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Re: Music from the other side of the fence
« Reply #80 on: July 18, 2017, 10:28:45 am »
I remember the fella from Charlie Brooker. A show I'd gladly sit and watch with a bucket of popcorn. The American psyche seems to demand TV evangelists like this.. and as you say, a fitting icon perhaps. Great tune tho! ;D


Szemerényi.. there are a few threads on how to embed... not sure which is the definitive one... https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=326383.msg14501876#msg14501876

really good post about Guinea.. interesting stuff. Hopefully more to come... not totally convinced that there's much homogonising going on tho thanks to western influences yet, tho I've only discovered Zamrock for instance very recently. Sublime Frequencies released a Guinea 70 - The Discoteque Years double lp I see some while back (fascinating label that you'll probably know of)... some great Afrobeat/fumnky stuff on there...

A playlist for it (not sure how to embed these tho!) https://youtu.be/5lZMemU6DQk?list=PL4KuJ_jHFXoKHlyLU6wNjN61qaW0iEa0W

'Syllart presents a gatefold 2LP edition of the mighty African Pearls collection dedicated to the funky sounds of '70s Guinea, when '70s groove turned electric and took West African coast clubs by storm. By the late 1960s to the mid-1970s, Guinea's music came to the forefront of a global Pan-African culture, even being called "The lighthouse of African culture." Genuine mandingo musical explosion, the sound of 1970s Guinea, with its stunning horns, spellbinding vocals, mesmermizing guitars and formidable rythmics has yet to be duplicated in Africa of anywhere else in the world. Limited vinyl pressing of 1,000 copies worldwide.'

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Re: Music from the other side of the fence
« Reply #81 on: July 20, 2017, 10:50:16 am »
Sublime Frequencies was an important part of my musical education, but they have a bad reputation among ethnomusicologists, because they don't credit many of the artists on their records. You could argue as well that they exotify other cultures. Entire books have been written abour their alleged appropriation and the dubious curation of the material. Great music though. You can read more about the controversy here:

https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/music-without-a-map/Content?oid=915472
https://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2017/02/09/dissecting-sublime-frequencies-with-the-folks-behind-a-recent-book-on-the-label
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Re: Music from the other side of the fence
« Reply #82 on: July 21, 2017, 10:03:41 pm »
Cheers for the heads up about a book about them. Have added it to my wish list. It's a subject that I've dipped a toe in over the years but have yet to really get a grip of what is, an enormously complex subject. I've read bits on blogs, interviews, quotes etc about it - from 'both sides', but to have a good book to read (and it looks to be a well thought out one) is a real bonus. I've skim read the 'look inside' bit on amazon, and it looks a good, well thought out read potentially.

I don't know much about ethnomusicology, but it must be a truly fascinating area to immerse oneself in.


Things will get even more complex to decipher and work out when a member of the Sun City Girls is involved tho, which I reckon, is something that this book will try to delve into, but maybe miss its 'targets' when trying to understand the drive that Alan Bishop (head of Sublime Frequencies) has in excavating this stuff on his label. Alan Bishop was one third of arguably the most complex, difficult, and extraordinary bands that have ever been in my opinion. Impossible to categorize, and impossible to get a real grip on - they exist on the outer limits like no other band I've ever come across. They subvert anything and everything... they champion and destroy things in equal measure and nothing is off limits... but that doesn't mean that they are out to exploit for commercial gain in their plus 100 album output over the years. Far from it. They court the unsavoury, and have kept a dying idea about the avant garde very much alive.

I've been listening to The Sun City Girls for nearly 30 years... and I've never been able to work them out - I gave up trying to work them out very early on. They were a band who were deliberately obtuse and deliberately counter-intuitive at every turn. A punk band with a deep love for the sounds of other cultures... and have spent most of their lives investigating it - living amongst it, listening to it, promoting it - and being western explorers to it. But the band members hold this stuff close to their hearts - if they've strayed from correct remuneration to those that recorded these things originally occassionally ... then yes, that starts to be difficult as a potential buyer, but I don't think for one minute that that was in some way a strategy. They are not out to exploit in my opinion, but out to champion. It may go thru the prism of punk and the DIY aesthetic, but SCG have never towed a line in anything they do, and I for one, will always champion that.


and may aswell stick this up again...


<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/R_OQpW-uOPM?rel=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/R_OQpW-uOPM?rel=0</a>



and as an edit: a song from Alan Bishops brilliant band, Invisible Hands... a band he got together while he was in Egypt during the uprising a few years back. Bishop is 60-70, and the band were in their twenties and heavily involved. They took 2 years recording it due to conditions. Wonderful album.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/A4QJI6FeIkw?rel=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/A4QJI6FeIkw?rel=0</a>

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Re: Music from the other side of the fence
« Reply #83 on: July 24, 2017, 08:44:39 am »
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/W1gHEdvpV4Q" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/W1gHEdvpV4Q</a>

Went for a pint with a friend on Friday.  Seems to be loads of fun DIY electronic experiments coming out on this Wah Wah Wino label in Dublin. Really liking some of it.

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Re: Music from the other side of the fence
« Reply #84 on: July 26, 2017, 09:25:38 pm »
I just found this article about the cross-pollination of nationalism and music in Guinea under Touré's governance:

https://www.academia.edu/5922544/The_music_archives_of_Guinea._Nationalism_and_its_representation_under_S%C3%A9kou_Tour%C3%A9

It's written by the world's preeminent scholar of the golden age in guinean music.
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Re: Music from the other side of the fence
« Reply #85 on: July 27, 2017, 12:00:14 am »
I just found this article about the cross-pollination of nationalism and music in Guinea under Touré's governance:

https://www.academia.edu/5922544/The_music_archives_of_Guinea._Nationalism_and_its_representation_under_S%C3%A9kou_Tour%C3%A9

It's written by the world's preeminent scholar of the golden age in guinean music.

Lovely cheers. Got a train trip tomorrow to see The Fall at the 100 Club, will read it then. Tis a much sought after ticket and I'm all a buzz.