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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2040 on: February 7, 2009, 06:35:26 pm »
The banks have advised that they are unwilling to renew any loan already.

Yes no evidance YET.  But time will tell. Does not excuse people spillin a load of shit.

Pako and Rafa have been talking again for a while so I've been told, he got told in jan last year after the inter game and xbai wanted go stay with his wife Rafa went on one at him, dropped him so his agent was talking to barca and real without the consent of the club.
I hope that's right, hated it when Rafa lost his best mate.
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2041 on: February 7, 2009, 08:06:42 pm »
To "ro da red" and "Gedo", as both of you seem to have some modicum of inside knowledge, what does Ian Ayre really do for the club? 2 years on and I don't see any expansion in our marketting. I care nothing for Parry only that he should suffer 20 lashes before bedtime for selling the club to these pirates, but I still can't accept he is wholly responsible for the embarrassing and costly business with Keane. Do either of you know if Ian Ayre had input into the purchase of Keane in the first place? Did he see Keane as a revenue generator amongst the Irish fans, having opened up an LFC shop in Ireland?

Harry, ian ayre is a hicks apointee and serves his master well, yes he's a troublemaker but he would have no say in
player recomendations. like gedo says keep a hard hat on in march

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2042 on: February 7, 2009, 08:18:16 pm »
If the charlie uniform november tango told me tomorrow was Friday i wouldn't believe him!
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2043 on: February 7, 2009, 08:59:40 pm »
Harry, ian ayre is a hicks apointee and serves his master well, yes he's a troublemaker but he would have no say in
player recomendations. like gedo says keep a hard hat on in march

Thanks zimmy, I've now got sore ears as I've had that hat on for some time now.  ;)
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2044 on: February 7, 2009, 09:24:04 pm »
What's happening in March, it's big enough month for all of us as it is with Real and the Mancs - I can't believe how embarrasing this has become and how little our club matters to those on the board.

What is going to happen next month?

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2045 on: February 7, 2009, 09:35:22 pm »
Harry, ian ayre is a hicks apointee and serves his master well, yes he's a troublemaker but he would have no say in
player recomendations. like gedo says keep a hard hat on in march

Alrite Zimmy, is March based on something you know or just a gut feeling?
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2046 on: February 8, 2009, 01:12:48 am »
The banks have advised that they are unwilling to renew any loan already.
Yes no evidence YET.  But time will tell.

You make my point for me by contradicting yourself in two consecutive sentences.You may THINK they have, but they have not confirmed it.
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2047 on: February 8, 2009, 01:13:48 am »
Its fucking unbelievable. We are top of the league and yet this is the most depressed I have ever been in 30 years about the state of the club.
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2048 on: February 8, 2009, 01:31:04 am »
Except for the fact that the banks have new owners and new lending policies, you mean?

A new loan will be approved if and only if G&H convince the banks, in accordance with the stricter criteria, that the loan could (in principle) be paid off in full at the end of the new loan period.

I cant speak for Wachovia, but I think RBS's new policy is clear.  If they are not satisfied that a new loan could be repaid in full, then they do not renew.  On the contrary they insist on the payments under the existing arrangements and if there is any shortfall (after the personal guarantees have been taken into account), then they write off the remainder as a bad debt.

IMHO, the new loans that will be offered to the LFC companies will be smaller than the existing loans UNLESS G&H come up with larger personal guarantees than the current ones (and I do not think they would be willing or able to do so).


Having said that, the news on the new TV deals must be much better than expected.  Not only has the money gone up  (only by a small amount, but it was already huge), but the most secure company, Sky, has now got 5 of the packages.  So the risks of one of the TV companies going bust during the new deal are as low as could have been hoped for.  All of these factors will improve their banks' view of the lending risk.

We both agree that a renewed loan will require more cash in to ease the LTV ratio. The assertion that a new loan "will not be given" though,is just plain wrong.

The rest of what you say is broadly true, but a bit misleading to the casual observer.There is no question of any guarantees being surrendered - because we are aware of no default on payment. And, assuming that our debt is circa the £300 odd million mark that is "covered "by the residual value of the club after a disposal of our star players. (Man City sold for £220m pro rata, a similar sized club less star players).

Banks actually NEED to lend money at the moment, to make money, its just the security has to be right, and we are not nearly as badly off in this regard as some would make out.You were right to echo my earlier point that the new TV deal will be better, not worse than the existing one.

I agree that G&H are unlikely to want to fund easing the LTV ratio - and I think that we both agree that the "solution" will be a new minority interest cash injection with Gillett most likely to dispose.
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2049 on: February 8, 2009, 07:14:35 am »
Its fucking unbelievable. We are top of the league and yet this is the most depressed I have ever been in 30 years about the state of the club.

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2050 on: February 8, 2009, 10:47:57 am »
from the Beeb -

Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry is in the running to succeed Brian Barwick as the FA's chief executive. (Sunday Express)
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2051 on: February 8, 2009, 10:50:38 am »
from the Beeb -

Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry is in the running to succeed Brian Barwick as the FA's chief executive. (Sunday Express)

On the one hand I'm hoping he gets it but then you wonder what tool will Hicks & Gillet replace him with.

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2052 on: February 8, 2009, 10:56:24 am »
On the one hand I'm hoping he gets it but then you wonder what tool will Hicks & Gillet replace him with.

Ian Ayre :(

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2053 on: February 8, 2009, 12:33:06 pm »
can some1 please fill me in whats so big about march not been on this thread in afew days went through 2pages of crap and dont fancy 4more! thanks
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2054 on: February 8, 2009, 01:01:37 pm »
can some1 please fill me in whats so big about march not been on this thread in afew days went through 2pages of crap and dont fancy 4more! thanks
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2055 on: February 8, 2009, 03:08:14 pm »
its a secret

But we all need our tin hats on in March apparently.
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2056 on: February 8, 2009, 03:32:27 pm »
Go and order your Tin Hat for March ;)

Give us a clue.

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2057 on: February 8, 2009, 03:55:38 pm »
Give us a clue.

A few people think March April and May see us sold/inverstment.

Am one, just from reading reports and quotes made, these things take time (buy out).

Some ITK's are saying April/May time could be earlyer, but one thing i am sure of is that Shieak Mo will not buy us.
I said that even tho Dubai has lost a lot money, the fecker is still minted.
but reading some reports about people doing one leaving behind big loans/mortages, cant be good as the Dubai goverment (shiek Mo) will have to write it off as bad debt

So i think we will be stuck with that fat faced fucker and the kewaities, next couple of weeks will be intresting
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2058 on: February 8, 2009, 04:33:34 pm »
this thread has managed to reach a new low.

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2059 on: February 8, 2009, 04:41:22 pm »
this thread has managed to reach a new low.

New low?
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2060 on: February 8, 2009, 04:43:17 pm »
New low?

nothing to do with the americans but the bickering between the informed, with one wanting to prove he is more informed then the other with the certainty that at least one is talking bollocks

i know which one i would back anyway.

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2061 on: February 8, 2009, 04:49:29 pm »

i know which one i would back anyway.

4pool :P
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2062 on: February 8, 2009, 04:55:33 pm »
A few people think March April and May see us sold/inverstment.

Am one, just from reading reports and quotes made, these things take time (buy out).

Some ITK's are saying April/May time could be earlyer, but one thing i am sure of is that Shieak Mo will not buy us.
I said that even tho Dubai has lost a lot money, the fecker is still minted.
but reading some reports about people doing one leaving behind big loans/mortages, cant be good as the Dubai goverment (shiek Mo) will have to write it off as bad debt

So i think we will be stuck with that fat faced fucker and the kewaities, next couple of weeks will be intresting

Ok, but I wanted Gedo's take on the tin hat thing. Anyone of us can speculate but there are some like Gedo who have genuine sources.
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2063 on: February 8, 2009, 04:57:36 pm »
Ok, but I wanted Gedo's take on the tin hat thing. Anyone of us can speculate but there are some like Gedo who have genuine sources.
Parry expects to be out of a job by this March.

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2064 on: February 8, 2009, 05:00:12 pm »
Parry expects to be out of a job by this March.

Cheers, any more snippets, like why March, and how can Hicks get rid of him when I thought that Gillett was all for keeping him on?

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2065 on: February 8, 2009, 05:01:42 pm »
Parry expects to be out of a job by this March.
By the hands of new owners?
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2066 on: February 8, 2009, 05:02:26 pm »
Parry expects to be out of a job by this March.

Gedo, is this to do with what ali posted today:
"from the Beeb -

Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry is in the running to succeed Brian Barwick as the FA's chief executive. (Sunday Express)"

Maybe as Chief Exec of the FA he'll manage to change the ownership rules....Thanks but no Yanks?  ;)
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2067 on: February 8, 2009, 05:17:05 pm »
Gedo, is this to do with what ali posted today:
"from the Beeb -

Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry is in the running to succeed Brian Barwick as the FA's chief executive. (Sunday Express)"

Maybe as Chief Exec of the FA he'll manage to change the ownership rules....Thanks but no Yanks?  ;)

God can you imagine what damage he will do at the FA!

If Rafa agrees his new contract in the next two weeks (as suggested by the People) that kinda renders Parry redundant with Ayre doing the real commercial stuff.
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2068 on: February 8, 2009, 05:46:46 pm »
this thread has managed to reach a new low.
Well it has now :P

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2069 on: February 8, 2009, 06:00:27 pm »
I thought there was a danger if Parry leaves with regards to the boardroom voting ?!?!
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2070 on: February 8, 2009, 06:08:59 pm »
I thought there was a danger if Parry leaves with regards to the boardroom voting ?!?!

We have been told all through this saga that the main reason why Moores went with the Yanks was because they were going to retain Parry as CEO. In fact, SoS have said, if I'm correct, that Moores would not openly back the fans against the Yanks because Parry's job had to be protected. So isn't it a bit rich now to hear coco is looking for another post outside the club?
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2071 on: February 8, 2009, 06:14:33 pm »
We have been told all through this saga that the main reason why Moores went with the Yanks was because they were going to retain Parry as CEO. In fact, SoS have said, if I'm correct, that Moores would not openly back the fans against the Yanks because Parry's job had to be protected. So isn't it a bit rich now to hear coco is looking for another post outside the club?

I think Parry genuinely loves the club but I think his methods and self interest have been one of the main reasons we are in the mess we are now.

Somethings goto give for this to be resolved and in fairness Parry should have stepped down when the new owners took over. Removing Parry will at least prompt a shake up and hopefully we will have a better understanding od where the clubs future lies.

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2072 on: February 8, 2009, 06:19:40 pm »
Alrite Zimmy, is March based on something you know or just a gut feeling?

hiya mate, bit of both but i have heard  parry to be gone by seasons end and ayre is being touted to step up.
gedo seems to have confirmed the first part.

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2073 on: February 8, 2009, 06:22:38 pm »
nothing to do with the americans but the bickering between the informed, with one wanting to prove he is more informed then the other with the certainty that at least one is talking bollocks

i know which one i would back anyway.

know one could be as informed or as masterfull as you sweetheart !!!

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2074 on: February 8, 2009, 06:23:43 pm »

know one could be as informed or as masterfull as you sweetheart !!!

what is that meant to me, or is this just another one in your constant digs at me, without explanation or rationality?

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2075 on: February 8, 2009, 07:00:52 pm »
so apparently Parry is serving his notice :P
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2076 on: February 8, 2009, 07:04:57 pm »
A few people think March April and May see us sold/inverstment.

Am one, just from reading reports and quotes made, these things take time (buy out).

Some ITK's are saying April/May time could be earlyer, but one thing i am sure of is that Shieak Mo will not buy us.
I said that even tho Dubai has lost a lot money, the fecker is still minted.
but reading some reports about people doing one leaving behind big loans/mortages, cant be good as the Dubai goverment (shiek Mo) will have to write it off as bad debt

So i think we will be stuck with that fat faced fucker and the kewaities, next couple of weeks will be intresting

they are gonna be disappointed.
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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2077 on: February 8, 2009, 07:19:53 pm »
they are gonna be disappointed.

Meaning?

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2078 on: February 8, 2009, 07:31:18 pm »
Don't bank on it being Ayres as there are a number of people interested in the position. Don't know who. Also, Gillett is ok with it.

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Re: Liverpool owners granted an extra six months to repay the club's debt
« Reply #2079 on: February 8, 2009, 07:32:34 pm »
I think Parry genuinely loves the club but I think his methods and self interest have been one of the main reasons we are in the mess we are now.

Somethings goto give for this to be resolved and in fairness Parry should have stepped down when the new owners took over. Removing Parry will at least prompt a shake up and hopefully we will have a better understanding od where the clubs future lies.

Yeh , Ive read on either this forum or TLW that as much as Parry seems to be a clown he didnt have it easy when he came to LFC as CEO , we were so old school at the time that alot of work had to be done to keep up with the likes of Utd in terms of marketing , Parry had alot on his hands at this time and the club wouldnt bring anyone in to dea with just the marketing side of things . Im sure Parry loves the club and I know that he has fucked up alot but he has also done well to keep us within touching distance of Man Utd considering we havent won the PL but are always still regarded as one of the big 4 but I do think its time to move on and get with the programme in the sense of marketing the club and getting more and more sponsorship and the change will do us the world of good and perhaps we can start moving in the right direction and all in Unison ........
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