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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10800 on: January 17, 2018, 10:05:47 am »
If he did, he would pay fines in million.
Rafa signed a contract knowing it was necessary to star summer transfer business. He signed under a promise of reasonable transfer kitty.  But Ashley demanded his commitments, hence, a fine if Rafa walked away. Needles to say, Ashley broke his promise, but Rafa couldn't. Ashley's was an oral promise while Rafa's was written.

Was Rafa really that desperate to get a job?
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10801 on: January 17, 2018, 11:10:14 am »
If he did, he would pay fines in million.
Rafa signed a contract knowing it was necessary to star summer transfer business. He signed under a promise of reasonable transfer kitty.  But Ashley demanded his commitments, hence, a fine if Rafa walked away. Needles to say, Ashley broke his promise, but Rafa couldn't. Ashley's was an oral promise while Rafa's was written.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10802 on: January 17, 2018, 01:01:39 pm »
If he did, he would pay fines in million.
Rafa signed a contract knowing it was necessary to star summer transfer business. He signed under a promise of reasonable transfer kitty.  But Ashley demanded his commitments, hence, a fine if Rafa walked away. Needles to say, Ashley broke his promise, but Rafa couldn't. Ashley's was an oral promise while Rafa's was written.
Doesn't make any real sense. For a start Rafa would just have to start turning up for 2 hours a day and just not bother. Ashley would have to sack him or be relegated.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10803 on: January 17, 2018, 08:23:09 pm »
Nightmare for the Geordie supporters, a few of whom post well and intelligently on RAWK, the whole Ashley regime and collapse of the bid. Hope things turn round and Rafa and the Newcastle support continue what looks to be a very happy pairing without the salad dodger.

Does look as though the supporter base is going global, though...

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10804 on: January 18, 2018, 06:31:51 am »
You'd have to be a bit of a dumbass to go into a contract like that!
Was Rafa really that desperate to get a job?
He was a football man, as far as I remember there was a frustration last summer over his contract and new players. He would like to have assurance of incoming players before signing new ones. I'd imagine it was hard for him to move on, because, out of so many sleeping giants with potentials, Newcastle is the one. He had succes bringing them back to PL, fans basically revered him and possible selling by Ashley was I the horizon. Alas, it failed to materialize, it's pretty much up to the fans now. They need to find a way to force Ashley to sell. Boycott Direct Sport maybe?
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10805 on: January 18, 2018, 06:32:32 am »
Doesn't make any real sense. For a start Rafa would just have to start turning up for 2 hours a day and just not bother. Ashley would have to sack him or be relegated.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10806 on: January 18, 2018, 06:33:50 am »
You'd have to be a bit of a dumbass to go into a contract like that!

Rafa would have had advisors and an agent doing the negotiating for him.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10807 on: January 18, 2018, 07:00:57 am »
He was a football man, as far as I remember there was a frustration last summer over his contract and new players. He would like to have assurance of incoming players before signing new ones. I'd imagine it was hard for him to move on, because, out of so many sleeping giants with potentials, Newcastle is the one. He had succes bringing them back to PL, fans basically revered him and possible selling by Ashley was I the horizon. Alas, it failed to materialize, it's pretty much up to the fans now. They need to find a way to force Ashley to sell. Boycott Direct Sport maybe?

Yep it's at the point now where they need to boycott games, Sports Direct etc, make selling the easier option for Ashley. Will take a concerted and coordinated effort from them. I hope they're up for it.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10808 on: January 18, 2018, 07:34:33 am »
Absolutely gutted that it looks like it's off  :'(

The stark reality is that Rafa won't be here next season if that fat wanker is still owner and as there are no other bidders, that looks very likely  :no

This is the THIRD window in a row where the odious pleb has completely took the piss out of Rafa - what on earth did we do to deserve nearly 11 years of this utter twat?!

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10809 on: January 18, 2018, 08:38:03 am »
Rafa would have had advisors and an agent doing the negotiating for him.

He knew full well what he was walking into. Ashley is a numbers guy who was fortunate to have the resources to buy his local club. He doesnt care about trophies, all he wants is a sustainable profitable football club. Like everyother football club in the league. Every club bar City goal is to stay profitable, trophies is second. Chelsea now try to balance the books with Romans spending slowing down.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10810 on: January 18, 2018, 10:44:26 am »
Ashley's local club? That would be somewhere near London.

Ashley's actions don't really indicate a guy going for sustainable, profitable. More like an impulsive, emotional drunk. He appointed Joe Kinnear man. Come on.

Anyway at this point Benitez needs to stay away from the off field stuff, which he seems to have done, seems calmer. You want Benitez in the league, managing,in action. Decide at the end of the season.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10811 on: January 19, 2018, 07:29:45 am »
Amanda Staveley: I want to buy Newcastle – it’s hurtful and absurd to call us time-wasters
For the first time, the investor opens up on her efforts to acquire the club

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Amanda Staveley has a few things on the go. At her home and office, around the corner from Hyde Park, she is in the midst of eight deals; a casino in Japan, some real estate in New York. People buzz around her, but this is a hands-on process and she is flitting between meetings, fielding calls. Alexander, her three-year-old son, is here, clutching a model aeroplane, and he wants to play. It does not feel as though Staveley has much time to waste.

In the downstairs sitting room, there is a wide-screen television, a coffee table crammed with family photographs. There is a picture of her standing alongside Mr. Ferguson and Sir Bobby Charlton, sacrilege for a childhood Liverpool supporter, except that PCP Capital Partners, her company, backs the Manchester United Foundation. Upstairs, in a study, is one of Staveley and David Beckham, although Mehrdad, her husband, keeps hiding that.

This is family and it is business and it is busy, which does not quite tally with the portrayal of Staveley that blundered its way into the public domain this week, as subtle as a sale at Sports Direct, when an anonymous source briefed Sky Sports News that her attempts to buy Newcastle United had “proved to be exhausting, frustrating and a complete waste of time”.


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PCP’S THREE BIDS
£300m, first bid, November 2: £200m on completion. £50m July 1 2018, £50m July 1 2019 — neither paid in the event of relegation. Benítez to stay as manager. Penalty clauses in the event of HMRC fine.
£350m, second bid, November 10: £150m on completion. £50m January 1 2020 £50m January 1 2021 £50m January 1 2022 £50m in the event of qualifying for the Champions League. Benítez to stay as manager. Penalty clauses in the event of relegation and HMRC fine.
£250m, third bid, November 17: £250m payable in full. Benítez to stay as manager. No clauses


These comments were, the club said — again anonymously — reflective of Mike Ashley’s views. Staveley has been stung by that, irked by the suggestion that her pursuit of Newcastle, which has been very open, was nothing more than an exercise in self-publicity. “It is only right to let the fans know that there is no deal on the table or even under discussion with Amanda Staveley and PCP,” the source said, which was news to her. “I’m very much still interested in buying Newcastle,” she says. “And our bid remains on the table.”

It is the first time that the 44-year-old has spoken publicly about Newcastle since she launched 1,000 headlines and more conspiracy theories by attending their home game against Liverpool on October 1.

There has been a non-disclosure agreement in place with Newcastle since the middle of that month — her initial bid for the club followed on November 2 — but she feels obliged to defend herself.

“I’m very concerned, I’m very surprised and I’m disappointed about what’s been said this week,” Staveley says. She is wearing a pale blue jacket, dark trousers, sipping water from a pink plastic bottle, and coffee from a mug. She is agitated and clearly upset. “The suggestion that we were either wasting time or not serious is absurd. It’s hurtful. Hugely hurtful,” she says.

If she was not serious, why would PCP have made three offers to put Ashley out of his misery after his loveless, contentious 11 years at St James’ Park? Why would she have engaged Chris Mort of Freshfields as her lawyer, a man who worked as Newcastle’s chairman under Ashley? Why would she involve the Reuben family, who have an estimated worth of £13 billion and a significant property portfolio on Tyneside, in her bid? “This is something we’ve been working really hard on,” she says. “It’s not something we’ve just thrown together. I’m putting a lot of my own capital into this and our investors, who come from around the world, include sovereign wealth funds.”

Her first bid was for £300 million, £200 million up front, the rest payable in two chunks. The second, made on Friday, November 10, was for £350 million, payable in instalments, as the sportswear retailer had encouraged. There would be £150 million on completion followed by £50 million every year after that, with the final tranche dependent on achievement, such as reaching the Champions League. For both were penalty clauses, in the event of demotion or Newcastle being stung by HMRC’s tax investigation into the club.

There was a third offer on November 17. “Dear Mike,” it began. In this one, £250 million would be paid in full, no caveats, no conditions, no clauses. This was substantially below Ashley’s £350 million valuation, aside from one sense; Staveley is committed to investing another £200 million, at least £100 million on new players across the first two transfer windows and the same again on improving a tired training ground and ineffective academy.

PCP brokered the deal that saw Sheikh Mansour buy Manchester City. Staveley has also attempted to buy Liverpool, but Newcastle fits, Newcastle works — so much potential, never realised — and she has been courted by supporters. “They’re such passionate fans and it’s a great club,” she says. “I’m a northerner. My family home is an hour away from St James’ Park. I just love football and Newcastle has a proper history and a real magic.

“That passion of the fans is vitally important when you’re looking at a club, because you know that you’re a custodian. I’m also a passionate believer in investment in the north east, because I know it’s tough. A lot of great things are happening in the city — we’ve got friends, like the Reubens, who have invested there — and it’s a really special place, with its own identity. It is absolutely unique.”

PCP is not a charity. “This is an investment, but it has to be a long-term investment,” Staveley says. “Newcastle would be run as a business, but we want it to be a successful, thriving business that is an absolutely integral part of the city.” Equally integral is Rafa Benítez; in each of PCP’s three bids, was a stipulation that the manager must stay and agree to a new contract. “Rafa is doing an incredible job,” Staveley says. “We want Rafa to be part of this project.”

By November 20, it is understood that Mort was confident that a deal might be on at £250 million. At the start of December, Staveley met Ashley at an Indian restaurant in London, brokered by Richard Desmond, the publisher. Pictures appeared in The Sun. “The famous curry house is the only time I’ve met Mike,” Staveley says. “It wasn’t a formal meeting and it was arranged by Mr Desmond. Mike was engaging and interesting. I enjoyed his company.”

And those photographs? Convenient, no? “I would never had done that,” Staveley says. “If I had, I certainly wouldn’t have been pictured smoking. I hadn’t had a cigarette for years. My dad nearly killed me. There has been a lot of miscommunication through the press, but that’s not my fault. This is football.”

In the middle of December, Staveley was told that “another bidder” had emerged, prepared, according to Ashley’s people, to pay £350 million. Fine, PCP said, but come back to us if you want to re-engage. Since then, they have heard nothing. Not a single thing. Which, again, hardly fits with the Ashley-sanctioned notion of “exhaustive” discussions. “Where are the other bidders?” Staveley says. “It’s been for sale for three months.”

Staveley had not given up. When people asked, the official line was that the process was ongoing, although time was ticking on and there were concerns; PCP would not be able to fund Benítez in this transfer window and the team remain in a precarious position. What happens next? A staging post feels like the next Premier League broadcasting rights. And beyond that, whether Newcastle stay up will be pivotal.

In the meantime, supporters continue to wait; for something different, something better. It is the loyal 52,000 who squirm and suffer as Benítez attempts to find gold in a nettle patch. Perhaps Staveley could have been the answer. Perhaps she still can. But it has been a bruising week. Will it happen? “I don’t know,” she says. “I hope so.”


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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10812 on: January 19, 2018, 07:37:46 am »
Wow on the 2nd bid.
Amanda really have high expectation on Newcastle United

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10813 on: January 19, 2018, 08:11:44 am »
Depends if you believe that. Read the David Conn article.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10814 on: January 19, 2018, 08:18:24 am »
She's basically trying to get it absolutely dirt cheap.

Ashley is an absolute c*nt but also clearly a pretty good businessman, and she's trying to pay way less than the club is worth. Even £350 million would be pretty cheap in fairness for a big PL club like that. Frankly as a Newcastle fan the idea that she's buzzing around that £250 million number would worry me that she didn't have a huge interest in really pushing the club forward and is just trying to broker a deal to get them on the cheap.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10815 on: January 19, 2018, 08:25:59 am »
One of those situations where you don`t know who to believe. I have read the various articles and I have to say that there is a smack of Staveley playing on the impression everyone has of Ashley. All rather bizarre and at the heart of it are fans who are desperate for success under a manager who is a true gentleman who happens to be one of the best managers in the world.

If this is a game of brinksmanship it is a very odd time of year to be playing it. Close to relegation and a decent chunk through a transfer window with no real business done at all. The club could very quickly become worth less than it currently is.

As usual, the people with the money forget again what makes up a club and it is the fans that suffer.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10816 on: January 19, 2018, 08:28:34 am »
She's basically trying to get it absolutely dirt cheap.

Ashley is an absolute c*nt but also clearly a pretty good businessman, and she's trying to pay way less than the club is worth. Even £350 million would be pretty cheap in fairness for a big PL club like that. Frankly as a Newcastle fan the idea that she's buzzing around that £250 million number would worry me that she didn't have a huge interest in really pushing the club forward and is just trying to broker a deal to get them on the cheap.

350 for a club that is in relegation danger, and probably needs about 200mil in player investment in todays market to reeatablish itself mid table is pretty fair to me.

Ashley has fucked his asset and wants to sell it at a huge profit. Like me buying a house, burning it down and asking for a 300% return
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10817 on: January 19, 2018, 08:32:27 am »
350 for a club that is in relegation danger, and probably needs about 200mil in player investment in todays market to reeatablish itself mid table is pretty fair to me.

Ashley has fucked his asset and wants to sell it at a huge profit. Like me buying a house, burning it down and asking for a 300% return

If you burnt your house down on a piece of land which was still making huge money on rent, you're probably still justified in asking for a huge amount.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10818 on: January 19, 2018, 08:55:58 am »
If you burnt your house down on a piece of land which was still making huge money on rent, you're probably still justified in asking for a huge amount.

Only that this piece of land is on a cliff, which could easily break off within 5 months - if there is no big investment. I don't even think we need analogies to understand the matter at hand. Ashley is trying to maximize his asset, Staveley is trying to drive the price down. Newcastle could very well be relegated this season and Ashley is risking a lot - if he is actually trying to sell.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10819 on: January 19, 2018, 10:12:18 am »
Only that this piece of land is on a cliff, which could easily break off within 5 months - if there is no big investment. I don't even think we need analogies to understand the matter at hand. Ashley is trying to maximize his asset, Staveley is trying to drive the price down. Newcastle could very well be relegated this season and Ashley is risking a lot - if he is actually trying to sell.

Course he's risking it but again, with a twat like that you've got to make it worth his while. You're never gonna get anything from him on the cheap unless its some shite from Sports Direct. Definitely not a football club with that size of fanbase and marketing opportunities (as well as TV money).
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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« Reply #10820 on: January 19, 2018, 01:35:28 pm »
Course he's risking it but again, with a twat like that you've got to make it worth his while. You're never gonna get anything from him on the cheap unless its some shite from Sports Direct. Definitely not a football club with that size of fanbase and marketing opportunities (as well as TV money).

What's even Ashley's incentive to sell the club? I personally don't see it and that's probably also why it won't happen.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10821 on: January 19, 2018, 01:41:55 pm »
Always had doubts about Staveley.
Ashley is a good businessman and there is no way that club is worth only £250m, relegation battle or not.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10822 on: January 19, 2018, 01:43:27 pm »
'manda is just a front woman for Middle East money. She's got no money to buy a football club herself.

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« Reply #10823 on: January 19, 2018, 01:47:40 pm »
'manda is just a front woman for Middle East money. She's got no money to buy a football club herself.
The media would have you 'manda was buying the club for herself....

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« Reply #10824 on: January 19, 2018, 01:57:47 pm »
Haha yeah that's true. Remember she was the front person for DIC's bid for us?

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10825 on: January 19, 2018, 02:10:36 pm »
Shyster Ashley would double his purchase price. But that's not enough for the greedy billionaire.

Yes, Staveley is apparently playing the game with dirty Middle East money, but if they're being honest about making £100m available in transfer funds, then surely the fat shyster should realise that he can benefit both himself and the club (and, by extension, the supporters) with such a deal.

I suspect that every extra penny he manages to extract for the deal would mean less to spend on the club/team - but that he's such a smiley turd he couldn't give one.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10826 on: January 19, 2018, 02:52:35 pm »
Is there even proof that middle eastern money is involved? Guardian reported that some British family were her co investors but pulled out from the deal last month.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10827 on: January 19, 2018, 02:59:24 pm »
Given Ashley’s track record and history - can’t believe there is even an iota of sympathy for him.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10828 on: January 19, 2018, 03:49:30 pm »
250m for a club like newcastle with a big stadium and huge fanbase is not a great offer especially with the tv deals in place now

cant blame ashley for turning it down but the club need to get shot of him

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10829 on: January 19, 2018, 03:54:07 pm »
Shyster Ashley would double his purchase price. But that's not enough for the greedy billionaire.

£250m apparently only breaks even the amount he purchased it for plus the interest free loans he's put in - so I don't blame him holding out for a value which represents the true value of the club.

I mean he isn't selling to some fan group, in which case my opinion would be different, but a private business who is trying to get them on the cheap.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10830 on: January 19, 2018, 03:55:55 pm »
Staveley seems like she's having it on. Ashley is a c*nt of course but something not right there. Too much mystery, very concerning. Don't think she has any interest in the club beyond obtaining it at a bargain bin rate. In this era of TV money the idea Newcastle has lost value since Ashley bought it is ridiculous.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10831 on: January 19, 2018, 03:56:52 pm »
Fat Mike clearly want's another date at the Indian restaurant. He obviously likes scoffing down a Bhaji while doing dealings.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10832 on: January 19, 2018, 04:41:21 pm »
Fat Mike clearly want's another date at the Indian restaurant. He obviously likes scoffing down a Bhaji while doing dealings.

And paying for her a meal is cheaper than the usual way the fat, sweaty shitstain gets to spend time in a woman's company.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10833 on: January 20, 2018, 12:52:55 pm »
I don't understand Staveley's strategy in playing this out through the media, aided and abetted by the reporter George Cauklin in the Times this morning (George is smitten, Amanda is photogenic apparently and she is fronting up some of her own money) Whatever else Ashley is, he's not stupid when it comes down to the 'bottom line' and you'd think this would just stiffen his resolve even more.

As has been said, £250m seems an extremely low valuation for a club where the stadium, infrastructure & fan base is already in place. Minimal investment keeps them in the premier league and all the revenue streams that flow from that (wouldn't they qualify for 'parachute' payments as they call it, even if they were relegated?) It's maybe not on the scale of  'epic swindle' but it's difficult to see Ashley caving in to that proposed bid.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10834 on: January 20, 2018, 04:44:18 pm »
The results today are favouring Newcastle, so a loss today wont have them falling further behind the teams above them in the relegation battle.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10835 on: January 20, 2018, 06:07:07 pm »
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10836 on: January 20, 2018, 07:41:06 pm »
Really feel for Rafa - how the hell does he keep going when he's got an owner like that?

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10837 on: January 20, 2018, 07:45:53 pm »
I am still ticked we dropped points against this lot

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« Reply #10838 on: January 20, 2018, 07:50:55 pm »
Really feel for Rafa - how the hell does he keep going when he's got an owner like that?
Rafa deserves the best and always gets the worst.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10839 on: January 20, 2018, 08:33:43 pm »
The results today are favouring Newcastle, so a loss today wont have them falling further behind the teams above them in the relegation battle.

I think Stoke will make it out.
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