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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #480 on: September 2, 2017, 12:01:49 pm »
This was a cross of his last night that was asking to be a goal!


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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #481 on: September 2, 2017, 12:31:33 pm »
Defensively too. Robertson defends more compact spaces for Hull. So I imagine a game like Arsenal would be good for him where we were compact and his zone was small. Whereas Moreno can defend vast areas of space as shown at Hoffenheim. Will be interesting to see if there is method to how they are rotated in terms of specific opponents or if we just play them until they need a rest. I'd be amazed if Moreno didn't play against a low block side with a tonne of counter pace for example. Or a really explosive winger like Gnabry.

I agree with the space thing, that's where Moreno is at his best but that has me thinking that it might not so much be a matter if the opposition defends with a low-block or a high line but rather how they attack.  So far we've seen Albi selected as the first choice, and he's been great, but all teams we've faced so far have played a system with a lone wingback on his flank.  In that sort of system Moreno has the entire flank to eat up and very little risk of an overlapping fullback/winger exploiting him. When it's just a wingback Moreno is expected to seek out and win the ball and there's little risk of him getting exposed or out numbered.

However, if we're playing a four at the back system with winger/fullback combining down the flank, that's when I'm a little more worried about Moreno defensively.  I think he's can be like a cat chasing a laser, too willing to seek out the ball rather than hold position, and that allows teams to play around him. It obviously happens less up against a low block defense where the fullback is reluctant to push forward, but a smart fullback is still going to pick his moments IMO.  I'd rather not have Moreno in that situation.

So my contention is that teams that attack using A 3-4-3, 4-4-2 diamond or formation where the wide player tucks into midfield, Moreno might be the better options but if they play with genuine wide players and overlapping fullbacks Klopp may select Robertson. Just a theory but my suspicion is Robertson is much better at tracking and handing off an overlapping runner and would be defensively a bit more sound in that sort of situation. I don't think there's a huge difference in the quality of either going forward so I'd be happy with either up against a defense with a low block or high line.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #482 on: September 2, 2017, 12:52:57 pm »
I agree with the space thing, that's where Moreno is at his best but that has me thinking that it might not so much be a matter if the opposition defends with a low-block or a high line but rather how they attack.  So far we've seen Albi selected as the first choice, and he's been great, but all teams we've faced so far have played a system with a lone wingback on his flank.  In that sort of system Moreno has the entire flank to eat up and very little risk of an overlapping fullback/winger exploiting him. When it's just a wingback Moreno is expected to seek out and win the ball and there's little risk of him getting exposed or out numbered.

However, if we're playing a four at the back system with winger/fullback combining down the flank, that's when I'm a little more worried about Moreno defensively.  I think he's can be like a cat chasing a laser, too willing to seek out the ball rather than hold position, and that allows teams to play around him. It obviously happens less up against a low block defense where the fullback is reluctant to push forward, but a smart fullback is still going to pick his moments IMO.  I'd rather not have Moreno in that situation.

So my contention is that teams that attack using A 3-4-3, 4-4-2 diamond or formation where the wide player tucks into midfield, Moreno might be the better options but if they play with genuine wide players and overlapping fullbacks Klopp may select Robertson. Just a theory but my suspicion is Robertson is much better at tracking and handing off an overlapping runner and would be defensively a bit more sound in that sort of situation. I don't think there's a huge difference in the quality of either going forward so I'd be happy with either up against a defense with a low block or high line.

Actually, I know this makes no sense logically, but the opposite is actually true. I'll explain.

In a shape with two players starting on that side of the pitch we would naturally have two players protecting it defensively. Most likely this would be Mane & Moreno. However, with just 1, as you said, just Moreno. In reality though, we usually see Salah watch the LWB and Moreno watch the RWB with Mane pushed forward as a counter threat.

From the oppositions point of view though, when you play with just '1 wide player, the aim to create overloads on that side of the pitch against the 1 defender which is far easier to do than when you have 2 players naturally starting there. Think for example our own formation v Palace. We all agree we play a narrow 3 in both midfield and attack and yet we had 3 or 4 players in almost every attack on the left overloading them. Watch the Arsenal game and you see the same thing. It's AoC vs Moreno, Mane, Firmino & Gini on that flank. AoC even has a pop at Ramsey because he is just letting the overload happen every time.

The difference is that in a system with 2 wide players it is their job to make attacks happen on that side of the pitch and there will e 2 players assigned there to prevent it. You can overload it with more players of course, but that is the starting point. With a 1 wide player system, it is the job of usually him+3 to create overloads with just 1 player specifically assigned to stopping it. This makes the likelihood of success much higher.

The best example of this is Hoffenheim using their 3-1-4-2 formation against us to overload Moreno all night long. Moreno almost entirely ignored the RWB that night and focused on the players there to make the overload. Mane stayed high behind the RWB to counter but did little or nothing to protect him. This was all a clear tactical decision to do so trusting Moreno's ability to defend huge areas of space using his pace. Ballsy but it worked.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #483 on: September 2, 2017, 06:24:12 pm »
If he puts a bit of muscle on. We have a player here.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #484 on: September 3, 2017, 04:53:25 pm »
Has nobody made a gif of his Scotland goal yet? I could watch that all day. Stunning technique.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #485 on: September 3, 2017, 04:58:40 pm »
Has nobody made a gif of his Scotland goal yet? I could watch that all day. Stunning technique.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #486 on: September 3, 2017, 05:19:32 pm »
If he puts a bit of muscle on. We have a player here.

err why should he?

the threats he is facing on the wing is the rapid/fast and agile type. More muscle could basically mean he could be slower.

I think klopp highlighted something about Gomez being too bulky when coming back from injury. I know he is a CB but pretty sure the sport science team and klopp are working on Robbo's weaknesses as we speak.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #487 on: September 3, 2017, 05:35:55 pm »
Has nobody made a gif of his Scotland goal yet? I could watch that all day. Stunning technique.

It's on the previous page.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #488 on: September 3, 2017, 06:18:47 pm »
It's on the previous page.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #489 on: September 3, 2017, 06:43:42 pm »
Been trying to think of who that goal reminded me of, Ronnie Whelen in the 83 cup final against United. The way it's passed into the top corner on the bounce.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #490 on: September 3, 2017, 08:57:14 pm »
I was in vilnius for the game and the goal was glorious and he played brilliant all night.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #491 on: September 3, 2017, 09:11:42 pm »
Been trying to think of who that goal reminded me of, Ronnie Whelen in the 83 cup final against United. The way it's passed into the top corner in the bounce.

https://youtu.be/ZV1LSKf85go

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #492 on: September 3, 2017, 09:32:39 pm »
My favourite angle of the goal:


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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #493 on: September 4, 2017, 09:46:32 am »
My favourite angle of the goal:


Yeah this is the one. Look at that placement!

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #494 on: September 4, 2017, 10:53:55 am »
Yeah this is the one. Look at that placement!

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #495 on: September 4, 2017, 11:09:07 am »
Yeah this is the one. Look at that placement!

I like his movement to take him into the space the two pressing players open up.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #496 on: September 4, 2017, 11:13:25 am »
some goal that...an absolute peach
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #497 on: September 4, 2017, 11:16:33 am »
I like his movement to take him into the space the two pressing players open up.

Agree, a really intelligent couple of steps back.. Then follows that up with two cracking touches of the ball. Looks a classy player.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #498 on: September 4, 2017, 11:24:11 am »
some goal that...an absolute peach

Haven't heard that for yonks :D  - great description of a great goal

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #499 on: September 4, 2017, 12:44:40 pm »
Just from the one game he started for us so far - he has a chance to score some goals - as it seems he is willing to shoot and has a some really good technique on the shot too.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #500 on: September 4, 2017, 10:19:40 pm »
Put a nice ball in for Scotland's second against Malta.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #501 on: September 4, 2017, 10:31:18 pm »
Put a nice ball in for Scotland's second against Malta.


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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #502 on: September 4, 2017, 11:51:00 pm »


Consciously timed his run to stay onside, having paused to give their midfielder a false sense of security while he ran off him. Then looked up and picked out the less obvious but better ball to the nearer man.

Very nice, again. Love players who think quickly.

Thanks for making the GIF too

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #503 on: September 5, 2017, 01:52:01 am »
How many leagues have we won without a Scotsman in the team?
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #504 on: September 5, 2017, 03:01:23 am »
I know it's way too early to call just how good he's going to be for us but you can tell his style is exactly as Royhendo described in his article.  Promising signs. 

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #505 on: September 5, 2017, 03:09:32 am »
He reminds me of a young Leighton Baines and hopefully, he can be as good as Baines was.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #506 on: September 5, 2017, 05:09:17 am »
He reminds me of a young Leighton Baines and hopefully, he can be as good as Baines was.

Exactly what I said but got shut down for :o

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #507 on: September 5, 2017, 11:20:20 am »
Well his goal is competing with our young Welshman for Best International Break Goal so happy days!
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #509 on: November 18, 2017, 08:35:18 pm »
Where is he? Lots of positives to take from today but I'm just wondering why he isn't even on the bench. Injured? Is everything OK with him personally?

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #510 on: November 18, 2017, 08:38:18 pm »
Klopp's mentioned how he doesn't like having specialised positions on the bench (solely full backs in the main), been murmurs of him struggling to adapt to the training routines and Moreno's in the form of his life.
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Re: Andy Robertson
« Reply #511 on: January 14, 2018, 06:45:12 pm »
Scottish, black boots, no nonsense. Think he's my new favourite player.

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Re: Andy Robertson
« Reply #512 on: January 14, 2018, 06:46:15 pm »
Quality again today

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Re: Andy Robertson
« Reply #513 on: January 14, 2018, 06:47:00 pm »
He was great. That run in the 74th min  ;D ;D I tried a sprint over the park the other day and collapsed after about 15 metres.

I get the feeling his name being sung will mean the absolute world to him too. Great to hear that!

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Re: Andy Robertson
« Reply #514 on: January 14, 2018, 06:47:04 pm »
Quality player cementing himself as 1st choice

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Re: Andy Robertson
« Reply #515 on: January 14, 2018, 06:47:07 pm »
Passion, aggression, commitment, balls, talent. He's got em all. Fucking ace.
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Re: Andy Robertson
« Reply #516 on: January 14, 2018, 06:47:45 pm »
he is fantastic.

Defends well, attacks well, he's like a duracell bunny out there too, quality both sides of the pitch.

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Re: Andy Robertson
« Reply #517 on: January 14, 2018, 06:48:26 pm »
Gon stay here for long
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Re: Andy Robertson
« Reply #518 on: January 14, 2018, 06:48:38 pm »
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Re: Andy Robertson
« Reply #519 on: January 14, 2018, 06:48:43 pm »
Outstanding.

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