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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104160 on: December 22, 2021, 10:17:06 pm »
Any news on Balagizi's latest injury? He doesn't seem to have featured much this year which is a bit disappointing as I know there were fairly high hopes for him. Still plenty young enough of course.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104161 on: December 22, 2021, 10:17:07 pm »
Koumetio has a lot of potential but at this moment I would say he isn’t too 2 cbs for us even at youth level, can see him developing into a good player when all said and done but he hasn’t really stood out either at u23 or first team.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104162 on: December 22, 2021, 10:18:28 pm »
Sure, but I was talking about how casual he is in his play.
Yea he young. He going to get better. He super talented. Good experience for him in the first half

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104163 on: December 22, 2021, 10:18:35 pm »
Koumetio has a lot of potential but at this moment I would say he isn’t too 2 cbs for us even at youth level, can see him developing into a good player when all said and done but he hasn’t really stood out either at u23 or first team.

Shocked he started to be fair. Better CB’s than him currently.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104164 on: December 22, 2021, 10:22:07 pm »
Koumetio has a lot of potential but at this moment I would say he isn’t too 2 cbs for us even at youth level, can see him developing into a good player when all said and done but he hasn’t really stood out either at u23 or first team.

I think from the little i've seen of him his lack of pace will hold him back at the club. You need amazing positioning and reading of the game or to play in a low block side to make up for a lack of pace and he has neither. Very few young CBs develop the former at a young age and we dont play the latter

Love his confidence on the ball but defensively (as expected at his age) there's a lot of improvement needed

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104165 on: December 22, 2021, 10:28:55 pm »
Need to do a Sepp and get him playing men regularly

Sepp has obviously switched positions but was fairly well versed in the tactical side of the game for a young defender when he arrived; he was visibly frustrated with Koumetio making the wrong read on more than one occasion when they were partnered at CB. Lower league managers won't be keen to play an error prone defender lacking in defensive acumen regardless of how naturally talented he is; therein lies the dilemma.

Half a season in the conference might do Billy the world of good, then hopefully some cup appearances next season before a League One loan in February 2023.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104166 on: December 23, 2021, 07:57:57 am »
Owen Beck got some nice post match comments from the gaffer eh?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104167 on: December 23, 2021, 08:58:26 am »
Koumetio has a lot of potential but at this moment I would say he isn’t too 2 cbs for us even at youth level, can see him developing into a good player when all said and done but he hasn’t really stood out either at u23 or first team.

I don't see him as a big prospect anyway but Klopp is great at improving players, particularly in that position. Look how much Phillips and Rhys Williams came on last season and they were playing in lower divisions the previous season (Williams even semi pro). Sepp improved as well over the season he was here.



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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104168 on: December 23, 2021, 09:24:55 am »
Sure, but I was talking about how casual he is in his play.
Not sure its casual. Its just not anticipating whats happening around you, quickly enough

Casual, for me, would imply that there is a lack of care or attention. But I'm sure he was really focused on trying to make a great impression last night. But it just seems like he can sometimes take a little too long to make a decision. But time is on his side.


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104169 on: December 23, 2021, 09:27:47 am »
who's the other CB other than Billy that is highly rated that is currently here now? Seems like he is the one getting the push to the first team squad though.

VDB and williams are both out on loan. which would mean more game time, experience and progression. Not so much for williams but it is a learning curve.


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104170 on: December 23, 2021, 09:29:07 am »
who's the other CB other than Billy that is highly rated that is currently here now? Seems like he is the one getting the push to the first team squad though.

VDB and williams are both out on loan. which would mean more game time, experience and progression. Not so much for williams but it is a learning curve.


Quansah is good. Bacjetic is incredible but they look like they are trying to use him in CDM

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104171 on: December 23, 2021, 10:13:14 am »
who's the other CB other than Billy that is highly rated that is currently here now? Seems like he is the one getting the push to the first team squad though.

VDB and williams are both out on loan. which would mean more game time, experience and progression. Not so much for williams but it is a learning curve.
Based on performances for the acadmey Quanash has been better over the last 18 months. He's not physically ready to play centre back against premier League teams yet I don't think though.


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104172 on: December 23, 2021, 10:17:17 am »
Would echo a few of the posts in here; Koumetio looks like he lacks half a yard of pace (which I'm not sure you can ever 'fix') and also some positional awareness (which can be coached).

He's only young and I'm sure he'll improve but I'm not convinced he's quick enough to play in our high line.


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104173 on: December 23, 2021, 10:53:46 am »
Would echo a few of the posts in here; Koumetio looks like he lacks half a yard of pace (which I'm not sure you can ever 'fix')

You can improve the general running speed with specialized training, but it is much more difficult to improve the take-off speed.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104174 on: December 23, 2021, 11:41:53 am »
Quansah is good. Bacjetic is incredible but they look like they are trying to use him in CDM

It could be the case that they’re helping him develop his ball playing skills in CDM before moving him back. It’s the sort of thing Ajax have done for years to help their kids become more well rounded
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104175 on: December 23, 2021, 01:50:09 pm »
Would echo a few of the posts in here; Koumetio looks like he lacks half a yard of pace (which I'm not sure you can ever 'fix') and also some positional awareness (which can be coached).

He's only young and I'm sure he'll improve but I'm not convinced he's quick enough to play in our high line.

He'll probably play against Shrewsbury and do alright. Was never going to be an easy night when you have to worry about Vardy et al, could have been a disaster if he'd played the whole 90.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104176 on: December 23, 2021, 02:12:16 pm »
think maybe we were playing a bit too open as well. a proper DM/well functioning midfield would have made his job a bit easier i guess. Daka and Vardy are experienced and crafty duo to deal with.

basically his inexperience and being too casual were his downfall. think this wasn't his first appearance for the seniors and he does look a bit overrawed.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104177 on: December 23, 2021, 04:40:59 pm »
I think the team that started vs Leicester was not “ideal” in helping the youngsters - Koumetio, Bradley and Morton to give a good account of themselves. Absence of Virgil, Fabinho, Origi and Thiago forced us to “preserved” players like Konate, Milner, Jota and even Tsimikas (who could have played 90 but with Robbo suspension, we have to use Beck)

Not helped by the fact that Gomez and Bobby (and Keita) are just back from significant injuries and Hendo being ill only recently
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104178 on: December 23, 2021, 05:32:54 pm »
Would echo a few of the posts in here; Koumetio looks like he lacks half a yard of pace (which I'm not sure you can ever 'fix') and also some positional awareness (which can be coached).

He's only young and I'm sure he'll improve but I'm not convinced he's quick enough to play in our high line.

Positional awareness and improved anticipation will help with any lack of pace that he has. 

I thought he played a few really good passes but he definitely was not ready for the increased speed of the game.  He definitely has some potential but only time will tell if he'll make the grade here.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104179 on: January 2, 2022, 11:35:31 pm »
Leighton Clarkson back with us, loan cut short. Handy to have about for this month in particular. Expect him involved against Shrewsbury and potentially the fourth round, draw dependant.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104180 on: January 2, 2022, 11:36:53 pm »
Leighton Clarkson back with us, loan cut short. Handy to have about for this month in particular. Expect him involved against Shrewsbury and potentially the fourth round, draw dependant.

Read that Klopp was not happy with 2 or 3 lads who were not getting game time at all on loan so we may see a couple more back.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104181 on: January 3, 2022, 11:29:47 am »
Leighton Clarkson back with us, loan cut short. Handy to have about for this month in particular. Expect him involved against Shrewsbury and potentially the fourth round, draw dependant.

That's not a bad shout, very possible he features in that now and hopefully the fourth round too if we get another kind draw. Would expect Morton to come back in too alongside him. Even if he plays the likes of Bradley and Koumetio who struggled against Leicester we should have too much for them given the drop in opposition quality.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104182 on: January 3, 2022, 11:17:44 pm »
How are own youngsters doing at this point of the season in youth teams?. Which players might come through in different positions with potential to at least make first team squad bench warmer or more in the future?. Has the polish winger progressed?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104183 on: January 8, 2022, 11:33:57 am »
How are own youngsters doing at this point of the season in youth teams?. Which players might come through in different positions with potential to at least make first team squad bench warmer or more in the future?. Has the polish winger progressed?

Always difficult to say, the one who looks destined for our first team would be Kaide Gordon for me. Musialowski is still interesting but his season so far hasn't been that good, still very raw for me. I have high hopes for Balagizi but he's been injured a lot this season. Morton has impressed for the first team, Bradley and Beck also to a somewhat lesser extent. Bajcetic looks really good to me. Other that that Oakley Cannonier has been scoring for fun for the U18's, but still early to tell.

Hopefully we'll see some of these players tomorrow vs. Shrewsbury.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104184 on: January 8, 2022, 11:41:06 am »
Read that Klopp was not happy with 2 or 3 lads who were not getting game time at all on loan so we may see a couple more back.

is there a latest list of our loaned out players and number of appearance and goals, assists stats?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104185 on: January 8, 2022, 02:05:47 pm »
Nice to see Paul Glatzel back from injury  :thumbup

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104186 on: January 8, 2022, 02:22:24 pm »
Read that Klopp was not happy with 2 or 3 lads who were not getting game time at all on loan so we may see a couple more back.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104187 on: January 8, 2022, 09:13:31 pm »
Other that that Oakley Cannonier has been scoring for fun for the U18's, but still early to tell.

To be fair he already has an assist in the Champions League
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104188 on: January 9, 2022, 03:19:19 pm »
How soon before Layton Stewart returns from his injury, has anyone heard?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104189 on: January 9, 2022, 03:32:23 pm »
How soon before Layton Stewart returns from his injury, has anyone heard?

On the December Academy show he was saying end Jan.  But whether than means training with the group or playing I don’t know.  Given time out I doubt he’ll play for a few weeks

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104190 on: January 9, 2022, 03:33:49 pm »
On the December Academy show he was saying end Jan.  But whether than means training with the group or playing I don’t know.  Given time out I doubt he’ll play for a few weeks

Thanks. Such a shame, he picked up that injury when he did. It feel as though he's been out for ages.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104191 on: January 9, 2022, 04:19:01 pm »
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104192 on: January 9, 2022, 05:06:16 pm »
Great goal from Gordon today, pretty sure Klopp has overseen 3 or 4 of our youngest ever scorers now, be hard to beat Woodburn though as he was about 17 years and 2 months.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104193 on: January 9, 2022, 08:29:15 pm »
Thought Dixon-Bonner really grew into the game, to the point that we actually looked worse for him coming off. Doubt there’s a career here for him, but there’s one at a decent enough level.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104194 on: January 9, 2022, 08:37:34 pm »
Thought Dixon-Bonner really grew into the game, to the point that we actually looked worse for him coming off. Doubt there’s a career here for him, but there’s one at a decent enough level.
I mean, why would you say this now? I'll never understand this weird mentality
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104195 on: January 9, 2022, 08:41:23 pm »
Say what? That the lad played well and we looked worse when more experienced players replaced him?

Not all of the lads are going to make it at the very top, let alone a lad who’s turned twenty-one. Unless he’s a late bloomer. There’s a player in there, no doubt, but for the very top, who knows?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104196 on: January 9, 2022, 08:55:37 pm »
Say what? That the lad played well and we looked worse when more experienced players replaced him?

Not all of the lads are going to make it at the very top, let alone a lad who’s turned twenty-one. Unless he’s a late bloomer. There’s a player in there, no doubt, but for the very top, who knows?
Well exactly? Who knows? He's at the very start of his career and who knows what will happen? Why write him off and say you "doubt there'll be a career here for him", at this early stage? What does it achieve?

This is the best time I can remember for youth players at LFC. There's a chance that more are going to make it through to first team standard than ever before because of the way they are selected, trained and developed, using the same tactical and strategic templates and trained at the same location as the first team.

Why not assume they'll all become boss superstars for us until/unless we know different? It costs nothing to be hopeful and positive
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104197 on: January 9, 2022, 11:50:22 pm »
Because they probably won’t, people are more realistic now, you obviously weren’t here when this thread started and the expectations there were on those on the first page to become ‘boss superstars’ as you put it.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104198 on: January 10, 2022, 12:27:07 am »
Because they probably won’t, people are more realistic now, you obviously weren’t here when this thread started and the expectations there were on those on the first page to become ‘boss superstars’ as you put it.
It's not about what you expect, it's about being positive about our youth players as they live the dream. What the hell use is 'realism' in this? Where does it get us? By us I mean fans and supporters.

If we can't be hopeful and full of joy and dreams for our young players at a time when they have barely even begun their adult careers, then when can we? There'll be plenty of buckets of cold realism that they, and we, will have to face later down the line,

But I see I'm alone in this. The FM-isation of football support is nearly complete and everyone now thinks they're scouts and managers giving their 'expert opinion' that a player whose career has barely started won't make it. Pretty dismal state of affairts, really.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #104199 on: January 10, 2022, 12:46:30 am »
There's nothing wrong with the lad offering his opinion that a 21 year old youth player may not make it here. We are the best club in the world and the bar is crazy high. I hope the lad makes it here, I hope they all do but give him a break.

We have had a hundred young lads given a go in the first team and impressed but not gone on to forge strong careers here or elsewhere. Fingers crossed we have a few to break the mould.

Here are a few comments just from page one which I'm sure were nice to read at the time and full of hope, didn't make them right

Nemeth -Rather play Nemeth than Kuyt at the moment. If he keeps on scoring like he is for the reserves he will be in the 1st team squad for some games for sure.

Anderson - I expect this lad to be in the 1st squad next season. We could of done with him this season when JP was injured.

Gutrie - I would hopefully add Gutrie to this for next season as he adds something different.
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