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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1120 on: November 18, 2017, 10:06:30 am »
A total chancer appointed by an awfully run club in a terrible state. What could go wrong?

He could have gone to Everton. He missed a bullet there.

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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1121 on: November 18, 2017, 10:19:47 am »
He's a shite manager who got carried through the Euros by Bale.

If you strip down the Euro 2016 campaign game for game, there was 2 impressive results. Belgium and Russia. The other 2 tests they had against decent teams (England and Portugal) they were beaten.

What's he ever done as a manager bar that tournament to be above Sunderland, he's on loads of money now, and Sunderland are a big club who can get no worse, so he's essentially starting at a base of 'I can do no worse'. Smart by him really, and if he's sacked he just gets a fat pay cheque and blames Sunderland for being in the mess already!



Exactly this. Decent performance on the far inferior international stage shouldn't count for much. His years for Fulham in the PL, and his more recent jobs, show that the Championship is about his level. And Sunderland are one of the biggest fanbases at that level.

He's basically like a 'specialist' fixer headteacher, joining a school in special measures on a short term overpaid contract. Either the last 18 months of terrible performances regress to the mean, allowing Coleman to claim credit for basically nothing, or they continue to perform like shite and he moves on with his reputation intact, easily being able to blame the clubs difficulties as the cause of his inability to improve them. Then if it's anything like these headteachers, he'll get a knighthood

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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1122 on: November 18, 2017, 10:36:27 am »
Exactly this. Decent performance on the far inferior international stage shouldn't count for much. His years for Fulham in the PL, and his more recent jobs, show that the Championship is about his level. And Sunderland are one of the biggest fanbases at that level.

He's basically like a 'specialist' fixer headteacher, joining a school in special measures on a short term overpaid contract. Either the last 18 months of terrible performances regress to the mean, allowing Coleman to claim credit for basically nothing, or they continue to perform like shite and he moves on with his reputation intact, easily being able to blame the clubs difficulties as the cause of his inability to improve them. Then if it's anything like these headteachers, he'll get a knighthood

His reputation is high enough where he can just not bother with this kind of job though. If he was smart he'd look at the Championship table and realise some very appealing jobs could be available in the not too distant future. Leeds are falling down the table at a rate of knots, Norwich and Fulham are languishing below halfway too. It's easy to say his reputation won't be affected if he has a mare at Sunderland but why even bother taking the risk?

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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1123 on: November 18, 2017, 10:53:56 am »
I dunno I think it's fairly risk free, if he merely keeps them up he will be regarded as a hero up there, Sunderland fans have had to put up with so much crap he won't have to do that much for a couple of seasons at least I reckon.

If they go down (again) then there's a fair chance he walks away blame free.  They are absolutely shocking tho' and they could well end up in League 2 never mind League 1. 

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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1124 on: November 18, 2017, 10:59:52 am »
He's a shite manager who got carried through the Euros by Bale.

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« Reply #1125 on: November 18, 2017, 11:07:57 am »
Fucking hell, why would Coleman take the Sunderland job when there will be several mid table premier league jobs available in the next few months?


I know people have joked about Everton, but why aren't they being linked? They were linked with Fat Sam, FFS. And now Silva (still unproven). They're not big, good or high profile enough to attract a top tier manager, so surely Coleman fits the realistic profile well.

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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1126 on: November 18, 2017, 12:30:47 pm »
His reputation is high enough where he can just not bother with this kind of job though. If he was smart he'd look at the Championship table and realise some very appealing jobs could be available in the not too distant future. Leeds are falling down the table at a rate of knots, Norwich and Fulham are languishing below halfway too. It's easy to say his reputation won't be affected if he has a mare at Sunderland but why even bother taking the risk?

It's the opposite way around, I think. If he joins Leeds, Norwich or Fulham, there'll be expectations. We see this a lot with poor managers, especially ones with inferiority complexes like Moyes and Hodgson. It's more important for them to dedicate time to managing expectations and their perceived image as a grafter (whose players aren't trying), than it is to back their ability as a coach and a manager to improve a side.

The risk is in joining a side where people outside the club would be aware of your results, and scrutinise them. If he joined Sunderland and kept being this awful, he'd either get a big pay reward at the end of the season, with no reputation damage (so owners stupid enough to think he's a good manager because: Wales, and there are plenty of stupid owners, would be able to pick him up for free then). Or he stays on in a cushy high paid job, and tries to get them promoted in a much easier league
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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1127 on: November 18, 2017, 12:30:52 pm »
They can fall much further, relegation is very possible and I wouldn't fancy them getting promoted from League 1. According to a Barry Glendenning article in August they're £110m in debt.

They are in a worse situation than Bolton, another massively in debt former PL mainstay, who believed they had a right to be back in the PL and relegation was just a blip

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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1128 on: November 18, 2017, 12:34:32 pm »

I know people have joked about Everton, but why aren't they being linked? They were linked with Fat Sam, FFS. And now Silva (still unproven). They're not big, good or high profile enough to attract a top tier manager, so surely Coleman fits the realistic profile well.



Allardyce and Silva are far superior to Coleman. If Silva's unproven, and Coleman's years of miserable league performance is proven, I'd rather go for unproven

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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1129 on: November 18, 2017, 12:34:41 pm »
The sage that is Jermaine Jenas reckons they'd be better off in League One, to rebuild. Rebuild with what? Throw in even more dwindling crowds and a bigger debt, resulting in less chance of new ownership. Buffoon.
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« Reply #1130 on: November 18, 2017, 12:37:19 pm »
I can't stand Coleman,the guy has an ego the size of a house and thinks it was him and him alone who developed Woodburn.

Shocking job to take and everyone knows it's not going to end well,again his ego at play again as he thinks not.
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« Reply #1131 on: November 18, 2017, 01:16:07 pm »
The sage that is Jermaine Jenas reckons they'd be better off in League One, to rebuild. Rebuild with what? Throw in even more dwindling crowds and a bigger debt, resulting in less chance of new ownership. Buffoon.

That would only work if they committed themselves to a long-term plan. However, they have done nothing of the sort in recent seasons. They needed this summer to have a massive rethink of their long-term goals and to publicly endorse a cultural shift. They didn't do that at all. Since 2010/11, they've had nine permanent managers, signed more than 100 players, had three different CEOs and two Directors of Football.

Sunderland should be focusing on youth development as a way to build up their squad and seek to boost sale profits. Yet, you can count the number of players they have developed in recent years that have made an impact on one hand: Pickford, Henderson, Colback. Everything with them is short-term and has been about buying players rather than developing them. Thus, you end up with a managerial merry-go-round, lack of homegrown talent and the endemic need to sign loads of players every summer.

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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1132 on: November 18, 2017, 04:20:44 pm »
West Brom could have been available tomorrow!

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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1133 on: November 18, 2017, 06:49:16 pm »
Sunderland became the first team in English football history to fail to win in 20 successive home games in all competitions, drawing against Millwall.

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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1134 on: November 19, 2017, 10:59:33 am »
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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1137 on: November 21, 2017, 02:39:10 pm »
That would only work if they committed themselves to a long-term plan. However, they have done nothing of the sort in recent seasons. They needed this summer to have a massive rethink of their long-term goals and to publicly endorse a cultural shift. They didn't do that at all. Since 2010/11, they've had nine permanent managers, signed more than 100 players, had three different CEOs and two Directors of Football.

Sunderland should be focusing on youth development as a way to build up their squad and seek to boost sale profits. Yet, you can count the number of players they have developed in recent years that have made an impact on one hand: Pickford, Henderson, Colback. Everything with them is short-term and has been about buying players rather than developing them. Thus, you end up with a managerial merry-go-round, lack of homegrown talent and the endemic need to sign loads of players every summer.
Exactly. Wolves did this and they rebuilt and will probably get promoted this year and become a mainstay in the PL like Stoke.

I don't think Sunderland have that planning at all.
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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1138 on: November 21, 2017, 04:06:11 pm »
Exactly. Wolves did this and they rebuilt and will probably get promoted this year and become a mainstay in the PL like Stoke.

I don't think Sunderland have that planning at all.
Wolves are going up because they are spending huge amounts having been taken over of money and have Jorge Mendes helping them. They spent ages as a nothing Championship side before that.

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Re: Sunderland
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« Reply #1140 on: November 22, 2017, 04:56:28 pm »
Down down, deeper and down.

You's will be playing Gateshead F.C. in the Vanarama National League soon you fucking bellends     :thumbup

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« Reply #1141 on: November 22, 2017, 04:57:17 pm »
 . . . . and I'll be betting on Gateshead to turn you's over    :P

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« Reply #1142 on: November 23, 2017, 12:10:25 pm »
Down down, deeper and down.

You's will be playing Gateshead F.C. in the Vanarama National League soon you fucking bellends     :thumbup

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« Reply #1143 on: November 23, 2017, 04:40:59 pm »
Ahhhhh, what a difference a year makes huh.

From a year ago, "If we were playing Rotherham and Burton Albion week in, week out we would be top of the League as well".

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« Reply #1145 on: November 23, 2017, 05:04:03 pm »
I have this irrational hatred of these fuckers, and Coleman further adds to the sheer shithousery on offer, fuck them.

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« Reply #1146 on: November 23, 2017, 05:54:22 pm »
I have this irrational hatred of these fuckers, and Coleman further adds to the sheer shithousery on offer, fuck them.
I know he's an idiot, but why ohh why would he leave the Wales job to go to the village of the damned?

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« Reply #1147 on: November 23, 2017, 05:55:27 pm »
I have this irrational hatred of these fuckers, and Coleman further adds to the sheer shithousery on offer, fuck them.

Its not irrational, they're fucking twats
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Sunderland
« Reply #1149 on: December 3, 2017, 06:47:34 pm »
Apparently there's a story going around of some guy who took a shit in his seat at the Stadium of Light. According to onlookers, he was high on something.

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« Reply #1151 on: December 3, 2017, 07:50:42 pm »
Fuck sakes, spoiler that shit.  :D

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« Reply #1152 on: December 3, 2017, 07:59:14 pm »
Fuck sakes, spoiler that shit.  :D

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« Reply #1153 on: December 3, 2017, 08:00:13 pm »
On the plus side for Sunderland, looks they’re signing Marek Hamsik.

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« Reply #1154 on: December 3, 2017, 08:01:08 pm »
On the plus side for Sunderland, looks they’re signing Marek Hamsik.

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If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Sunderland
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« Reply #1156 on: December 5, 2017, 09:28:50 pm »
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« Reply #1157 on: December 5, 2017, 09:47:01 pm »
Hmm.  Not sure I would be impressed with them writing to salah or Gomez for instance in such terms

I doubt there's an ulterior motive when it comes to Duncan Watmore though ;)
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« Reply #1158 on: February 17, 2018, 07:34:15 pm »
Down down, deeper and down     :lickin

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« Reply #1159 on: February 17, 2018, 08:22:29 pm »
5 wins out of 32, bloody hell.  That’s less than they managed in the Premiership last season.