodgson analyses the facts after the 2-0 defeat at Goodison, finds that his team could have gotten a point if only Everton hadn't scored two goal, classed the defeat the best performance of the season and judged it utopia to think his team could have won in the first place.

"We allowed Everton to get on top of us in the first 20 minutes by passing the ball too short and never turning them round. I saw the statistics the other day from the Everton game and I've never in my Premier League career seen statistics as positive as they were in terms of passing, accuracy and tempo of passing, number of shots and crosses. Those statistics hearten you because you know you are not playing badly but they don't get you any points. We had the same level of passing and intensity against Blackburn but we were much more incisive, getting behind them down the flanks more. Jamie Carragher was bombing forward like Carlos Alberta of old. It was the right sort of performance; we've got to give another 29 like that and if we can do that then we won't go too far wrong."
--- Hodgson revisits the game a week later and finds that the defeat was statistically the best performance in his premier league career.

"I don't think we can play a lot better than we did against Blackburn. With the team we have at the moment, if people expect us to really play a lot better football than we did for 70 minutes at the start of the Blackburn game they are going to be asking a lot. What could happen is we could get a lot more goals for that performance but I don't think we could play better.”
--- Roy evidently does not believe the sky is the limit after a scrappy home win vs Blackburn

On Motivating his players:

"He did well but the fact is he came on in extra-time and people were tiring. We think Jonjo Shelvey is a player with a bright future, but I have to say I am not in the mood for talking about positives.”
--- Roy provides encouragement for a young fringe player, by insisting he only impressed because the opposition was tired. And he didn't feel like talking about a good performance from him anyway.

"No doubt if, by January, he hasn't succeeded in convincing me that he is the player we need then he will have to accept we will be in the transfer market for a centre-forward once again.
--- Roy gives Ryan Babel a motivational boost in the press.

”I don't want to be taking people's leftovers. We've got those types of players ourselves.”
- Roy gives another vote of confidence in his players.

“Agger missed two weeks with the injury he picked up in the Sunderland game but he made a miraculous recovery in order to go and play for Denmark where he got injured again."
--- Roy doesn't feel above sarcastic critiques of his own players in public.

"we get two good ones back, but lose a good one in kuyt"
– Roy after Torres and Konchesky were passed fit, but Kuyt and Agger weren't.

“I shouldn’t get involved in that. Sir Alex is entitled to any opinion he wants to have.”
- Roy backs his star striker after Ferguson brands Torres a cheat.

I don't know if I would have considered using Fernando had David Ngog been fit. But he isn't and, having had a chat with Fernando, I think he'll enjoy it. It's not as if he'll be playing with a bunch of also-rans. I'm not asking him to play in the reserves.
--- Roy thinks highly of his reserve team.

“At the moment arguably one or two of the players that you are suggesting are very different to the Fulham players. Maybe there not playing any better than the Fulham players played.”
--- Hodgson bigs up his team by suggesting they are about on par with his Fulham in quality.

"I think I'd have to say we'd cross that bridge when we come to it. I am pretty sure when a great player like Wayne Rooney is looking to leave his club, Manchester United will be in a position to target an awful lot of players around the world. They will have the opportunity to replace him with many star strikers around the world, so all I can say is I am not naive to the situation. I am not naive enough to think there is no danger we will ever lose a player like Fernando Torres.”
--- Roy looks to end a 46-year mutual transfer embargo between the two arch-rivals by issuing a 'come and get him' plea to Alex Ferguson concerning his star striker.

"I was involved in the discussion with him, but the initiative and the desire to take Joe did come from the managing director perhaps more so than myself... ...He's not so much a player I can really take responsibility for.”
- Roy makes a point of disowning Joe Cole's suitability for Liverpool with a stirring 'the son I never wanted' assesment.


On the Squad and transfer strategy:

”We were unbelievably over-staffed when I came to the club and, if the truth be known, we still are over-staffed.”
- Hodgson thinks the squad has too many players in september

"I preferred to put my weight behind David Ngog and Ryan Babel, who's never really been given a proper chance at centre-forward at the club. We have Fernando Torres, we have good players who can play behind a lone striker."
- A day later, he backs his strikeforce as more than adequate.

A club like Liverpool shouldn't have to rely on non-specialists like Dirk Kuyt or Ryan Babel ‘doing a job’ up front when they are primarily wide players. ...The first thing people say when I walk down the street is ‘We need a front player’. They can't all be wrong and we aren't that stupid either.
- About a month later, he is singing from a different hymn sheet.

I have a very clear picture now of what we should and need to be doing and the squad is stronger and getting stronger. It was probably stronger than I realised at certain stages in the early part of the season when we were losing games. Hopefully that will mean we won't need to do too much in the January transfer window
– A month later, in November, Roy is feeling optimistic about his squad again.

”Unless there is a major influx of cash into the club and the team is going to be changed from one moment to the next, then whoever takes my place will be doing a similar job with similar players.”
- A month later still, there can be no improvement whatsoever without major investment.

"I accept I may make a rod for my own back by not bringing in people, but we are targeting players whose clubs don't want to let go even if we offer them good money, and that makes it tricky," he explained. "However if by any chance Fulham, Blackburn or Stoke are willing to release such players then I am sure we would be an appealing prospect as Liverpool is arguably the second most important club in the country"


On goals and ambitions for the club:

'I believe, and I've got a track record that demonstrates it, that I can take the existing players, get much better performances out of them and buy constructively to build for a better future. The number one priority is to try and help the team do a bit better than last year and get back into those Champions League spots, where the club has always been and still wants to be.”
--- Hodgson is optimistic he can improve on 7th at the start of the season

"Our goal at the start of the season was to compete for a Champions League place, but perhaps that means you are automatically going to compete for the league because quite often the difference between first and fourth place isn't a vast number of points. If we are good enough to get into the top four, who knows, maybe we can get closer to the number one position.”
--- Roy remains ambitious despite a loss at Old Trafford

"I would accuse you of being unrealistic if you are suggesting we should be doing what Arsenal, who have had the same team for the last six years, and Chelsea, who have just won the league, are doing.. We finished seventh last season. I don't understand why you are suggesting we should be comparing ourselves every day with Chelsea or Manchester United at this early stage of the season."
--- What he was saying a little while later.

"I can guarantee that at the end of the season we won't be sitting there at the bottom.” –
A little while later still, expectations had been downsized further.   

“Maybe what we have realised is there is plenty of work to do here but I am certainly very satisfied with the job I have done here and I don’t feel any dissatisfaction whatsoever.” –
After getting out of the relegation zone, Roy is quite happy with 9th place.

“I’m at a club where people expect great things. When we’re nearer the middle of the table than the top, people will suggest, ‘If someone else was here it would be different’. I’m not sure that’s the case. A lot of intelligent people understand that.”
--- Roy argues midtable is the best that can be attained under any circumstances. And that you're stupid if you disagree.

”Judge me after ten games.”
--- Roy sets the time frame for reasonably evaluating a manager's performance early in the season.

It is starting to feel more like my side,but it is still a team that I have not put together. I want to make that clear. I took the team over and I have not made that many changes... ...So to really call it my team, I would have had to make a slightly bigger impact on those who have been brought in. I am more than happy to take responsibility for this squad but it takes a coach more than five or six months to make his stamp on a club. I am hoping we will do some good business in transfer windows to come and then I will be able say, ‘If you don’t like it then I have no one to blame but myself’.
--- of course, it's not really his team and he'd need his own players to really make a difference.

On pre-match motivation:

"Having a game of this magnitude coming so early in our time here isn't exactly ideal. I'm hoping we'll give it our best shot and give a good account of ourselves. Then we'll see what the game brings.”
- Roy feeling upbeat before the Manu game.

”They'll be a formidable challenge - there's no question about that.”
- Roy on league two giants Northampton. Who did indeed prove too formidable as Liverpool crashed out of the league at Anfield against them.



Performance vs results:


"It's pointless to try and be positive and say the second half was better and we could have got an equaliser because we lost the game:”
– Roy's perspective after losing to Blackpool at Anfield.

"I am confident we can get out of the situation we are in and I base that on our performance at Manchester United, which is a very difficult place to go and play. And I will base it on our performance at Everton, which is another very difficult place to go and play."
--- A bit later, two losses can be encouraging stuff after all.



On Away Games:

“I’m afraid in this league away victories are hard to come by I believe if we continue to play the way we did against West Ham we may get one or two.”
- Roy sets the bar high.

”we are not stupid. We know that if you go to Tottenham it could be two defeats in nine but if we play like we did against West Ham we can make sure Tottenham don’t have a cake-walk. And if we can keep Fernando Torres and David Ngog firing we may spring a surprise.”
--- Roy is not expecting much at white hart lane.

"I've had several bad experiences," he said. "Even at Halmstad in the 70s, in the year we won our second championship, it took until the second half of the season to win our first game away and that broke a record going back two seasons. We went over two seasons without winning an away game, which is quite strange for a team that won the league in '76 and again in '79."
- Roy in an astonishing display of lacking self-awareness, fails to spot the red thread in his away record over 35 years.




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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2017, 10:02:21 am »
Wow, what a man.

Those quotes are fucking dismal.

Even feel slightly sorry for Palace fans. Then I remember the 4-3. Fuck off ;D
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2017, 10:04:21 am »
A few things

He is a good LMA man. He's also beloved by the FA because he puts association ahead of team at all instances. When he was at Liverpool he was quick to praise British managers and frequently demonstrated that his own belief was that his calling was higher than a single club. One of the reasons he failed spectacularly at Liverpool was because he treated it like any other club, as a stepping stone to his real interest, managing England. Hardly likely to endear him to the fans, but helps explain his enduring popularity at FA committee level.

His entire career up to the point where he took over England had two successes writ large; managing Inter and saving Fulham. That was enough to swing him the top national job in England, astonishing. Was he the worse England manager ever? Tough call, he did qualify the English team for two tournaments, so that puts him ahead of the likes of Graham Taylor. However, it has become easier to qualify for World cups and Euro cups in the last decade or so, what with new rules and expanded formats. He also took England to the 1/4 finals of a Euros, but largely with another managers team and tactics.

In his first campaign proper he qualified out of an easy group, went to the WC and then took 1 point from 3 games, crashing out at the group stages. So, while arguably not the worst England manager ever, he certainly was the poorest performing England manager at a WC.

His next stint was at the 2016 Euros. Again, straightforward qualification was followed by an underwhelming group stage (second in an easy group after two draws and 1 win) and an exit to Iceland, an unfancied side that performed at a high level at the tournament. Again, from a Hodgson perspective Iceland were hardly pushovers, before during and after the England game (and everyone remembers Denmark doing something similar). Still, like much of Hodgson's career, underwhelming.

Therein lies the key to what is wrong with Hodgson. He persistently underperforms, his tactics and approach ensuring the sides he manages deliver at a level below their true ability. Unlike managers that get the best out of players, Hodgson works hard to only get certain results from his players. So, while the likes of Taylor may have had moments of disaster, arguably Hodgson has been more damaging to the England side by being there 4 years and inculcating a loser mentality into the England national team.

Similarly Liverpool are arguably still struggling from some of Hodgson's legacy. Liverpool still appear brittle and mentally fragile as a side. Compare the mental toughness of a Benitez side with the problems inherited and never fully dealt with by Dalglish and Rodgers. It would appear that during his short reign Hodgson amplified the problems created by poor ownership and leadership at the club. Those problems, arguably started with Hodgson but continue to resonate to today.

That is what makes Hodgson such a dangerous appointment, the air of defeatism and inferiority he brings to a club or side, that persists long after he has left.
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2017, 10:21:08 am »
Fucking hellfire them quotes :lmao

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2017, 10:48:04 am »
Fucking hellfire them quotes :lmao

An absolute walking parody

Just incredible aren't they, what a fuckin tool he was. 
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2017, 10:48:14 am »
I suspect it's all about getting a Gong now, the last tick in the checkbox list of his career achievements, Services to Football or something like that. Arise Sir Roy...

He's undoubtedly been an adept networker par excellence, always buttering up the right people and maintaining connections to facilitate promotion to levels beyond his abilities, and as I suggested when he was first appointed here, his ego seems unbound and totally untrammelled by failures as they are always claimed to be the fault of others or due to circumstances outside his control.

We've likely all met similar people in our lives at some stage and watched with bewilderment as they've climbed the greasy pole within organisations, and despite their consistent failures or obvious unsuitability for the job and their general lacklustre performance, them still constantly being further promoted or lauded for inexplicable reasons, while we've been stuck at the bottom.
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2017, 10:56:28 am »
I hope opposition teams treat him to that Icelandic slow hand clap shout thing. That'd be fun.

God knows bellend England fans used to give Gerrard enough shit, for daring to be their best player in generations. So surely they have enough hatred and bitterness in them to give Hodgson a more torrid time.

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2017, 11:03:00 am »
His next stint was at the 2016 Euros. Again, straightforward qualification was followed by an underwhelming group stage (second in an easy group after two draws and 1 win) and an exit to Iceland, an unfancied side that performed at a high level at the tournament. Again, from a Hodgson perspective Iceland were hardly pushovers, before during and after the England game (and everyone remembers Denmark doing something similar). Still, like much of Hodgson's career, underwhelming.

Great post, but think you're being generous to Hodgson (!) comparing Iceland to Denmark. The populations involved would be like comparing Wales to Jersey. Also Denmark historically has much better pedigree, greater investment, and better links to mainland Europe/more players playing in better leagues.

Still, that was a great post!

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2017, 11:15:59 am »
As everyone in North London knows, South London is another country
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2017, 11:31:19 am »
Couldn't care less about him or Palace, I'm just glad he isn't coaching our national team any more.

I loved it when he coached England.

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2017, 11:33:11 am »
The conclusion I've drawn from Hodgson's time at Liverpool is that he simply did not know where he was. Not just that he didn't feel the connection with the city and make an effort to get under the skin of the club, in the way that Benitez did (and others have), but that he thought Liverpool was a middling club, along the lines of Fulham, or Middlesbrough, or Birmingham.

It seems an incredible conclusion to reach with regards to a British manager who has worked in football for decades, but if you allow yourself to view it through that prism, then suddenly everything that was previously inexplicable suddenly makes sense. Everything. The signings, the tactics, the attitudes to players and results, the thoughts on rivals and outcomes, the style of football...the whole lot. It's as if he was so busy working on his skills in Scandinavia that he missed what happened to Liverpool Football Club from the 1960s onwards.
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2017, 11:37:25 am »
The conclusion I've drawn from Hodgson's time at Liverpool is that he simply did not know where he was. Not just that he didn't feel the connection with the city and make an effort to get under the skin of the club, in the way that Benitez did (and others have), but that he thought Liverpool was a middling club, along the lines of Fulham, or Middlesbrough, or Birmingham.

It seems an incredible conclusion to reach with regards to a British manager who has worked in football for decades, but if you allow yourself to view it through that prism, then suddenly everything that was previously inexplicable suddenly makes sense. Everything. The signings, the tactics, the attitudes to players and results, the thoughts on rivals and outcomes, the style of football...the whole lot. It's as if he was so busy working on his skills in Scandinavia that he missed what happened to Liverpool Football Club from the 1960s onwards.

People talk about his arrogance but I'm pretty sure he has very fragile self confidence, and his whole shtick with us was trying to bring the club down to a level he was comfortable managing.
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2017, 11:38:29 am »
I loved it when he coached England.

Me too! Was a match made in heaven. Only problem of course was he'd infect our british players (when he wasn't too busy injuring them)

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2017, 11:39:14 am »
Those quotes.

The utter fuckwittery of the man knows no bounds.

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2017, 11:47:55 am »
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Hodgson was a decent manager, without doubt in the top 1% of Football managers should we of said he is decent and made do.

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2017, 11:55:10 am »
Those quotes are incredible and bring back some nightmarish memories.

Apologies if I missed it but I remember cringing (and swearing loudly at the telly) when he said something along the lines of..

" That was not good enough for a side that has aspirations to be in the top half of the table"

As others have said, he is the supreme networker and bullshitter. I'm just staggered at, and I can't pin it down, his either; arrogance, greed, lack of self awareness or all 3 in taking this role at 70. 70 and after such a high profile failure with England.

I hope he fails and fails badly so that no one is under any illusions about the true ability of this epitome of the "company man"




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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2017, 12:25:11 pm »
Imagine interviewing him for an important job and coming away thinking - " He's the one, that's the very fella for me."

How has it happened again and again? Those quotes above are almost unbelievable and I'm sure there are many, many more to choose from.

I know we've all expunged his time here from memory but those were dark, dire times. I refuse to believe he is a football manager, he cant be.

I'm sure he's a lollypop man or something and just keeps turning up at certain clubs till someone twigs.

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2017, 12:28:12 pm »
Those quotes are incredible and bring back some nightmarish memories.

Apologies if I missed it but I remember cringing (and swearing loudly at the telly) when he said something along the lines of..

" That was not good enough for a side that has aspirations to be in the top half of the table"



I hope he fails and fails badly so that no one is under any illusions about the true ability of this epitome of the "company man"





As and when Own Face inflicts his special brand of football on Palace nobody will notice. Palace are one of those clubs like West Brom, Stoke or Hull that bounce betweet the top two divisons without anyone noticing or caring.

A nothing club like Palace are the perfect match for a nothing manager like Owl Face.
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2017, 12:35:14 pm »
Roberto Carlos on Hodgson - "He told me I would never succeed as left back. I told him that he doesn't understand football."

Hodgson, then Inter Milan manager, sold Carlos to Real Madrid where he went on to win 4 La Ligas and 3 Champions Leagues and the World cup with the Brazil national team.

Roy clearly knows a player when he sees one.
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2017, 12:41:23 pm »
He's not a world class manager or anything but if Fulham had won the Europa would have been one of the best managerial achievements in football,   was still a strong comp back and to get such an average team in Fulham close to winning it.

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2017, 12:41:42 pm »
To think the board sacked Rafa then appointed this clown :butt always remember his stint at West Brom for banging his head in frustration[or something similar] after West Brom conceded a late winner against the Bitters  ;D
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2017, 12:50:43 pm »
To think the board sacked Rafa then appointed this clown :butt always remember his stint at West Brom for banging his head in frustration[or something similar] after West Brom conceded a late winner against the Bitters  ;D
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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2017, 12:55:14 pm »
He's not a world class manager or anything but if Fulham had won the Europa would have been one of the best managerial achievements in football,   was still a strong comp back and to get such an average team in Fulham close to winning it.

Thank fuck they didn't.

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2017, 12:58:42 pm »
Oh those quotes, my eyes, my poor eyes shall never unsee them...

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2017, 01:10:55 pm »
To think the board sacked Rafa then appointed this clown :butt always remember his stint at West Brom for banging his head in frustration[or something similar] after West Brom conceded a late winner against the Bitters  ;D

I would love to know the inside story on this.
Was it Purslow's decision, was he getting advice, if so from who?
To paraphrase someone on the Guardian comments yesterday "If Hodgson is the answer, you're asking the wrong fucking question"

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2017, 01:18:25 pm »
His press conference the day after the Iceland defeat was hilarious and finally gave the rest of the country an insight into how he felt when he was in charge. Bristling with indignation about having to face some difficult questions and he said something along the lines of "I don't know why I've been wheeled out to face you" or something similar.

Happy to plod along as long as no one questions him or his methods. Lives in a bubble where he assumes he's never wrong or any poor results are due to circumstances out of his control.

That said, the annoying thing is he may do ok at Palace. Their squad is by no means one of the worst theee in the League so he'll keep them up and take in the praise. No doubt we'll have our annual shit result against Palace too and he'd love that. Hope to God we do what we did to them at Selhutst last season.

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Re: ''What do you mean do my methods translate?'' - Roy Hodgson
« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2017, 01:26:14 pm »
Fucking hellfire them quotes :lmao

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Nightmare...  ;D ;D
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