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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #120 on: June 17, 2006, 11:53:21 pm »
An important rule i've learned tonight, when you take a bad beat, accept that these things happen, and then sit back and almost sit out of the game for three or four hands. at any rate, if you lose a lot of chips on a hand, for a few hands after you need to drastically tighten your game.

At least you do if you are as prone to tilt as i am!
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #121 on: June 18, 2006, 08:33:54 am »
An important rule i've learned tonight, when you take a bad beat, accept that these things happen, and then sit back and almost sit out of the game for three or four hands. at any rate, if you lose a lot of chips on a hand, for a few hands after you need to drastically tighten your game.

At least you do if you are as prone to tilt as i am!
most people are prone to tilt. it dont even have to be a bad beat, people go tilt because they played a hand badly. if i do that now i try piss off to the bog for a couple of hands. yer know generally that yer gonna stick all yer chips in within a few hands if yer not careful.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #122 on: June 18, 2006, 09:37:43 am »
An important rule i've learned tonight, when you take a bad beat, accept that these things happen, and then sit back and almost sit out of the game for three or four hands. at any rate, if you lose a lot of chips on a hand, for a few hands after you need to drastically tighten your game.

At least you do if you are as prone to tilt as i am!

Yeah I agree with sitting out hands after bad beats or playing hands badly. If your in a cash game it's much better as there is an option to sit out and you can bugger off to get something to eat or whatever.

Just thought I'd mention this. What games do you find more profitable ? Cash or tournaments ?
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #123 on: June 18, 2006, 11:08:16 am »
Yeah I agree with sitting out hands after bad beats or playing hands badly. If your in a cash game it's much better as there is an option to sit out and you can bugger off to get something to eat or whatever.

Just thought I'd mention this. What games do you find more profitable ? Cash or tournaments ?

in the past the most ive made is on cash games, but that was all down to one stupidly lucky hand earlier this year (i had four of a kind, some other unfortunate sod had a full house... took almost £100 off him in 30 seconds)

i find tournaments to be more fun, more strategy based.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #124 on: June 18, 2006, 11:11:33 am »
To be honest I don't really use any particular tactics

I had noticed ;D

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #125 on: June 19, 2006, 04:50:42 pm »
A question which I can never find an answer too.

The subject, continuation bets. Basically this is a bet made after the flop lands and you havent hit anything. For example say you get dealt A J offsuit and you decide to play it. The flop lands and is, say, 3 6 10, all mixed suits.

Scenario 1: There is just you and one other person left in. You're first to act. You make a standard continuation bet of about half the pot, hoping the other bloke will fold. If he raises, you know you will fold. However, he doesnt do either of these, and instead just calls. The next card lands, and is equally useless (say a 7). What do you do? Do you keep on betting hoping to convince him you've hit something? Or is he playing a trap, and its better to just check, accepting the probability that he will probably follow with a bet which you will fold? I often find myself out of position after the flop, having just had a continuation bet called, and never know what to do next.

If you had position it'd be easier. He checks to you, and you make a continuation bet which is called. A bet from him after the turn can be folded by you without losing any more chips, whilst should he check you can check as well and take a free card, and then you have the luxury of leaving him utterly confused and having to act first (after which you can decide, based on previous experience of that player, whether to check the hand down or try and make a late move on the pot).

Scenario 2: The same as above, but instead, what if there are two other hands still in the game? First to act perhaps this is an easy check. The chances are of the three hands yours isn't good right now if you haven't hit anything, and even a continuation bet is more likely to meet resistance.

What about if you're second or third to act with multiple hands? If you're third against two other hands, would it be good to make a continuation bet and try and take down the pot, or do you just check through, take a free card, see if you catch perhaps a drawing hand and expect to have to do some sums with pot odds after a bet on the turn?


I only ask because i find it such a weakness in my game, and I don't approach making continuation bets with a definite strategy in mind. It seems to be random, and often with me based on how close I am to tilt. If i am calm and concentrating then I'm usually ok, but once I've lost my rag a bit I try and make stupid moves and often surrender a lot of chips very cheaply.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #126 on: June 19, 2006, 05:32:08 pm »
No point making continuation bets against 3 or 4 people, thats madness. I alway make them closer to 2/3 pot rather than half. If i have position I might do it against 2 other people who have checked the flop.

Its also worth considering that Harrington has been read by alot of players and they can spot a continuation bet. If it gets called then you have to be disciplined and not bet again. The whole point is that you do them with nothing so if you get called dont waste any more chips on the hand

If you are going to do them alot. You should also make a continuatuion size bet early in a tourney when you actually have a hand and try and get called down to show your cards. Good players will notice this and be wary of your bets for the rest of the tourney

« Last Edit: June 19, 2006, 05:35:03 pm by Fiend »

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #127 on: June 19, 2006, 06:07:00 pm »
heres a tip for you , fuck off the online poker and get youre arses down to leos tonight

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #128 on: June 19, 2006, 06:22:36 pm »
Given my newness to the game, please take this as an observation, not advice.

Don't we play it the same way as any other hand, look at the pot, look at the odds of hitting something. In your example I presume you are looking to hit a pair of Aces. Jacks might do you. Against one other player it probably isn't worth it as the pot odds look bad. Against more players there's a decent chance one of them will hold an Ace, and quite possibly another pair?  I've just talked myself into deciding you should always fold in both scenarios. ie I concur with fiend?
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #129 on: June 19, 2006, 07:29:46 pm »
A question which I can never find an answer too.

The subject, continuation bets. Basically this is a bet made after the flop lands and you havent hit anything. For example say you get dealt A J offsuit and you decide to play it. The flop lands and is, say, 3 6 10, all mixed suits.

Scenario 1: There is just you and one other person left in. You're first to act. You make a standard continuation bet of about half the pot, hoping the other bloke will fold. If he raises, you know you will fold. However, he doesnt do either of these, and instead just calls. The next card lands, and is equally useless (say a 7). What do you do? Do you keep on betting hoping to convince him you've hit something? Or is he playing a trap, and its better to just check, accepting the probability that he will probably follow with a bet which you will fold? I often find myself out of position after the flop, having just had a continuation bet called, and never know what to do next.

If you had position it'd be easier. He checks to you, and you make a continuation bet which is called. A bet from him after the turn can be folded by you without losing any more chips, whilst should he check you can check as well and take a free card, and then you have the luxury of leaving him utterly confused and having to act first (after which you can decide, based on previous experience of that player, whether to check the hand down or try and make a late move on the pot).

Scenario 2: The same as above, but instead, what if there are two other hands still in the game? First to act perhaps this is an easy check. The chances are of the three hands yours isn't good right now if you haven't hit anything, and even a continuation bet is more likely to meet resistance.

What about if you're second or third to act with multiple hands? If you're third against two other hands, would it be good to make a continuation bet and try and take down the pot, or do you just check through, take a free card, see if you catch perhaps a drawing hand and expect to have to do some sums with pot odds after a bet on the turn?


I only ask because i find it such a weakness in my game, and I don't approach making continuation bets with a definite strategy in mind. It seems to be random, and often with me based on how close I am to tilt. If i am calm and concentrating then I'm usually ok, but once I've lost my rag a bit I try and make stupid moves and often surrender a lot of chips very cheaply.

it all depends on the player you are against, if you bet on the flop on nothing and get called and then fail to bet it is a sure sign of weakness and you will bet out of it, even though you probaly have the better hand.

If you bet on the flop on nothing and u are raised, i would often be tempted to but in a reraise or call and then come out with a big bet, a reraise by youe opponent in position is a common move and not a sign of strength, where as a call of his reraise and a big bet on the turn or a reraise on the flop of his reraise is a sign of strength.

The main question is why are ya playing AJ out of position, fuck it away.


« Last Edit: June 19, 2006, 07:32:03 pm by niallo27 »

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #130 on: June 19, 2006, 09:27:03 pm »


The main question is why are ya playing AJ out of position, fuck it away.




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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #131 on: June 19, 2006, 10:37:43 pm »

The main question is why are ya playing AJ out of position, fuck it away.


Have we signed Andy Johnson? Do you pick the team now?   :o ;D
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #132 on: June 20, 2006, 09:57:36 am »

Its also worth considering that Harrington has been read by alot of players and they can spot a continuation bet.


It seems to be the acknowledged bible, alongside the Koran of Slansky (sorry if I've spelt that wrong), but given that it isn't available on amazon.co.uk, how many European readers do you think have read it?
How about a straw poll in here, just to gauge what we are up against.

Not read it - but will when I can get my hands on it, expect that to be inside 6 weeks.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #133 on: June 20, 2006, 11:26:01 am »
It seems to be the acknowledged bible, alongside the Koran of Slansky (sorry if I've spelt that wrong), but given that it isn't available on amazon.co.uk, how many European readers do you think have read it?
How about a straw poll in here, just to gauge what we are up against.

Not read it - but will when I can get my hands on it, expect that to be inside 6 weeks.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1880685337/202-1402570-9094241?v=glance&n=266239

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1880685353/202-1402570-9094241?v=glance&n=266239&v=glance

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i reckon those are pretty much the standard hold em manuals. widely recognised as being the most readable. I reckon the real value comes from the style of play Harrington preaches which helps beginners (i consider myself a beginner). I've read doyle brunson, and his ideas seem to be more 'dont let yourself be pushed around, play aggressive, just like me'. Thing is with brunson its more skill, and if you're not skillful it can get you into a lot of bother.

Where as harringtons work is much safer, tighter, more conservative, and based on rules which everyone can follow instead of attitudes.

you wont win the WSOP reading harrington. people will suss you pretty quickly. but it is a very good basis for basic poker strategy and approach.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #134 on: June 20, 2006, 11:27:46 am »


you wont win the WSOP reading harrington. people will suss you pretty quickly. but it is a very good basis for basic poker strategy and approach.

Does that mean by not reading him then I will win the WSOP ;D

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #135 on: June 20, 2006, 11:30:40 am »
Does that mean by not reading him then I will win the WSOP ;D

Absolutlely! ;D

Im fucked meself!
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #136 on: June 20, 2006, 11:31:21 am »
Absolutlely! ;D

Im fucked meself!

When I do then, I will tell the world it was because of AdamL that I won.

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #137 on: June 20, 2006, 11:33:49 am »
When I do then, I will tell the world it was because of AdamL that I won.

I'll release my own series of books! "AdamL on Hold'Em". Just one page, says 'Don't read Dan Harrington'.

With one example at the end, which say 'You see a Dan Harrington book. What do you do? Answer: Don't read it.'

I'll make millions!
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #138 on: June 20, 2006, 11:35:02 am »
I'll release my own series of books! "AdamL on Hold'Em". Just one page, says 'Don't read Dan Harrington'.

With one example at the end, which say 'You see a Dan Harrington book. What do you do? Answer: Don't read it.'

I'll make millions!

And when I win the WSOP i can endorse it.

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #139 on: June 20, 2006, 11:38:22 am »
Sounds good to me, you do all the hard work, and i'll sponge off it!
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #140 on: June 20, 2006, 12:04:35 pm »
Sounds like most jobs.
Sorry for lying about the unavailablity at Amazon, I must have got confused when there were no copies on ebay!

I've found some pdfs based on some articles. I'm not sure if I agree with them but they make interesting reading (v tired from too much late poker at the mo). You can dowload the zips here  http://www.totalpokerpro.com/book.html if you fancy some reading
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #141 on: June 20, 2006, 02:24:29 pm »
Do you guys tend to play tournaments or just sit-n-go at a table, whichever it is, why?
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #142 on: June 20, 2006, 02:57:25 pm »
Do you guys tend to play tournaments or just sit-n-go at a table, whichever it is, why?

I normally play $20 or $10 (when I'm low) sitngo's. Generally with 10 people but having alot of success recently with 20 person / 30 person tables. I'm still working off the $20 I put in pokerroom 12 weeks ago!

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #143 on: June 20, 2006, 02:58:06 pm »
Do you guys tend to play tournaments or just sit-n-go at a table, whichever it is, why?

quite simply depends how much time ive got. If i've got 2 or 3 hours to kill i'll enter a big multi table tournament of a couple of hundred people, or a free roll (entered a 8,500 entrant freeroll the other day. Finished 36th!)

if i've got half an hour or an hour, just a small tournament, or even just a single table one, will do for me
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #144 on: June 21, 2006, 01:43:42 pm »
Was playing in a pub tornament last night. Bout 40 entries. Got to final table. 10 of us there. On big blind get a 5,2 clubs. FFS.

Nobody raised so checked and on the flop A,3,4. Happy fucking days.

I check. Fella across from me bets 4 grand, fella beside him raises 4. Everybody else folds i call the 8 grand.

The turn was a king. I check, first fella another 4 grand bet, another 4 grand raised.

I'm all in 16 grand. they call me. We turn over cards first fella had pocket Aces, second fella had pocket Kings. Me with 5,2. 50 odd grand in chips coming my way. Happy days!!!!!!!
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #145 on: June 21, 2006, 02:14:15 pm »
Was playing in a pub tornament last night. Bout 40 entries. Got to final table. 10 of us there. On big blind get a 5,2 clubs. FFS.

Nobody raised so checked and on the flop A,3,4. Happy fucking days.

I check. Fella across from me bets 4 grand, fella beside him raises 4. Everybody else folds i call the 8 grand.

The turn was a king. I check, first fella another 4 grand bet, another 4 grand raised.

I'm all in 16 grand. they call me. We turn over cards first fella had pocket Aces, second fella had pocket Kings. Me with 5,2. 50 odd grand in chips coming my way. Happy days!!!!!!!

They both deserve their beats. What a fucking disgusting way to play KK and AA. Horrible, absolutely horrible...

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #146 on: June 21, 2006, 02:20:19 pm »
What's the right way to play it? Presumably before the flop you whack a lot on the table to scare away players from fluking a flush or straight, or 3 of a low kind?

After the flop the 'possible' straight is there, I personally would have excluded the possibilty as only a numpty would have played 5,2 :)  [That's a bit unfair, I can see in tournament poker that make sense, wheras in sit-n-go, [5,2] is giving money away]

oh and how big were there stacks at this point anyhow?


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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #147 on: June 21, 2006, 02:25:31 pm »
They both deserve their beats. What a fucking disgusting way to play KK and AA. Horrible, absolutely horrible...

Agreed. Why would you not even bother with at least a small raise with those cards at a final table. I would at least see if the person on the BB is holding anything of any note, I would imagine that any raise and a 5,2 BB would of folded there and then.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #148 on: June 21, 2006, 02:26:35 pm »
I would bet just under Dermots total stack so if he goes allin I reraise allin. Once AA raises KK reraises anyway and Dermot folds and AA wins.

KK couldnt have played the hand any worse. First he just calls the hand preflop and then when the only card that scares him comes up he starts to reraise. What a dreadful hand

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #149 on: June 21, 2006, 03:05:32 pm »
To give the lads a bit of credit, KK was his first time at the pub game and he was half cut. AA is there every week but he must half had about 7/8 pints in 4 hours
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #151 on: June 21, 2006, 04:44:08 pm »
I find that if you play ridiculously tight, only betting when you know you'll win or if you've got the edge over an opponent (if you're playing face to face, less so if you're online) you'll always get to the last 2 or 3. The only problem is that it can pretty fucking boring if you aren't motivated, and you have to ask yourself if you're playing for the fun of it or for the money. In most games recently, I find I wouldn't have made the same mistakes had I paid say 20 quid to get in instead of 5. I'm guessing this is the same for most, it's a lot easier to adopt a tight-aggressive game than an effective bluffing game.

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #152 on: June 21, 2006, 05:05:07 pm »
I find that if you play ridiculously tight, only betting when you know you'll win or if you've got the edge over an opponent (if you're playing face to face, less so if you're online) you'll always get to the last 2 or 3. The only problem is that it can pretty fucking boring if you aren't motivated, and you have to ask yourself if you're playing for the fun of it or for the money. In most games recently, I find I wouldn't have made the same mistakes had I paid say 20 quid to get in instead of 5. I'm guessing this is the same for most, it's a lot easier to adopt a tight-aggressive game than an effective bluffing game.

The difference in quality of opponents between 5 and 20 is huge. However there doesnt seem to be any difference between 20 and 50

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #153 on: June 21, 2006, 09:32:51 pm »
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #154 on: June 21, 2006, 10:09:09 pm »
Stakes considered, Mivi, that was a shite pot :D

Good hand all the same.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #155 on: June 21, 2006, 10:10:20 pm »
if you hit a pair pre flop, even AA or KK, i'd never slow play them. at least put in a minimum raise. force everyone to put chips into the pot to play the game, especially on a final table with big blinds and where just taking down the pot pre flop is worth a good handful of chips.

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #156 on: June 21, 2006, 11:59:55 pm »
I wish this was real money, just gone from 2000 chips to 62000 chips in under half an hour...
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #157 on: June 23, 2006, 10:17:51 am »
Finished 2nd in a one table tourney last night.

When 2 players who are 'all-in' lose the hand to a 3rd player, how is 2nd/3rd determined?
"All the lads have been talking about is walking out in front of the Kop, with 40,000 singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone'," Collins told BBC Radio Solent. "All the money in the world couldn't buy that feeling," he added.

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #158 on: June 23, 2006, 10:21:37 am »
However had the greater amount of chips at the start of the hand is second. I think.

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #159 on: June 23, 2006, 11:26:05 am »
However had the greater amount of chips at the start of the hand is second. I think.
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