Topic: Welcome to Liverpool, Fabio Carvalho

[Red Dane]

moneyball transfer

[jckliew]

moneyball transfer

Yes. Cheap potential.

[Dim Glas]

Loan to RB Leipzig is now official

https://twitter.com/RBLeipzig/status/1674760169895362564?s=20

https://twitter.com/RBLeipzig/status/1674791705105809410?s=20

[Eeyore]

Loan to RB Leipzig is now official

https://twitter.com/RBLeipzig/status/1674760169895362564?s=20

https://twitter.com/RBLeipzig/status/1674791705105809410?s=20

Bit of a strange deal for RB to do.

Without a way of making the deal permanent, you would think RB would prefer to give the development time to one of their players.

[Dim Glas]

Bit of a strange deal for RB to do.

Without a way of making the deal permanent, you would think RB would prefer to give the development time to one of their players.

Nothing to stop them trying to sign him next summer. They are happy to do this, then it’s another sign Liverpool and the RB clubs have a solid relationship.

It’ll actually be a big test for him this, which is good.

[tubby]

Potentially fills the gap left by Szoboszlai.  Interested to see how he gets on.

[shank94]

Why they got our boy doing keepy uppies in oversized pyjamas, surely we got a 100k for allowing this to happen

[xbugawugax]

all the best for the young lad. hopefully he can impress there.

as things remain fluid, there just might be a chance he comes back and become a hit with our new tactical set up.

[Eeyore]

Nothing to stop them trying to sign him next summer. They are happy to do this, then it’s another sign Liverpool and the RB clubs have a solid relationship.

It’ll actually be a big test for him this, which is good.

Yeh, I think it is a pretty ideal move for Carvalho if he can get the game time.

[The G in Gerrard]

Good luck to him & hope he can return and be a success here.

[mikey_LFC]

Worth buying him just for kickstarting the dialogue with Leipzig. They’re turning into a good little feeder system for us.

[Original]

Definitely wangled a first refusal at least under the radar as park of this Szoboszlai deal

[farawayred]

Definitely wangled a first refusal at least under the radar as park of this Szoboszlai deal

Not a chance. They are taking us to the cleaners, 60m in a lump sum. Had they agreed a breakdown in payments, then that would make sense.

[newterp]

Not a chance. They are taking us to the cleaners, 60m in a lump sum. Had they agreed a breakdown in payments, then that would make sense.

Why are they taking us to the cleaners? One of the top young talents in Europe? A player coveted by Newcastle (maybe even Coty)?

Mason fucking Mount is costing more or less this much at 3x the wages.

This is a good deal for us.

[Samie]

Not a chance. They are taking us to the cleaners, 60m in a lump sum. Had they agreed a breakdown in payments, then that would make sense.

60 million for Sobby is not being "taken to the cleaners" at all. 

[Knight]

Sure but they're not doing us a deal, we're just triggering a clause, I think that's what he meant.

[Chakan]

We pay too much we don't pay enough, we get players we don't get players.

People are never happy. Wow.

[farawayred]

60 million for Sobby is not being "taken to the cleaners" at all. 

I said in a lump sum, that's taking to the cleaners. The overall price seems fine, I agree with the several responses. But the amortization of his fee will put us in a disadvantage when looking to sign other players, and we need a significant rebuild. We wouldn't need to spend similar money next year.

Sure but they're not doing us a deal, we're just triggering a clause, I think that's what he meant.

Yes, fine. But read what I replied to - Carvalho sweetening the pot, essentially.

[RJH]

I said in a lump sum, that's taking to the cleaners. The overall price seems fine, but the amortization of his fee will put us in a disadvantage when looking to sign other players, and we need a significant rebuild. We wouldn't need to spend similar money next year.

The amortization of his fee is unrelated to the payment structure. It would be over the length of the contract (to a max of 5 years), whether Liverpool paid the fee in one go or over 10 years.

[JP-65]

I said in a lump sum, that's taking to the cleaners. The overall price seems fine, but the amortization of his fee will put us in a disadvantage when looking to sign other players, and we need a significant rebuild. We wouldn't need to spend similar money next year.

Amortization is dependent on the contract length, not how it's funded.

Paying a cash lump upfront affects cash flow and would impact other signing's in the window unless LFC's lump payment has been funded by alternative sources, for example, a factoring entity rather than from cash resources or LFC's loan facility

[farawayred]

OK, it's clear that I'm not a financial guru. I'm just saying that paying this summer, 60m for him and 35 for AMA (also upfront, I believe), plus the several other players we need to strengthen, we'll probably spend close to 120m or more. Instead of spreading the players cost over more manageable payments. FSG don't seem to splash the cash like United always and Arsenal now.

[Schmidt]

Kind of a surprising deal, Carvalho is obviously very talented and I could absolutely see them buying him, but loaning with no guarantee that they'll keep him seems like an unusual step for Leipzig.

I wonder if Carvalho has perhaps shown enough eagerness to go there that they think after a good loan spell he'd push for a permanent deal? Probably good for all parties in that case, he gets to play at a high level, Leipzig get to sell the club to him and we likely end up with a player who's worth a lot more.

[JP-65]

OK, it's clear that I'm not a financial guru. I'm just saying that paying this summer, 60m for him and 35 for AMA (also upfront, I believe), plus the several other players we need to strengthen, we'll probably spend close to 120m or more. Instead of spreading the players cost over more manageable payments. FSG don't seem to splash the cash like United always and Arsenal now.

The two transactions, being one's where we activated release clauses, are cash heavy upfront. 
We've probably funded it via a factoring entity, at a cost in the longer term, but preserving our ability to do other deal's in this window, if we so choose.

[JP!]

Doubt he plays for us again to be honest, never know like.  Hope he does well there, he's got talent, but always seemed an incongruous fit with us.

[Samie]

Definitely not a Kloppo signing it seems.

https://twitter.com/ManuelVeth/status/1683524348127350784

Fábio Carvalho when he asked whether Klopp gave him any advice on joining #RBLeipzig:

“I don’t really speak to him, to be fair. He didn’t really give me any advice. I just had to learn as I go, and I feel that is better for me to mature anyway.

[shank94]

Definitely not a Kloppo signing it seems.

https://twitter.com/ManuelVeth/status/1683524348127350784

Seems a media twisted post on the first read. I don't think it's as bad as it sounds unless we have video of this interview. I mean if it's true, his attitude needs work and based on this, either in Leipzig or the next club.

[Fromola]

Seems a media twisted post on the first read. I don't think it's as bad as it sounds unless we have video of this interview. I mean if it's true, his attitude needs work and based on this, either in Leipzig or the next club.

Klopp went out of his way though to praise his attitude at the end of last season though.

He started the first game back at the World Cup and was hauled off at half time - although he scored in the game - and played a sum total of 9 minutes for us after that and into 2023. For whatever reason Klopp wrote him off that night. The next batch of games he played Ox instead (in the absence of Diaz and others) who was clearly finished at that point.

It is really odd because even if he just used him off the bench as a fox in the box he'd have popped up with goals (i.e. Newcastle) the way Minamino used to. Instead he was just completely bombed out and that's what would suggest he's got no future here under Klopp.

I think the issue is we signed two high quality players in Nunez and Carvalho last summer, but neither really fit into Klopp's system and way of playing, although both can still find the net.

[Snusmumriken]

Unused sub during a 5-1 win today, fair to say he is yet to impress in the Leipzig shirt? Didn’t we have a thread for players on loan btw?

[eddiedingle]

Just reading he is not getting many minutes at Leipzig

[Too early for flapjacks?]

Has only started one game so far. I can understand him thinking a loan in the summer was a good move but I'm not sure Leipzig was the right choice. Couldn't really understand their motive considering their model of developing players and selling them on for a profit and there seemingly being no option to buy. Maybe he needs to drop down a level to mid table club at one of the better leagues in Europe to get some meaningful minutes.

[spider-neil]

He should have stayed at Fulham to develop further.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

He should have stayed at Fulham to develop further.

Should have been a no brainer really given that they got promoted. But at the same time, how do you turn down a move to Liverpool and Klopp at his age?

[the_red_pill]

Hopefully, the lad keeps his head down, and try his best to do what is asked of him and more than what is needed. That's all he can do really- in the absence of games to help him develop.

If his loan is not about ability- which he has in abundance, then I think we may be monitoring his attitude or mentality.

[tubby]

What formation do Leipzig play?  He's a 10, he excelled in that position at Fulham, but teams rarely play it these days.

[Fromola]

Should have been a no brainer really given that they got promoted. But at the same time, how do you turn down a move to Liverpool and Klopp at his age?

He got plenty of chances early last season and made a decent impact. Issue was he just wasn't the profile of player we needed, particularly in a struggling side. We needed a Bajcetic (in terms of a young player profile) to alleviate the midfield issues, not a luxury player. He didn't have the skillset to play wide for us and we couldn't carry him in a midfield that had no legs in it.

[Zlen]

He was better off staying here and would fit much better in this version of Liverpool.

[Coolie High]

Should have got a loan to a team in the lower half of the prem.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Should have got a loan to a team in the lower half of the prem.

Yeah, should've gone to Blackburn like Harvey.

[farawayred]

I'm beginning to wonder whether his lack of chances are more down to attitude than skills. Without knowing the lad at all, he seems to find himself in similar situations with different sets of coaches. Youngsters go through that stage when they are successful in the lower-age groups, but not all of them are capable of making the final step. Even Curtis mentioned his related experience in the Toulouse presser. I hope that Carvalho clears his head and focuses on the right things, the guy has skills.

[RyanBabel19]

I'm beginning to wonder whether his lack of chances are more down to attitude than skills. Without knowing the lad at all, he seems to find himself in similar situations with different sets of coaches. Youngsters go through that stage when they are successful in the lower-age groups, but not all of them are capable of making the final step. Even Curtis mentioned his related experience in the Toulouse presser. I hope that Carvalho clears his head and focuses on the right things, the guy has skills.

Wouldn't it have shown itself at Fulham too?

Not saying this next part relating to you or your post but I feel like there's a thing in football that if it isn't working for someone in either multiple clubs or under multipile managers then it must be attitude related, i've lost count of the amount of players who have their attitude questioned but there's rarely ever any actual substance to back it up