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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #440 on: October 27, 2012, 08:59:11 pm »
And I'd rather Stephen Gerrard than the same Javier Mascherano, its about opinions.

Is that because Gerrard is fucking brilliant or because he was born in Liverpool...


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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #441 on: October 27, 2012, 08:59:31 pm »
Pepsi Max, Thai Chilli Crisps & this gaff, its just what Saturday nights are made for. Least i'm catching up on some new music, which is good.

Mind tomorrow night will be a different story, early start, upper Bullens, 3 points, back on it, n all that comes with it.

Care to share which new music your listening to ? Living over here in the states , I miss a lot of the newer British stuff .
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #442 on: October 27, 2012, 09:07:02 pm »
And I'd rather Stephen Gerrard than the same Javier Mascherano, its about opinions. I've seen the lad probably mor than most and had conversations about him with some fairly senior people at the club, who think his attitude is brilliant and will take him places. He knows where the goal is, no doubt, I don't know if he'll make it, but I do believe that he is still at a development stage and its too early to tell.

There are a few exceptional players, especially centre forwards, where you know at such an early stage (and I know we have been priveleged to have a couple of them) about whether or not they'll make it, its all down to development, your aptitude, ability and how you take on board your experiences.

Eighteen months or so down the line we'll see where we are with Morgan, what I do know if anybody sitting in this gaff things they are in the position to make definitive statements, well they are kidding themselves.

I think Wisdom's career progression shows that young players go through peaks and troughs, a couple of years ago he was nailed onto make it and then a year later he was being written off. Morgan for me is a player who doesn't have the advantage of outstanding physical attributes but that doesn't mean he cannot make up for that with nous. As you say it is way too early to even think of trying to make a judgement on Morgan he might not be the finished article but as you say he knows where the goal is.
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #443 on: October 27, 2012, 09:14:00 pm »
I think Wisdom's career progression shows that young players go through peaks and troughs, a couple of years ago he was nailed onto make it and then a year later he was being written off. Morgan for me is a player who doesn't have the advantage of outstanding physical attributes but that doesn't mean he cannot make up for that with nous. As you say it is way too early to even think of trying to make a judgement on Morgan he might not be the finished article but as you say he knows where the goal is.

Who wrote Wisdom off mate?

The club has always rated him.

It was always a matter of time for him.

Morgan is a goalscorer but it was never a cert he would make it though I think he will. Would loan him out though.

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #444 on: October 27, 2012, 09:16:55 pm »
Care to share which new music your listening to ? Living over here in the states , I miss a lot of the newer British stuff .

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #445 on: October 27, 2012, 09:29:18 pm »
Is that because Gerrard is fucking brilliant or because he was born in Liverpool...

Probably a bit of both, first saw Gerrard in Kirkby and believe him to be one of the greatest players ever and I think that his background is definitely part of that. The point is that it does not have to be one or the other, you don't discard someone because they are local, if anything that should enhance what they have to offer the club. That said, we shouldn't discrard somebody because they are not local. Its about getting the mix right, but having players with their roots within the club should certainly be seen as a positive not a negative.
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #446 on: October 27, 2012, 09:29:41 pm »
Who wrote Wisdom off mate?

The club has always rated him.

It was always a matter of time for him.

Not just the club, but any fans who had watched him for any amount of time saw clearly he was on course to eventually break through.

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #447 on: October 27, 2012, 09:49:33 pm »


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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #448 on: October 27, 2012, 09:55:01 pm »
And I'd rather Stephen Gerrard than the same Javier Mascherano, its about opinions. I've seen the lad probably mor than most and had conversations about him with some fairly senior people at the club, who think his attitude is brilliant and will take him places. He knows where the goal is, no doubt, I don't know if he'll make it, but I do believe that he is still at a development stage and its too early to tell.

There are a few exceptional players, especially centre forwards, where you know at such an early stage (and I know we have been priveleged to have a couple of them) about whether or not they'll make it, its all down to development, your aptitude, ability and how you take on board your experiences.

Eighteen months or so down the line we'll see where we are with Morgan, what I do know if anybody sitting in this gaff things they are in the position to make definitive statements, well they are kidding themselves.
John, I'd rather a local lad all day if there was a preference and they were the best person. I'd also LOVE Morgan to play for Liverpool's first team 500 times if he becomes good enough.  All I'm saying above is watch this space.

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #449 on: October 27, 2012, 10:01:48 pm »
John, I'd rather a local lad all day if there was a preference and they were the best person. I'd also LOVE Morgan to play for Liverpool's first team 500 times if he becomes good enough.  All I'm saying above is watch this space.

Reply wasn't to you BB. I've no problem with the best player being in our team, best player I've ever seen was not a local, what I've said in a subsequent post is that being part of the club is an advantage and should not be seen as a disadvantage, which it has by some in the past.
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #450 on: October 27, 2012, 10:05:31 pm »
Reply wasn't to you BB. I've no problem with the best player being in our team, best player I've ever seen was not a local, what I've said in a subsequent post is that being part of the club is an advantage and should not be seen as a disadvantage, which it has by some in the past.
I know pal, I was just commenting about Morgan really. Sadly I think he will be on his way.

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #451 on: October 27, 2012, 10:57:28 pm »
Smart arse reply.

Yeah it wasn't a blatantly obvious username reference to an equally smart arse reply.

However you are right     you don't get it.
It's a local thing.

Then please, by all means explain it to me. Where I'm from the only time you should ever care is when you play for the national team. When you play for the team you support it means that you ignore the big picture and let emotions overrule all common sense. I should know, since I played for my local team. When you support the team you play for you go all out all the time. You play through the pain barrier and you throw all caution out the wind if it means getting just one game. It's all fine and well for the supporters, they admire you for it, they sing you and it's all fine and well until you actually hit a legitimate problem. Fowler, Owen, Redknapp all had their Liverpool careers cut short because they were young and pushed themselves too much. I can easily relate as I'm as guilty of it as anyone. I've played 3/4 of a game with a broken jaw. Spitting out and replacing a medical gauze every 3-5 minutes because my mouth wouldn't stop bleeding. There still wasn't a chance in hell I was going to let anyone stop me from finishing the game. Of course that only made things much worse and I was out for the next 6. There are countless other examples. I've played with dislocated and broken finger, cracked ribs, broken my elbow and had so many injuries playing that I still suffer from it, and I haven't played in years.

Around 2008 you would never have questioned that Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres loved the club. And again this is where I seem to differ from the locals is when I heard they were having injections before each match to play through the pain barrier I didn't think they were heroes, I thought they were fucking idiots. Of course both of them suffered recurring injuries, agitating the ones that were already plaguing them and as a result both are a shadow of their former selves.

A similar situation is happening with Carles Puyol. He's injured himself in 43 seperate locations whilst playing for Barca and the national team. And again we reach the point of differing opinions. There are some who will claim this is the kind of dedication they want from their players, I know it's the kind of player I wanted to be (even though I played a different sport). But when I see my team play I want every player to be like Javier Zanetti. Someone who knows where to draw the line. Someone with the big picture in mind and who sees the benefit in recovering and reaching 100% fitness instead of chancing it because of raw emotion. I want someone who has a career low of 34 games a season. Someone who has captained the club for 13 years without missing a beat, because he realises that everything counts in the long run. Missing a few games is worth if it means being fit for the rest of the season, however important said games might be.

Maybe I just don't get it but it's how I see it. I'd take cold ruthless efficiency over chest pounding and badge kissing every day. And if so then so be it. Bill Shankly famously said "For a player to be good enough to play for Liverpool, he must be prepared to run through a brick wall for me then come out fighting on the other side" I appreciate the idealism of it but I'd rather see Liverpool's player scale the wall and be fit to fight on the other side.
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #452 on: October 28, 2012, 12:56:57 am »
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #453 on: October 28, 2012, 06:20:19 am »
a Knock Out reply Aristotle

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #454 on: October 28, 2012, 06:31:46 am »
a Knock Out reply Aristotle

Is it?

I just thought it wrong and irrelevant. The question was about whether it was relevant that Adam Morgan is local and he goes on to talk about his national team (wherever that may be), Gerrard & Torres playing through injuries and how he knows more than Shankly ever did about players like Tommy Smith, proving his advocate correct, he is right, he doesn't get it.
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« Reply #455 on: October 28, 2012, 09:06:58 am »
Is it?

I just thought it wrong and irrelevant. The question was about whether it was relevant that Adam Morgan is local and he goes on to talk about his national team (wherever that may be), Gerrard & Torres playing through injuries and how he knows more than Shankly ever did about players like Tommy Smith, proving his advocate correct, he is right, he doesn't get it.
Short answer then no its not irrelevant.There is no advantage in football being local. With everything in life time changes the days when that was irrelevant is long gone.

Best example of this would be Carra if he was at club now he would not make it, go back 20 plus years being local/passion and all the rest it brings brought Carra time to develop into world class player(2005-2008). Now modern day football does not allow another Carra to make it ask Spearing.

If Adam makes it will be purely cause of talent/ability/attitude nothing to do where he born.
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #456 on: December 2, 2012, 07:55:40 pm »
... Is going to be a dad.

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #457 on: December 2, 2012, 07:57:49 pm »
@AMorgan94: Proud to announce im going to bé a dad

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #458 on: December 2, 2012, 07:58:43 pm »
these kids need to wrap it up more

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #459 on: December 2, 2012, 07:59:38 pm »
... Is going to be a dad.

He's, what, 18? That's quick.

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #460 on: December 2, 2012, 08:02:04 pm »
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #461 on: December 2, 2012, 08:03:27 pm »
adam morgan ‏@AMorgan94
Sorry somebody had my phone I am not going to be a dad! Just I left my phone unlocked!!!

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #462 on: December 2, 2012, 08:03:36 pm »
He just tweeted he left his phone unlock, obviously his mate has wrote it whilst he's been away for a second, ;D, he's not going to be a dad.

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« Reply #463 on: December 2, 2012, 08:07:10 pm »
Looked like that to me but the way people were reacting was a bit serious!

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« Reply #464 on: December 2, 2012, 08:23:20 pm »
we cannot score on the pitch but the lads are doing better off the pitch, get them all fathered up and married that the way to do it.
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« Reply #465 on: December 3, 2012, 06:29:53 am »
I read he's going to be a dad and damn it I'm going to believe he's going to be a dad. So he better make it happen.
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #466 on: January 3, 2013, 03:54:26 pm »
Apparently gone to Rotherham on loan.

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #467 on: January 3, 2013, 04:07:28 pm »
Apparently gone to Rotherham on loan.

Great news.. good luck Adam, a bit of first team football will do the lad wonders.
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #468 on: January 3, 2013, 04:20:01 pm »
Yeah it wasn't a blatantly obvious username reference to an equally smart arse reply.

Then please, by all means explain it to me. Where I'm from the only time you should ever care is when you play for the national team. When you play for the team you support it means that you ignore the big picture and let emotions overrule all common sense. I should know, since I played for my local team. When you support the team you play for you go all out all the time. You play through the pain barrier and you throw all caution out the wind if it means getting just one game. It's all fine and well for the supporters, they admire you for it, they sing you and it's all fine and well until you actually hit a legitimate problem. Fowler, Owen, Redknapp all had their Liverpool careers cut short because they were young and pushed themselves too much. I can easily relate as I'm as guilty of it as anyone. I've played 3/4 of a game with a broken jaw. Spitting out and replacing a medical gauze every 3-5 minutes because my mouth wouldn't stop bleeding. There still wasn't a chance in hell I was going to let anyone stop me from finishing the game. Of course that only made things much worse and I was out for the next 6. There are countless other examples. I've played with dislocated and broken finger, cracked ribs, broken my elbow and had so many injuries playing that I still suffer from it, and I haven't played in years.

Around 2008 you would never have questioned that Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres loved the club. And again this is where I seem to differ from the locals is when I heard they were having injections before each match to play through the pain barrier I didn't think they were heroes, I thought they were fucking idiots. Of course both of them suffered recurring injuries, agitating the ones that were already plaguing them and as a result both are a shadow of their former selves.

A similar situation is happening with Carles Puyol. He's injured himself in 43 seperate locations whilst playing for Barca and the national team. And again we reach the point of differing opinions. There are some who will claim this is the kind of dedication they want from their players, I know it's the kind of player I wanted to be (even though I played a different sport). But when I see my team play I want every player to be like Javier Zanetti. Someone who knows where to draw the line. Someone with the big picture in mind and who sees the benefit in recovering and reaching 100% fitness instead of chancing it because of raw emotion. I want someone who has a career low of 34 games a season. Someone who has captained the club for 13 years without missing a beat, because he realises that everything counts in the long run. Missing a few games is worth if it means being fit for the rest of the season, however important said games might be.

Maybe I just don't get it but it's how I see it. I'd take cold ruthless efficiency over chest pounding and badge kissing every day. And if so then so be it. Bill Shankly famously said "For a player to be good enough to play for Liverpool, he must be prepared to run through a brick wall for me then come out fighting on the other side" I appreciate the idealism of it but I'd rather see Liverpool's player scale the wall and be fit to fight on the other side.

Interesting points as I made similiar experience myself. But it has nothing to do with local or not. Nobody would have been able to stop Lucas for playing just too many games in a row. It´s actually the responibility of the manager and the stuff to prevent players from crossing the limits. I wasn´t overly ambition as a player but the pressure surrounding you can make you do weird things.
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #469 on: January 3, 2013, 04:50:08 pm »
This is a good move for Adam. Rotherham in a good position at the moment and will be looking for promotion. Good luck Adam. Show your quality and you'll do well. Great experience for the lad.
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #470 on: January 3, 2013, 04:54:01 pm »
Good luck to the lad!

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« Reply #471 on: January 3, 2013, 04:55:33 pm »
Official

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/striker-completes-loan-move

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Adam Morgan is set to join Rotherham United on a youth loan until February 9, subject to Football League and FA ratification.

The 18-year-old striker will hope to gain first-team experience at the League Two side.

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #472 on: January 3, 2013, 04:56:35 pm »
Good luck to the lad.  He needs some game experience and this will be good for him.

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #473 on: January 3, 2013, 05:03:51 pm »
This is a good move for Adam. Rotherham in a good position at the moment and will be looking for promotion.

Imo that's the main positive regarding this move, he's going to be playing in a winning team that will be creating chances. Some would suggest it to be character building to send youngsters to struggling teams but as far as i'm concerned we should be looking to send them off to teams that are doing well, in the hope that they'll become more confident, thanks to being part of a successful team.
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #474 on: January 3, 2013, 05:08:02 pm »
Good luck Adam
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #475 on: January 3, 2013, 05:14:45 pm »
What exactly will he accomplish in a month?

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #476 on: January 3, 2013, 05:17:43 pm »
What exactly will he accomplish in a month?
Hopefully he will get a few full games. He will find that level tough physically and I just hope he takes some early chances and gets himself a few goals as he is a good lad. It seems he won't make it at Liverpool now and if that is the case I hope he has a great career somewhere else.

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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #477 on: January 3, 2013, 05:18:59 pm »
What exactly will he accomplish in a month?

Hopefully he'll show enough that they'll want to extend it to the end of the season. I'm sure that'll be the idea for all parties.
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« Reply #478 on: January 3, 2013, 05:21:06 pm »
Wonder what he'll make of Steve Evans.
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Re: Adam Morgan
« Reply #479 on: January 3, 2013, 05:22:01 pm »
What exactly will he accomplish in a month?
I'd say the most important thing would be it will give him the opportunity to play against a wide range of opposition defenders not just the kids and players of his own age he's used to playing against and if he starts banging them in at that level it may give him the confidence to prove he can make it at full level
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