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Hazell · « **Reply #50200 on:** May 21, 2018, 07:51:05 pm »

Quote from: Solomon Grundy on May 21, 2018, 07:49:20 pm

Good appointment for Arsenal Unfortunately.

He is awful.

So… Howard Philips · « **Reply #50201 on:** May 21, 2018, 07:51:24 pm »

Quote from: Solomon Grundy on May 21, 2018, 07:49:20 pm

Good appointment for Arsenal Unfortunately.

Well that leaves only Simeone for Everton then.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #50202 on:** May 21, 2018, 07:51:29 pm »

Quote from: Barefoot Doctor on May 21, 2018, 07:47:48 pm

Hell of a turnaround, they'd clearly been briefing Arteta as their choice. Maybe he goes there anyway with Emery?

"The Independent understands that there have also been snags over the kind of say Arteta would have in issues beyond immediate control of the first team."

Emery of course, very much works with a sproting director. So likely happy to come in as head coach without wanting futher control.

Chris~ · « **Reply #50203 on:** May 21, 2018, 07:53:30 pm »

Good manager for a Europa league side.

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #50204 on:** May 21, 2018, 07:55:01 pm »

Quote from: Foregone Conclusion on May 21, 2018, 07:51:05 pm

He is awful.

No manager who manages to win 3 Europa leagues/UEFA Cups in a row can be considered 'awful'.

please, I have my reasons for it but... · « **Reply #50205 on:** May 21, 2018, 07:56:21 pm »

Worth noting that in 2015-16, his final season at Sevilla, he didn't register one single away win all season.

Would fit right in at Arsenal.

Jokes aside, he was not bad at either Valencia or Sevilla but it shows that their ambitions are getting 4th at best and a deep run in the EL than competing for league titles. For me, he is in the same bracket as Blanc.

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #50206 on:** May 21, 2018, 07:59:45 pm »

Andy Heaton just tweeted that he looks like that butler from Mr Deeds. And by Jove he's right.

FiSh77 · « **Reply #50207 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:01:00 pm »

Quote from: Solomon Grundy on May 21, 2018, 07:55:01 pm

No manager who manages to win 3 Europa leagues/UEFA Cups in a row can be considered 'awful'.

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #50208 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:03:31 pm »

Quote from: FiSh77 on May 21, 2018, 08:01:00 pm

Bet you loved a bit of Dick back in the day didn't you.

FiSh77 · « **Reply #50209 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:04:10 pm »

still do

Iska · « **Reply #50210 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:05:12 pm »

Pretty boring appointment after all that. I was willing them to do something out of leftfield.

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #50211 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:07:34 pm »

Quote from: FiSh77 on May 21, 2018, 08:04:10 pm

still do

Ooooooooeeeeerrrrr...

Pradan · « **Reply #50212 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:11:38 pm »

Quote from: Solomon Grundy on May 21, 2018, 07:55:01 pm

No manager who manages to win 3 Europa leagues/UEFA Cups in a row can be considered 'awful'.

How were his league performances for Sevilla from 2013-16?

Why did they continously end up in the EL?

Ray K · « **Reply #50213 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:11:42 pm »

Quote from: FiSh77 on May 21, 2018, 08:01:00 pm

A perfect post

Much more solid choice than Arteta. Won't be as many 'challenging' characters in the dressing room as at PSG, which was his downfall there. Probably the best choice they could make, or at least reasonably hope to get in their current position.

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #50214 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:13:23 pm »

Quote from: Dië Nullfuenfer on May 21, 2018, 07:51:29 pm

"The Independent understands that there have also been snags over the kind of say Arteta would have in issues beyond immediate control of the first team."

I always thought one of the issues was City's reluctance to let him leave. Although the fact Cazorla has now left pretty much confirms Arteta won't be getting the job. I always thought Emery would do well in a PL job. I'd expect them to be far more tactically conservative than under Wenger

Henry Gale · « **Reply #50215 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:14:08 pm »

Quote from: Ray K on May 21, 2018, 08:11:42 pm

A perfect post

Much more solid choice than Arteta. Won't be as many 'challenging' characters in the dressing room as at PSG, which was his downfall there. Probably the best choice they could make, or at least reasonably hope to get in their current position.

Yeah good choice. He's won like 7 trophies the past 5 years so knows how to win stuff.

Brain Potter · « **Reply #50216 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:17:22 pm »

Quote from: FiSh77 on May 21, 2018, 08:01:00 pm

That Dick Emery gif has made my night.

Pradan · « **Reply #50217 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:18:42 pm »

Quote from: Henry Gale on May 21, 2018, 08:14:08 pm

Yeah good choice. He's won like 7 trophies the past 5 years so knows how to win stuff.

Arsenal won stuff under Wenger in the last 5 years. Winning three EL's in a row won't do much to help Arsenal.

It's their league performance that needs improving. He under performs in that regard very often.

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #50218 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:19:08 pm »

Quote from: Pradan on May 21, 2018, 08:11:38 pm

How were his league performances for Sevilla from 2013-16?

Why did they continously end up in the EL?

5th a couple of times. 7th one season. Not great, but it was never going to be easy for a club like Sevilla against Barca and Real and the emergence of Diego Simeone's Atletico Madrid.

I stand by what I said, any manager that wins 3 European Cup competitions in a row isn't awful.

Ray K · « **Reply #50219 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:19:17 pm »

Quote from: Henry Gale on May 21, 2018, 08:14:08 pm

Yeah good choice. He's won like 7 trophies the past 5 years so knows how to win stuff.

I'm going with the guy who's won a bunch of Europa Leagues over a guy who's never managed any team at any level. But that's me being weird..

L8Craig · « **Reply #50220 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:21:04 pm »

Good appointment with Emery.
They could have done a lot worse. Atleast they have a very good chance of winning the Europa League next year.
Silly decision to go to PSG as I don’t think he is elite enough to win the CL which is the prerequisite for a successful manager in Paris.

Ray K · « **Reply #50221 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:24:07 pm »

Quote from: L8Craig on May 21, 2018, 08:21:04 pm

Good appointment with Emery.
They could have done a lot worse. Atleast they have a very good chance of winning the Europa League next year.

Don't need to finish top 4 if you win the Europa

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #50222 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:24:40 pm »

Quote from: Ray K on May 21, 2018, 08:24:07 pm

Don't need to finish top 4 if you win the Europa

Clint Eastwood · « **Reply #50223 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:24:42 pm »

More sensible choice than Arteta (I was kind of hoping to see how badly that would turn out). There aren't many great options but I'm sure he will do a job.

ScottishGoon · « **Reply #50224 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:26:55 pm »

Quote from: Ray K on May 21, 2018, 08:24:07 pm

Don't need to finish top 4 if you win the Europa

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Felch Aid · « **Reply #50225 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:26:58 pm »

Not a bad appointment and it might bring some stability.

Can see them getting the new manager bounce at the start of the season but the squad is still in need of an overhaul.

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #50226 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:28:19 pm »

Solid appointment, they may even do better in Europe with him. How he adapts in England we will see, but in Europe he will be good for them.

far better than having Arteta.

Pradan · « **Reply #50227 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:28:44 pm »

Emery's league record last five years:

Sevilla 13/14: 5th (7 points behind Bilbao for 4th spot)
Sevilla 14/15: 5th (3 points behind Valencia for 4th spot)
Sevilla 15/16: 5th (12 points behind Villarreal for 4th spot)
PSG 16/17: 2nd (8 points behind Monaco for 1st spot)
PSG 17/18: 1st

So that's 4 out of 5 seasons when he's performed below par. Not a good appointment at all. His EL record puts a lot of gloss on what's he has achieved as a manager.

Good addition to the PL though. His touchline antics will be a good laugh.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #50228 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:29:09 pm »

Genius

Pradan · « **Reply #50229 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:29:50 pm »

Quote from: Solomon Grundy on May 21, 2018, 08:19:08 pm

5th a couple of times. 7th one season. Not great, but it was never going to be easy for a club like Sevilla against Barca and Real and the emergence of Diego Simeone's Atletico Madrid.

I stand by what I said, any manager that wins 3 European Cup competitions in a row isn't awful.

They finished below Bilbao and Villarreal for the final CL spot. Clubs with a smaller budget than Sevilla,

Stockholm Syndrome · « **Reply #50230 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:29:59 pm »

A more sensible choice than Arteta but not a very inspiring choice. Can't see him doing much for them (in that I don't see them getting back in the top 4). Can't see him being anything long term.

I dunno there are better choices but worse ones too. This is kinda just...whatever

LovelyCushionedHeader · « **Reply #50231 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:31:21 pm »

Shows exactly where Arsenal want to be. I can’t see Emery coming into this league and pulling up trees, but he will nicely keep them between 4th and 6th and won’t moan about not having a say in transfers.

His league record leaves a lot to be desired... I can’t see him adapting well to the tough away trips against the likes of Burnley.

please, I have my reasons for it but... · « **Reply #50232 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:34:23 pm »

Quote from: Pradan on May 21, 2018, 08:18:42 pm

Arsenal won stuff under Wenger in the last 5 years. Winning three EL's in a row won't do much to help Arsenal.

It's their league performance that needs improving. He under performs in that regard very often.

If he goes in the CL by virtue of winning the EL then it won't matter, and that's what Arsenal care about.

He is by far the weakest manager when compared to others who manage the top six IMO.

please, I have my reasons for it but... · « **Reply #50233 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:36:21 pm »

Quote from: Ray K on May 21, 2018, 08:19:17 pm

I'm going with the guy who's won a bunch of Europa Leagues over a guy who's never managed any team at any level. But that's me being weird..

They could have shown more intent and went after Luis Enrique or Rafa though!

Hazell · « **Reply #50234 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:36:57 pm »

Quote from: Stockholm Syndrome on May 21, 2018, 08:29:59 pm

A more sensible choice than Arteta but not a very inspiring choice. Can't see him doing much for them (in that I don't see them getting back in the top 4). Can't see him being anything long term.

I dunno there are better choices but worse ones too. This is kinda just...whatever

I think Wenger's the last 'long term' manager we'll see now. If Emery can come in, win a couple of trophies, get them back into the Champions League, that'll be a successful spell for them. Tough job though, Man City aren't going anywhere, Man Utd and Chelsea are dull but have the finances to compete at the top end and Tottenham and us are now consistently finishing above them.

It'll be interesting how patient their fans are with him, a lot of them having had Wenger as manager as long as they can remember and wanting him out for around half that time. Still, it's not like Moyes replacing Ferguson, Emery at least has a track record of winning things.

CHOPPER · « **Reply #50235 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:37:12 pm »

I do like him, but he is awful.

Pradan · « **Reply #50236 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:39:48 pm »

Quote from: please, I have my reasons for it but... on May 21, 2018, 08:34:23 pm

If he goes in the CL by virtue of winning the EL then it won't matter, and that's what Arsenal care about.

He is by far the weakest manager when compared to others who manage the top six IMO.

Christ they can't put their hat on him achieving that?

It's a cup competition and there is always luck involved.

If i recall they had some luck on their way to winning one or two of them. Benfica battered them in one of the finals.

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #50237 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:40:23 pm »

Quote from: please, I have my reasons for it but... on May 21, 2018, 08:36:21 pm

They could have shown more intent and went after Luis Enrique or Rafa though!

Enrique isn't a better manager than Emery.

elsewhere · « **Reply #50238 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:41:08 pm »

Much better than appointing Arteta imo, he is a decent coach.

mattD · « **Reply #50239 on:** May 21, 2018, 08:41:36 pm »

Uninspired to say the least. Never rated him at all.

Maybe I’m being harsh but his League form isn’t all that, and you’d think Arsenal would want somebody to push them domestically.

Just my gut instinct of course, he may very well prove himself.