Topic: Fabinho

[El Lobo]

Fair fucks to Brazil, they just be some team of they can leave Fabinho out. World champion standard.

[Chakan]

I'm not mad, fuck internationals, wish Bobby and Allison weren't selected.

[TepidT2O]

It’s genuinely odd.


But they only seem interested in him as a right back.

[RedG13]

It’s genuinely odd.


But they only seem interested in him as a right back.

Pretty sure casemiro is the vice captain for Brazil

[BazC]

Pissed about this too. Fucking Brazil International set up is a joke. Fabinho’s world class in his position. All these fuckers will do not picking him is potentially making him wonder if he gets in the national team (important to the players, so should be respected) by doing what he does here.

He should have walked into the team just like his teammates, they’re all head and shoulders above most of the players they can choose from.

I have a lot of respect for Fernandino, he’s genuinely one of the best 6s ever - but he’s not going to be around doing that much longer. Fabinho is going to be better - Brazil should have slotted him straight in quite frankly, he’s operating on a level where few others get to in that position. Dominated that Barca midfield almost single handedly, allowing his teammates to run riot in one of the very biggest games in the season.

[PoetryInMotion]

I’m absolutely gobsmacked that he hasn’t been selected for the Copa. Tite sure does make some bizarre decisions at times.

Like playing Jesus ahead of Bobby. That really screwed their World Cup. And in the previous World Cup, they did not even take Coutinho and Bobby. That was Scolari btw. And then played Luiz & Marcelo in a high line against Germany and got tonked.

They have a horrible management these days.

[dimwit]

It's so wierd, cos he was getting picked early this season when he wasn't starting for LFC I seem to recall?

And now he plays every week, and has been in such great form, he doesn't get picked. Brazil national set up is a bit daft.

I’m absolutely gobsmacked that he hasn’t been selected for the Copa. Tite sure does make some bizarre decisions at times.

There was stuff in the press few years back that the Brasilian NTs sponsorship deal meant that part of the squad was dictated by sponsors.
If they were true, not much Tite could do about that.

Edit:

As Nike was said to have been one of the main culprits in this, googled that current squad to see who plays with which.
Don't know if this means fuck all, but that squad is quite heavy with Nike athletes.

Nike:

Alisson, Ederson, Marquinhos, Alex Sandro, Fagner, Thiago Silva, Dani Alves, Casemiro, Fernandinho, Allan, Lucas Paqueta, Arthur, Neymar, Richarlison, David Neres, Coutinho, Everton

Adidas:

Filipe Luis, Eder Militao, Miranda, Gabriel Jesus, Firmino,

Ho soccer:

Cassio

[sms1986]

I'm not mad, fuck internationals, wish Bobby and Allison weren't selected.

Yeah, I understand Fabinho might want to play for Brazil but this is good for us.

[testies]

I mean I think it's unfair but its not like Casemiro, Fernandinho are shit players. Allan and Arthur are not competing with Fabinho because he's a #5 in Tite's mind

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I mean I think it's unfair but its not like Casemiro, Fernandinho are shit players. Allan and Arthur are not competing with Fabinho because he's a #5 in Tite's mind

Fabinho has had a better year than Casemeiro.

[RedG13]

Fabinho has had a better year than Casemeiro.

Agreed. But pretty sure Casemeiro is Tite VC and he has a lot of tourney experience for them. I dont get Fernandinho over Fabinho. Would think they would want to get some young players who need tourney experience for Brazil at the copa before the next World cup phrase, however that doesnt seem the case at all positions.

[CanuckYNWA]

Agreed. But pretty sure Casemeiro is Tite VC and he has a lot of tourney experience for them. I dont get Fernandinho over Fabinho. Would think they would want to get some young players who need tourney experience for Brazil at the copa before the next World cup phrase, however that doesnt seem the case at all positions.

Brazil has a pretty deep talent pool of all nations bar probably France and Germany but they are HORRIBLY managed. Similar to England there is A LOT of "experience" bias versus picking players on form. While there is merit to certain players being picked because of who they are despite form like a Neymar they definitley pick some odd choices and ends up going wrong.

England is very similar as seen by their selection of Trippier, Dier, Lingard, Delph. None of those players should be in the squad on Form alone but also just the fact they are awful. Wan Bissaka anyone? James Maddison??

A lot of National team managers are guilty of picking players they know even if they are shit and younger better players have emerged.

[jepovic]

Like playing Jesus ahead of Bobby. That really screwed their World Cup. And in the previous World Cup, they did not even take Coutinho and Bobby. That was Scolari btw. And then played Luiz & Marcelo in a high line against Germany and got tonked.

They have a horrible management these days.

Jesus ahead of Bobby is much worse IMO. At least Casemiro and Fernandinho are world class players. Jesus is really average.
Not picking Lucas Moura is pretty insane as well btw.

[Chris~]

Brazil has a pretty deep talent pool of all nations bar probably France and Germany but they are HORRIBLY managed. Similar to England there is A LOT of "experience" bias versus picking players on form. While there is merit to certain players being picked because of who they are despite form like a Neymar they definitley pick some odd choices and ends up going wrong.

England is very similar as seen by their selection of Trippier, Dier, Lingard, Delph. None of those players should be in the squad on Form alone but also just the fact they are awful. Wan Bissaka anyone? James Maddison??

A lot of National team managers are guilty of picking players they know even if they are shit and younger better players have emerged.

Wan bissaka and maddison will be going to the u21 euros which is fair enough over being in the bench for possibly one important game.

[PoetryInMotion]

Jesus ahead of Bobby is much worse IMO. At least Casemiro and Fernandinho are world class players. Jesus is really average.
Not picking Lucas Moura is pretty insane as well btw.

Neither of them had a World Class season. Fernandinho was injured for quite a while and when he played, he wasn't as good as in previous seasons. And Casemiro really struggled this season. Struggled badly.

[jepovic]

Neither of them had a World Class season. Fernandinho was injured for quite a while and when he played, he wasn't as good as in previous seasons. And Casemiro really struggled this season. Struggled badly.

I agree that it's weird. But they're top players, and Fabinho has only been really good for six months or so.

But picking Jesus ahead of an in-form Firmino, game after game, was just criminal. That's more like picking Fred ahead of Fabinho, if you know what I mean.

[Peabee]

Brazil has a pretty deep talent pool of all nations bar probably France and Germany but they are HORRIBLY managed. Similar to England there is A LOT of "experience" bias versus picking players on form. While there is merit to certain players being picked because of who they are despite form like a Neymar they definitley pick some odd choices and ends up going wrong.

England is very similar as seen by their selection of Trippier, Dier, Lingard, Delph. None of those players should be in the squad on Form alone but also just the fact they are awful. Wan Bissaka anyone? James Maddison??

A lot of National team managers are guilty of picking players they know even if they are shit and younger better players have emerged.

I know, but to be fair to Southgate, he's trying to be a bit more consistent and building a team that can play together and are used to playing together rather than picking in-form players and chopping/changing every match.

[hesbighesred]

Pissed about this too. Fucking Brazil International set up is a joke. Fabinho’s world class in his position. All these fuckers will do not picking him is potentially making him wonder if he gets in the national team (important to the players, so should be respected) by doing what he does here.

I remember hearing some rumour about Nike being heavily involved in the selection process. Whatever the truth of that rumour, it's long felt to me like there is something like that going on - like the team selection seems much more about getting in star quality than it does about really creating a best 11 to give themselves the best chance of trophies. The selection of Jesus over Bobby in the last world cup, for example, was fucking ludicrous, even more so because Neymar plays so much better with a hard-worker next to him.

[hesbighesred]

Brazil has a pretty deep talent pool of all nations bar probably France and Germany but they are HORRIBLY managed.

They also suffer from the problem that anything bar a tournament win is basically a sacking offence. Like Dunga, last time he was in, put together a very serious, nasty team to play against - solid, brutal on the break, really physical. They lost a really tight semi and he was sacked.

Can't build a team if no-one ever gets a chance to oversee longer-term develpment, and how big a pool of managerial talent do you need if you keep dipping into it every couple of seasons? There's only so many to coaches even a country like Brasil can produce.

[Jookie]

Neither of them had a World Class season. Fernandinho was injured for quite a while and when he played, he wasn't as good as in previous seasons. And Casemiro really struggled this season. Struggled badly.

I'm amazed that Fabinho isn't in the Brazil Copa America squad.

However, national managers don't always pick players on their current club form. Casemiro and Fernandinho may be Tite's trusted men during his tenure at manager. They may have performed admirably for Brazil despite having poorer club form or being injured more recently.

If they performed well for Brazil over the last 6-12 months, it's a big risk for Tite to bomb one of them out for Fabinho. He's got to take into context what those players have done for him not their club sides.

Be interesting to hear what the Brazilian press and public's thoughts on Fabinho's omission was. Given he's never played in a league game in Brazil and until this season wasn't playing for a high profile European club, I expect the clamour for him to be included by domestic fans and press wasn't that high. I think Firmino struggled with earlier in his career. Limited profile in Brazil, until recently, compared with Gabriel Jesus, for example, who played 2 season at one of the biggest clubs in Brazil winning both the Brazilian cup and league championships.

That pressure from local press and fans always interest me in South American squad selections. On occasions there seems to be odd domestic based player selected ahead of a more established European star within South American national squads. This may be completely justifiable on many occasions but I do wonder if a more visible upturn in performances in the domestic league, and the coverage that gets from the domestic press, influences national managers selections. Particularly if the European player has left Brazil early in their career

[Bobinhood]

Well Tite may be affected in his choices by the Brazilian public and the world famous Brazilian football politics but hes taking a big chance pissing off Becky. Danger road, man. Crazytown. Stands a strong chance of a gif right upside the head, possible even a meme to the nuts. Only the possibility of injury call up saving him right now imo.

[afc tukrish]

Well Tite may be affected in his choices by the Brazilian public and the world famous Brazilian football politics but hes taking a big chance pissing off Becky. Danger road, man. Crazytown. Stands a strong chance of a gif right upside the head, possible even a meme to the nuts. Only the possibility of injury call up saving him right now imo.

Don't fuck with Becky...

[Red Beret]

Pissed about this too. Fucking Brazil International set up is a joke. Fabinho’s world class in his position. All these fuckers will do not picking him is potentially making him wonder if he gets in the national team (important to the players, so should be respected) by doing what he does here.

He should have walked into the team just like his teammates, they’re all head and shoulders above most of the players they can choose from.

I have a lot of respect for Fernandino, he’s genuinely one of the best 6s ever - but he’s not going to be around doing that much longer. Fabinho is going to be better - Brazil should have slotted him straight in quite frankly, he’s operating on a level where few others get to in that position. Dominated that Barca midfield almost single handedly, allowing his teammates to run riot in one of the very biggest games in the season.

As long as they don't tell him he needs to be playing for Barca or Real Madrid to get selected... 

[LFCobsessive]

Fabinho has become a monster and it was so satisfying seeing his transition into the team and now he's a beast, his legs will find the ball- so feel the fear opponents. Plus he can fill in, in defence, top player.
Fab, Gini and Mane, my fave three players of the season.

[Red-Dread]

Gutted for him but at the same time happy that he'll be refreshed and have a full pre-season.

We have enough players who will be running late fitness-wise at the start of the season as it is with the summer tournaments in SA and in Africa.

Need to hit the ground running if we have title aspirations again

[L8Craig]

Gutted for him but at the same time happy that he'll be refreshed and have a full pre-season.

We have enough players who will be running late fitness-wise at the start of the season as it is with the summer tournaments in SA and in Africa.

Need to hit the ground running if we have title aspirations again

You on about Keita?

[farawayred]

Have I missed something big?

[Caligula?]

Have I missed something big?

He's not been included in the Brazil squad for the Copa America. Which is good for us.

[testies]

thanks for a great season

[newterp]

So great to have that steel in the middle of the pitch.

[Butter Keks]

Battled for everything. Players get past him at times but I like how it's shrugged off and on to the next challenge. Just goes round and competes for fucking everything, boss in the air as well.

[Chakan]

Immense.

[rebel23]

I thought as a DM he had a great game.

[El choquero]

I think his interception and run which drew the foul against  Barca in injury time was probably my favourite moment of the season. Cant wait to see him at an even higher level next season

[RainbowFlick]

Has had his teeth fixed 

[Giono]

Well, we won't be starting with Gini as the 6 this season.


Brazil's loss is our gain. Looking forward to see how we do with him up and running from day 1.

[Shaved Crossbar]

I’ve read on here that he struggled with the lactate / long distance running test last year, the one that Milner came first in.

If so then having a full preseason should give him an athletic boost and increased fitness / sharpness in the second half. Last year’s Fabinho but even more athletic... could be looking at the best DM in the world

[harleydanger]

Has had his teeth fixed 

The best signing we ever made was our dentist.

[Bergersrightwingviews]

Excited to see him get even better this season. Such a wonderful player.

[TepidT2O]

I’ve read on here that he struggled with the lactate / long distance running test last year, the one that Milner came first in.

If so then having a full preseason should give him an athletic boost and increased fitness / sharpness in the second half. Last year’s Fabinho but even more athletic... could be looking at the best DM in the world

Christ.

Had to re read that.

I read it as “he struggled to lactate” firs time round.