Topic: The Anfield Wrap

[Jookie]

Speaking on behalf of the virgins, thought it was a bit thin-skinned myself. But I did appreciate the second pink that wasn't just noise.

I moaned about the post City semi-final Pink on here. For half the pod I thought it was mainly background noise and the slurring of someone who was drunk. That's why I provided feedback (looking back too harshly in some respects).

I'm not bothered about what John said at the start of the FA Cup final Pink. In fact I chuckled at it. TAW have obviously taken feedback on board given the way they've done the Pink since. Equally John has the right to respond. He did that on Saturday. Some will see it as a bit prickly. Others won't. I doubt anyone is unsubscribing on the back of it.

[Barefoot Doctor]

John's little 'ha-ha's' when he's had a few and on cloud nine after a win are great.

[Thiago12291]

Does saying the audio on today's review was absolutely appalling make me a rawk virgin?

[FlashGordon]

It was all tongue in cheek - like you say we listened to the feedback and we did two to cater for both. I wouldn't take anything from the pink too seriously!

How people can get upset over it is baffling.

[Kenny's Jacket]

How people can get upset over it is baffling.

you could say the same about Gibbo. 

[Alisson Wonderland]

Only just listened to this weeks Three Strikes show but the talk about Jake Daniels and gay footballers was really interesting.  Top work

[royhendo]

Only just listened to this weeks Three Strikes show but the talk about Jake Daniels and gay footballers was really interesting.  Top work

Damian Kavanagh was superb on the Man City weirdness too. I dip in and out, mostly because we're pinching pennies a little these days, but he's a great contributor. Massive Dan Morgan fan too.

[royhendo]

Does saying the audio on today's review was absolutely appalling make me a rawk virgin?

Haha

[Fitzy.]

you could say the same about Gibbo. 

The thing is, this thread is a pretty good way of speaking directly to the people who run TAW; it often praises the content but also offers criticism and will occasionally step over the line in a personal way. While that is broadly useful, there's also the reality that there exists a 675 page critique on a very popular Liverpool forum that is making fairly granular criticisms of a small set of people's place of work. This is obviously going to be taken personally on some level. Feedback in work is often par for the course but to have it dumped on the internet in a manner that is occasionally overdone may well illicit a spikey or pointed response...especially if the target of the criticism doesn't overly agree or appreciate the tone of the feedback.

In short, folk on RAWK have less skin in the game so there isn't an equivalency if and when folk on TAW snap back a bit. It means a great deal more to them to get these things right than it does to the casual poster on RAWK being a bit moody.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

I can see both sides of this, but it's a bit more nuanced.

The thread has helped the Wrap promote and grow their business, it then also acted as a place to provide feedback, which based on replies from the Wrap lads that post here has been largely welcomed. But if feedback given in good faith isn't being seen to be taken seriously then I can see why some paying customers may have an issue with that.

On the other hand, I'd hate for my work to be open to ongoing scrutiny - it's certainly not for me because I'd ignore the 95% of good feedback and obsess over the 5% not so good. That said, when the whole model is about producing output for people to buy, comments, feedback and opinion come with the territory. I'm sure the Wrap would prefer feedback to silent cancellations. Like any business, honest feedback is vital to its ongoing success.

[royhendo]

If RAWK as a site couldn't take a slagging, it would never have gotten past its first year. We do people's heads in on here.

[Zlen]

I've quit TAW for few years now, mostly as I didn't have as much time and have spent my available time listening to music and audiobooks instead. But recently I bought some credits in their app to catch up on the end of the season shows and I have to say the app is miles away from what it was initially after launch when I last used it. Great work, I assume it took a lot of effort. Used to prefer using the Apple Podcast app, but now I think I prefer the TAW app for their shows - it works really well. Well done on sticking with it and making it as good.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

I've quit TAW for few years now, mostly as I didn't have as much time and have spent my available time listening to music and audiobooks instead. But recently I bought some credits in their app to catch up on the end of the season shows and I have to say the app is miles away from what it was initially after launch when I last used it. Great work, I assume it took a lot of effort. Used to prefer using the Apple Podcast app, but now I think I prefer the TAW app for their shows - it works really well. Well done on sticking with it and making it as good.

The benefits of this thread!
I'm an ex subscriber, due to time and also only a fairly narrow range of content really appealing to me. I didn't realise there was a pay as you go option.

I wrote a while back that quality wise the Wrap is head and shoulders above anything else I've listened to. Some others have not gone beyond 10 mins before I switched off. I want to support in some way, but couldn't justify a sub for perhaps 1 or 2 shows a week. This offers a good half way house.

[Kenny's Jacket]

The thing is, this thread is a pretty good way of speaking directly to the people who run TAW; it often praises the content but also offers criticism and will occasionally step over the line in a personal way. While that is broadly useful, there's also the reality that there exists a 675 page critique on a very popular Liverpool forum that is making fairly granular criticisms of a small set of people's place of work. This is obviously going to be taken personally on some level. Feedback in work is often par for the course but to have it dumped on the internet in a manner that is occasionally overdone may well illicit a spikey or pointed response...especially if the target of the criticism doesn't overly agree or appreciate the tone of the feedback.

In short, folk on RAWK have less skin in the game so there isn't an equivalency if and when folk on TAW snap back a bit. It means a great deal more to them to get these things right than it does to the casual poster on RAWK being a bit moody.

that works both ways too.

If you run a business, then some customers will be unhappy, its natural. Generally criticism is tandem with a compliment.

To have a go at those customers when they are paying to listen to you, will annoy people. The onus on having thick skin is not on the paying listener

[Fitzy.]

that works both ways too.

If you run a business, then some customers will be unhappy, its natural. Generally criticism is tandem with a compliment.

To have a go at those customers when they are paying to listen to you, will annoy people. The onus on having thick skin is not on the paying listener

But those being criticised don't have the same licence to offer equivalent barbs back. Some criticism is heavy and overdone. A pretty mild dig at RAWK is arguably not as heavy as what is written in here by some.

[Kenny's Jacket]

But those being criticised don't have the same licence to offer equivalent barbs back. Some criticism is heavy and overdone. A pretty mild dig at RAWK is arguably not as heavy as what is written in here by some.

clearly they do have the same licence, They can reply on RAWK if theyre that arsed, and sometimes they have done  or they can criticise listeners on the podcast
Important to remember that these guys make a living from assessing performance, they do so as paying supporters.  The same as subscribers assessing them

The in-stadium Pinks at Old Trafford and Villareal worked well, but when John gets too pissed, they dont. 

[Fitzy.]

clearly they do have the same licence, They can reply on RAWK if theyre that arsed, and sometimes they have done  or they can criticise listeners on the podcast
Important to remember that these guys make a living from assessing performance, they do so as paying supporters.  The same as subscribers assessing them

The in-stadium Pinks at Old Trafford and Villareal worked well, but when John gets too pissed, they dont. 

My point wasn’t that they can’t reply to the criticism, my point is that they’re unable to meet the occasional harshness with their own equivalent riposte.

[Kenny's Jacket]

My point wasn’t that they can’t reply to the criticism, my point is that they’re unable to meet the occasional harshness with their own equivalent riposte.

Mate, a Riposte is literally a reply to criticism

[Fitzy.]

Mate, a Riposte is literally a reply to criticism

I know. But that wasn’t my point.

[Kenny's Jacket]

I know. But that wasn’t my point.

my point is that they’re unable to meet the occasional harshness with their own equivalent riposte.

[Jookie]

If RAWK as a site couldn't take a slagging, it would never have gotten past its first year. We do people's heads in on here.

Definitely this.

And it's not just oppositions fans or opposition fan forums.

It's part of our own fanbase as times since RAWK isn't necessarily that reflective of the match going Liverpool support that some other forums were/are.

[Morgana]

I've quit TAW for few years now, mostly as I didn't have as much time and have spent my available time listening to music and audiobooks instead. But recently I bought some credits in their app to catch up on the end of the season shows and I have to say the app is miles away from what it was initially after launch when I last used it. Great work, I assume it took a lot of effort. Used to prefer using the Apple Podcast app, but now I think I prefer the TAW app for their shows - it works really well. Well done on sticking with it and making it as good.

Definitely. I took a break for a couple years and came back this year too. Really impressed with how the app works on my android phone. Sound quality is top notch, and I really enjoy new content like the Bacon Butty and On the Whistle. Gareth Roberts still my favourite character on there, and Lizzy Doyle. Top lass.

[Fitzy.]

I know.

[Zlen]

The benefits of this thread!
I'm an ex subscriber, due to time and also only a fairly narrow range of content really appealing to me. I didn't realise there was a pay as you go option.

I wrote a while back that quality wise the Wrap is head and shoulders above anything else I've listened to. Some others have not gone beyond 10 mins before I switched off. I want to support in some way, but couldn't justify a sub for perhaps 1 or 2 shows a week. This offers a good half way house.

Oh yes, it's a great and nicely priced way to get plenty of content, what you want and when you want it. Will definitely do it again once proper 'Gutter Season' starts.

[OkieRedman]

Anyone else having an issue with the app saying you do not have a subscription even though you do?

[DangerScouse]

clearly they do have the same licence, They can reply on RAWK if theyre that arsed, and sometimes they have done  or they can criticise listeners on the podcast
Important to remember that these guys make a living from assessing performance, they do so as paying supporters.  The same as subscribers assessing them

The in-stadium Pinks at Old Trafford and Villareal worked well, but when John gets too pissed, they dont. 

Fucking hell. you definitely strike me as someone who has never been to a game. Drink away John, drink away.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Fucking hell. you definitely strike me as someone who has never been to a game. Drink away John, drink away.

 
Do I ?  Ive been to pretty much every home league game for the past 4 years. plus some cup games plus some aways.
Sorry to disappoint you.

[DangerScouse]

Do I ?  Ive been to pretty much every home league game for the past 4 years. plus some cup games plus some aways.
Sorry to disappoint you.

I hope you are nowhere near me on Sunday!

[Kenny's Jacket]

I hope you are nowhere near me on Sunday!

Sound. Not sure why youre being a prick, but ok   

[DangerScouse]

Sound. Not sure why youre being a prick, but ok   

Might want to take some of your own advice before criticising someone for enjoying the match and having a few drinks with their mates along the way.

[Thiago12291]

People don't begrudge anyone getting hammered and enjoying the game. But they are working are they not? The people scheduled to appear on a pink after the game are working. I don't think people who are paying to listen to what they have to say after the game, are expecting much by being able to understand a word they are saying.

[DangerScouse]

Fucking hell. This thread is becoming a parody.

[Thiago12291]

Fucking hell. This thread is becoming a parody.

How so?

[OkieRedman]

How so?

There is a collection of posters on this forum that have a weird thing with criticism of virtually any kind. It is best to just ignore them.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Might want to take some of your own advice before criticising someone for enjoying the match and having a few drinks with their mates along the way.

Thats not what Ive done though. Dont worry I know you wont be near me on Sunday, all the people who sit around me are sound.

[royhendo]

Alright folks - if you’ve got a burning desire for an Anchorman-style throwdown over whether The Pink should or should not be well oiled or whether Gibbo should have a dig at this thread, then I could start a new thread for you, or you could take it to DM.

Saying that, could you maybe relax a wee bit? 12 years ago there was no platform for the fans’ voice that carried much weight; now if there’s a talking point the go to vox pops are people like Gibbo. I was driving home on Tuesday after the game and 5 Live were discussing the situation with Harriet Prior. That’s down to this lot and the others like them… but this lot are the gold standard.

And being pissed isn’t always a bad thing in broadcasting. The Pink after the 5-0 away to Spurs in 2014 is my favourite TAW podcast so far, other than maybe the Barca Pink and the Everton Origi and Curtis Jones ones. All featured people who were pissed, and Michael Fassbender.

[cheesyleps]

When I drove a taxi for a living, I had a regular customer who was lovely. She booked me twice a week for her run to the hairdressers on a Wednesday and to the shops on a Thursday. For two and a half years, I did all the customer service stuff: carrying her shopping from the door to the car, and from the car to her kitchen, helping her in and out of the cab, knocking a bit off the fare etc. I was the best taxi driver in the world according to her.

One day I was 10 minutes late as I got stuck at some roadworks. She absolutely went for me, calling me everything under the sun, saying she would put bad reviews online and tell all her mates not to use me...

The nature of the customer service game is that people can be massively unforgiving bellends. TAW has been superbly high quality stuff for years now. Anyone still whining about one iffy post-match show really needs to have a look in the mirror.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Theres a lot of people really missing the point, anyway.

Three Strikes was brilliant.  Does anyone know if theres any more Midnight Rambler. I really enjoy Neil and Rory chewing the fat

[redgriffin73]

One just dropped for me about half an hour ago.

[Kenny's Jacket]

One just dropped for me about half an hour ago.

Yes me too now. just done a refresh. Thanks