Topic: Not quite so 'Super' League

[4pool]

Some or most are missing another point.

Who is going to Ref the ESL?

Any Ref from the various European Leagues will be banished from domestic competition in order to keep status quo.

Sure it would be great to be away from Mike Rileys boys club but  the domestic leagues Uefa, Fifa will all hold over the Refs that if they go to Ref a ESL match they will lose their status within FIFA, the various Federations, and Leagues.

So what do Refs do? Go work a match or two midweek or be employed for a season?

[JackWard33]

Still not quite sure why I’m supposed to be angry about this / hate this

I’m persuadable either way .... but the idea that it’s for money therefore it’s bad isn’t enough for me - if I had a problem with money in football as a binary I’d have stopped watching when Jack Walker bought the league

If the big clubs want to control their own competition and fuck Uefa off I’m not certain that’s a bad thing?
 

[jillcwhomever]

we’d still be playing in the league though.

the whole thing is a shit show, driven by greed as usual.

Football is eating itself at the highest level in Europe.

The only thing that really intrigued me about this new thing was in having a group who looked into how much money was being spent by the clubs involved. We need this whatever happens as too much money is being spent all over the place. But I could never trust the likes of UEFA to set one up because of the way they have just walked away from their own regulations. The group that is mentioned in the initial article was a name only, so we don't have enough detail of whether its from football or a group from outisde football (which I would prefer).

[Brain Potter]

This fucking stinks. Hate the idea. Just an American marketing mans wet dream.

[ScouserAtHeart]

Yep I don't see why it would be bad for us to be involved in it either, other than this isn't how things used to be or supposed to be

[peachybum]

Yep I don't see why it would be bad for us to be involved in it either, other than this isn't how things used to be or supposed to be

If i had my way we'd have a European Cup of only champions and a unseeded two legged cup format. But i don't. That was scrapped for a group format to generate more money and it hasn't been too bad. I'm sure moving to a Super League won't be too bad either, for those allowed in.

[CalgarianRed]

Interesting news. Thought the big clubs would be okay after the new CL format.

But I guess they want more revenue which makes sense especially for big European clubs who want to compete with the premier league money. And then the likes of Man united, LFC also want to maximize their revenue since they are the reason PL is so popular. Also this guarantees revenue rather than depending on qualifying from the league.

I also agree that letting City get away was a massive failure by UEFA and top clubs must have thought that there is no way they can compete with oil money unless they breakaway to form a Super League.

Either way, I liked the new CL format as it would give us more high quality games, so I am all for a NFL style Super League as well.

[B0151?]

Yep I don't see why it would be bad for us to be involved in it either, other than this isn't how things used to be or supposed to be

Because football should be about merit and not involve closed shops. We've got to the position of being one of the biggest clubs in the world by earning it on the pitch. To deny other clubs of the possibility of doing that is just wrong.

[killer-heels]

Still not quite sure why I’m supposed to be angry about this / hate this

I’m persuadable either way .... but the idea that it’s for money therefore it’s bad isn’t enough for me - if I had a problem with money in football as a binary I’d have stopped watching when Jack Walker bought the league

If the big clubs want to control their own competition and fuck Uefa off I’m not certain that’s a bad thing?
 

Ultimately it depends on how much domestic leagues are affected.

[[new username under construction]]

I'm assuming that this is our and Utd's idea of how to compete against the state run clubs? you can't ban them, can't limit them so try getting as much money as possible so it becomes irrelevant? You're always in the competition, you're handed half a billion every year from it etc

[Samie]

Adapt or die. Simple as that.

[Dim Glas]

Adapt or die. Simple as that.

prefer not to adapt to an US styled closed shop though. All very franchisey.

[CHOPPER]

Still not quite sure why I’m supposed to be angry about this / hate this

I’m persuadable either way .... but the idea that it’s for money therefore it’s bad isn’t enough for me - if I had a problem with money in football as a binary I’d have stopped watching when Jack Walker bought the league

If the big clubs want to control their own competition and fuck Uefa off I’m not certain that’s a bad thing?
 

Because people on the internet tell you, you should be.

[Coolie High]

Because football should be about merit and not involve closed shops. We've got to the position of being one of the biggest clubs in the world by earning it on the pitch. To deny other clubs of the possibility of doing that is just wrong.

These people don’t care about smaller clubs, grassroots football or anything of the likes, many of these fans mentality are no different to the City and Chelsea’s they denigrate.

[4pool]

This fucking stinks. Hate the idea. Just an American marketing mans wet dream.

yet started by an Italian club--Juventus.

[jillcwhomever]

Miguel Delaney
@MiguelDelaney
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25m
Am told there is "chaos" in European football now, and a "race against time"
Many feel Super League threat still just brinkmanship but if there is a formal announcement (some think tonight) it would be point of no return and "end of football" as we know it

[ScouserAtHeart]

Because football should be about merit and not involve closed shops. We've got to the position of being one of the biggest clubs in the world by earning it on the pitch. To deny other clubs of the possibility of doing that is just wrong.

And everything we earnt was being taken away by 2-3 teams who have unlimited money, which is also wrong. This would help us compete on a more even footing.

[ScouserAtHeart]

These people don’t care about smaller clubs, grassroots football or anything of the likes, many of these fans are no different to the City and Chelsea’s they denigrate in mentality.

Make sure you're wearing jacket. Gets pretty cold up on that high horse.

[Dim Glas]

Miguel Delaney
@MiguelDelaney
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25m
Am told there is "chaos" in European football now, and a "race against time"
Many feel Super League threat still just brinkmanship but if there is a formal announcement (some think tonight) it would be point of no return and "end of football" as we know it

End of football as I knew it was when clubs where allowed to be owned by human rights abusers, but that’s seen as perfectly acceptable to everyone. Be it the media, fans, other teams, and the leagues.

So in that sense, it’s all just a bit ‘whatever’ for me, it’s been a shitshow for years, lets add another level!

[ljycb]

These people don’t care about smaller clubs, grassroots football or anything of the likes, many of these fans are no different to the City and Chelsea’s they denigrate in mentality.

Exactly right.

[Coolie High]

And everything we earnt was being taken away by 2-3 teams who have unlimited money, which is also wrong. This would help us compete on a more even footing.

Even footing for what though? It makes the domestic leagues even more meaningless, what are we even trying to get equal footing for at this point? To stuff more money in the owners pockets it seems.

[B0151?]

And everything we earnt was being taken away by 2-3 teams who have unlimited money, which is also wrong. This would help us compete on a more even footing.

I feel like some of the people cheering this on would have opened their arms wide to similar owners to the ones City and PSG have... So that argument really holds no weight with me. City and PSG and their owners will love this opportunity to be in and win this.

[liverbloke]

so will the refs and var also be super in this super duper league too?

or do we get superly duperly screwed over just the same but with more money?

[Jm55]

Will be a real real shame not to be a part of the European Cup anymore, 6 times etc etc.

[peachybum]

Because football should be about merit and not involve closed shops. We've got to the position of being one of the biggest clubs in the world by earning it on the pitch. To deny other clubs of the possibility of doing that is just wrong.

We've won European cups without winning our own league. How is that okay? We've been Champions of the World and Europe without being Champions of England. That shouldn't be possible. It's shite that it's possible. How is it wrong we should be a permanent member of a European Super league but it's okay to play in a 'Champions' League finishing 4th.

[CHOPPER]

Miguel Delaney
@MiguelDelaney
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25m
Am told there is "chaos" in European football now, and a "race against time"
Many feel Super League threat still just brinkmanship but if there is a formal announcement (some think tonight) it would be point of no return and "end of football" as we know it

As they know it.

[stardorman]

John W Henry to be vice chairman of the Super league. WTF

[CalgarianRed]

Because football should be about merit and not involve closed shops. We've got to the position of being one of the biggest clubs in the world by earning it on the pitch. To deny other clubs of the possibility of doing that is just wrong.

That is true, but then you have the likes of City and Chelsea who cheat their way to success due to being funded by a oil dictatorship and a Russian oligarch gangster. There are no rules to stop this. Newcastle was very close to being bought by Saudi state. And it will eventually happen.

So the only solution to protect big clubs could be a closed shop super league. You only have to look at Arsenal and how far they have fallen. That could happen to any big club as they simply cannot compete with clubs like City and Chelsea. They spent money during a pandemic when even the likes of Real and Barca could not.

[Coolie High]

We've won European cups without winning our own league. How is that okay? We've been Champions of the World and Europe without being Champions of England. That shouldn't be possible. It's shite that it's possible. How is it wrong we should be a permanent member of a European Super league but it's okay to play in a 'Champions' League finishing 4th.

Because it’s a cup competition? I don’t get your point there are plenty times we haven’t qualified for the CL also, even this season it’s in jeopardy.

[B0151?]

We've won European cups without winning our own league. How is that okay? We've been Champions of the World and Europe without being Champions of England. That shouldn't be possible. It's shite that it's possible. How is it wrong we should be a permanent member of a European Super league but it's okay to play in a 'Champions' League finishing 4th.

I don't think it entirely is but it's still not a closed shop is it? We still qualified to be in those competitions based on our performance from the previous season.

And do you not care what this will do to domestic football?

[ScouserAtHeart]

Even footing for what though? It makes the domestic leagues even more meaningless, what are we even trying to get equal footing for at this point? To stuff more money in the owners pockets it seems.

To buy better players? Have a better squad? Win more things? We didn't have any money to buy a defender the season after winning the league.

I don't know if the new money would go to FSG's pockets. If it does, I'd agree with you. But they haven't been that kind of owners so far.

[ScouserAtHeart]

I don't think it entirely is but it's still not a closed shop is it? We still qualified to be in those competitions based on our performance from the previous season.

And do you not care what this will do to domestic football?

What will it do to domestic football? It's not like everyone has the same budget now, is it?

[stardorman]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9484141/FIVE-Premier-League-teams-sign-European-Super-League-snub-UEFA.html

This story is moving so fast. Henry one of a few vice chairmen

[ljycb]

We didn't have any money to buy a defender the season after winning the league.

Poor us.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

This is shit

[Samie]

European Super League details:

Chairman: Florentino Perez [Real Madrid]
Vice-Chairman: Stan Kroenke [Arsenal]
Vice-Chairman: Andrea Agnelli [Juventus]
Vice-Chairman: John W. Henry [Liverpool]
Vice-Chairman: Joel Glazer [Manchester United]

[B0151?]

That is true, but then you have the likes of City and Chelsea who cheat their way to success due to being funded by a oil dictatorship and a Russian oligarch gangster. There are no rules to stop this. Newcastle was very close to being bought by Saudi state. And it will eventually happen.

So the only solution to protect big clubs could be a closed shop super league. You only have to look at Arsenal and how far they have fallen. That could happen to any big club as they simply cannot compete with clubs like City and Chelsea. They spent money during a pandemic when even the likes of Real and Barca could not.

You are deluding yourself if you think that this competition isn't music to the ears of City and PSG owners if they will be involved. Permanent prestige for their projects now.

[ScouserAtHeart]

I feel like some of the people cheering this on would have opened their arms wide to similar owners to the ones City and PSG have... So that argument really holds no weight with me. City and PSG and their owners will love this opportunity to be in and win this.

I can't speak for everyone, but no, I wouldn't want that. What I do want is those owners not to have an advantage anymore. Which is what this competition will enforce. In theory at least.

[Samie]

John W Henry will be one of 4 Vice Chairman's of the ESL.

[ScouserAtHeart]

Poor us.

Great argument, well made.