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Me neither but still from a Stevie G free kick.
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I agree with that post mate. But i have a bit of a wacky view on this. Basically, every member of our team SHOULD be able to ping a good ball in from the flank so i think the crucial thing to do is make sure the taker isnt someboday that could be used more effectively elsewhere. So i agree that Stevie G should be lurking around the edge of the box, and i think that whoever wants to take them should.

Ive seen Baros, gerrard, Alonso , Garcia , Riise , Kewell and Smicer all take corners, and none of them stand out as being better than one another.

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Although some people may disagree even though Stevies ball in on Sat this vast majority of his free kicks and corners are extremley poor, still don't understand why he has to take every one.

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That was the first decent free/corner Stevie has manged in weeks.

He can do it; but not consistently; and that's the problem I think.  NONE of the (even Xabi) is that good at set-pieces. HK can do it sometimes, but Stevie at least has the bottle (and stubbornness ) to keep banging them in. Tho he would often be more use in th box/on the edge of the 'D'

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Finnan or Nunez should be our set piece takers imo.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #85 on: February 7, 2005, 06:46:35 pm »
Nunez shouldn't even be in the first 16 on current form !!!!!!! Finnan for me. SG on and around the box.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #86 on: March 6, 2006, 10:06:33 am »
Although some people may disagree even though Stevies ball in on Sat this vast majority of his free kicks and corners are extremley poor, still don't understand why he has to take every one.

Gerrard is without contest one of the worst cornertakers I've ever seen. 75% of his corners is cleared by the defender on the 1st post. And it seems like he's uncapable of adjusting... The same thing goes for free-kicks, even if they are slightly better.

Our scoring record at corners are poor. I doubt there are many teams that have got more corners this season then us. But still we have scored only a couple of goals.

We have a collossus in Sami in there, and a couple of decent headers as well (Kewell, Carra...), but still Gerrard's delivery leads to noting.

Gerrard is pretty good in the air as well, so there is one argument alone that he sould stay in the box.

I would let Riise have a go. A couple of years ago he spent many hours on specializing on corners. He delivered them very accurate for the norwegian national team, until Gamst Pedersen came in and took over. If we're looking for inswinging corners Finnan could have a go perhaps from the left?

I don't know who would be the best one...but I DO know that Gerrard isn't the solution.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #87 on: March 6, 2006, 10:10:52 am »
our strikers aren't confident. We don't like we have a GAME PLAN.

Someone on the near post, someone on the far post and someone in the middle.

But no GAME PLAN.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #88 on: March 6, 2006, 10:46:29 am »
hardly ever get them over and when we do theres  nothing on the end of them why does stevie take them? shud be alonso Gerard's not a bad headerer of the ball.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #89 on: March 6, 2006, 10:55:41 am »
Gerrard is without contest one of the worst cornertakers I've ever seen. 75% of his corners is cleared by the defender on the 1st post. And it seems like he's uncapable of adjusting... The same thing goes for free-kicks, even if they are slightly better.

Our scoring record at corners are poor. I doubt there are many teams that have got more corners this season then us. But still we have scored only a couple of goals.

We have a collossus in Sami in there, and a couple of decent headers as well (Kewell, Carra...), but still Gerrard's delivery leads to noting.

Gerrard is pretty good in the air as well, so there is one argument alone that he sould stay in the box.

I would let Riise have a go. A couple of years ago he spent many hours on specializing on corners. He delivered them very accurate for the norwegian national team, until Gamst Pedersen came in and took over. If we're looking for inswinging corners Finnan could have a go perhaps from the left?

I don't know who would be the best one...but I DO know that Gerrard isn't the solution.

I agree, I don't even get remotely exited when we get a corner now.

Very rarely beat the first man, and mainly NO ONE ATTACKS THE FUCKING BALL, which is really beginning to piss me off.

Like you say we have got a team full of 6 foot + players and we don't even win the headers.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #90 on: March 6, 2006, 11:00:18 am »
Got to agree that Gerrard should not be taking them, but Alonso? His dead balls are so often overhit or underhit it's untrue for someone with as much class as he has. I think this is part of the problem - where Gerrard is poor with corners I've seen a fair few ocassions this season where it has been swapped around and to be honest, the others haven't fared any better. Of course, this would have been a benefit of signing Figo - we'd have someone who could take a dead ball better and Gerrard would be free at set pieces in or around the box.

I'm pleased to note that Pennant is a Rafa target because he can deliver an excellent cross - that should help our set piece situation next season if we get him or someone like him - because everyone can see that we lack nothing in height with the likes of Carra, Sami, Crouch, Mori etc. in and around the box at set pieces.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #91 on: March 6, 2006, 11:02:18 am »
NO ONE ATTACKS THE FUCKING BALL,

The problem in a nut shell.

In the box you have to go at the ball like your life depends on it.

Our blokes act like heading the ball might mess up their hair.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #92 on: March 6, 2006, 11:10:47 am »
I'd like to see someone other than Gerrard take them......his delivery is appalling and he very rarely clears the first man on the near post
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #93 on: March 6, 2006, 11:21:26 am »
bring back danny murphy ;)
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #94 on: March 6, 2006, 11:32:15 am »
Gerrard is good in the air oand on the edge, but is awful at corners, Murphy was great but I think Finnan or Xabi or Kewel, no to Gerrard

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #95 on: March 6, 2006, 11:56:17 am »
Gerrard is good in the air oand on the edge, but is awful at corners, Murphy was great but I think Finnan or Xabi or Kewel, no to Gerrard

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #96 on: March 6, 2006, 12:02:30 pm »
You have to wonder why someone doesnt say something to him or at least figure out for himself to get it in a more dangerous spot.

i and the same with riise and those wasteful fucking throws, Rafa lad have a word!
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #97 on: March 6, 2006, 12:02:41 pm »
Whats all this business about playing Corners short for someone else to fire into the box,
when it comes off it doesnt seem to make any difference in terms of the end result,
and some times we dont even get the ball into the box, becasue the short recipient gives the ball away.

Seems like a waste of a corner to me.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #98 on: March 6, 2006, 12:05:48 pm »
Whats all this business about playing Corners short for someone else to fire into the box,
when it comes off it doesnt seem to make any difference in terms of the end result,
and some times we dont even get the ball into the box, becasue the short recipient gives the ball away.

Seems like a waste of a corner to me.

in fairness we have scored once im certain of this way but i think twice which is better than from normal deliveries

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #99 on: March 6, 2006, 12:31:16 pm »
Times have changed and defending is much improved (with all the blocking and un-punished shirt pulling) so not many teams score from corners. The fact that we get a lot of corners jsut makes us look even worse at it.

Chelsea are probably the exception as Terry attacks a ball so well.

The most dangerous we have been in recent years was when Gary Mac used to drop that ball on the near post for Sami or Heskey.

I agree though that Stevie shouldn't take them as he's most likely to score from a ball breaking around the box.

Probably Kewell for me from the right and perhaps Finnan from the left.

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« Reply #100 on: March 6, 2006, 12:32:31 pm »
you prefer the old out-swinging corner kicks then :)
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #101 on: March 6, 2006, 12:34:26 pm »
you prefer the old out-swinging corner kicks then :)
In swingers for me just dropping in the front third of the goal across the six yard box. It's too hard to score from 12 yards out with a header under pressure.

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« Reply #102 on: March 6, 2006, 12:37:34 pm »
In swingers for me just dropping in the front third of the goal across the six yard box. It's too hard to score from 12 yards out with a header under pressure.

aye that's what i meant :butt
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #103 on: March 6, 2006, 12:48:38 pm »
At which end ?

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #104 on: March 6, 2006, 01:04:23 pm »
Gerrard's corners aren't as bad as people make out. They're improved a fair bit over the last year. There's still the odd delivery that doesn't beat the first man but there's also plenty that are crossed in well but nobody gets on the end of it. I put more of the blame on the people in the box to be honest, not attacking the ball well enough and so on.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #105 on: March 6, 2006, 01:07:12 pm »
Gerrard's corners aren't as bad as people make out. They're improved a fair bit over the last year. There's still the odd delivery that doesn't beat the first man but there's also plenty that are crossed in well but nobody gets on the end of it. I put more of the blame on the people in the box to be honest, not attacking the ball well enough and so on.

i agree, he has improved, as have his free kicks. still rather someone better took them though
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #106 on: March 6, 2006, 02:07:52 pm »
For £60,000+ a week, you'd expect inch perfect delivery every bloody time. It's a farce when the calibre of players we have can't swing a dead ball in to beat the first man. Only one thing that can be drawn from this: we're looking everytime for a run from a player to the near post.

Like others have said, a corner means fuck all of recent, we just don't seem to be able to do anything with them. You know a corner has been pulled off correctly when Carra gets on the end of it, ehmmm......equating to about 4 well taken corners a season (nothng on Carra there).

The problem breeds another question. Why is Gerrard taking the corners, when he should be on the edge of the box to bury it back in? This being the Scholes/Lampard position, and in my view he should be there, foraging for lose balls that come back out of the box. Might as well get Reina to take the corners, Gerrard isn't providing much from that situtation.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #107 on: March 6, 2006, 02:09:56 pm »
Gary Mac was superb at corners, think we took him for granted then, shame we didn't look n learn when he was with us.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #108 on: March 6, 2006, 03:07:32 pm »
Gary Mac was superb at corners, think we took him for granted then, shame we didn't look n learn when he was with us.

Gary MAc used to float them in. Perhaps we should try that again, putting Sami at the first post?

Always difficult to defenda against flicks in the box, since anything can happen. Even a L'pool goal perhaps???
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #109 on: March 6, 2006, 03:17:21 pm »
We are poor at corners because:

1. We don't get to the first ball.
2. If we get to the first ball, we don't get to the second.
3. When, having missed the first or second balls, or both, all we can think to do is spread it wide and start again, not getting to the first....

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« Reply #110 on: March 6, 2006, 05:18:23 pm »
I'd like to see Kewell and Garcia taking more corners because Gerrard's strong point is getting to a loose ball and we've seen him score countless times like that. It's now been 4 goals in 8 games, which is very, very worrying ahead of Benfica.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #111 on: March 6, 2006, 05:25:01 pm »
Gerrard's corners aren't as bad as people make out. They're improved a fair bit over the last year. There's still the odd delivery that doesn't beat the first man but there's also plenty that are crossed in well but nobody gets on the end of it. I put more of the blame on the people in the box to be honest, not attacking the ball well enough and so on.

I would agree that even when a good ball goes in, far too often nobody is on the end.  When they are, it is often one of our 'smaller' players eg Kewell or Garcia.  Crouch?  Never there.  Too slow and not strong enough. 

As in open play, defenders neutralise Crouch by blocking him off at the far post where he is neither strong enough to barge past, nor a good enough header to head towards goal (eg. Charlton) or back across the face.

In this way, at least, many defenders have 'found out' how to play PC.  Maybe he would be better at the near post flicking it on.  If he gets pushed there, rather than blocked, then at least a pen may be given more easily.

Obviously its not all PC, because our corners/free kicks are generally poor across the board.  Such a tall team too, I might add.
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« Reply #112 on: March 6, 2006, 06:23:29 pm »
Tall team but not able to capitalise on anything. Hard to believe these people are paid over 50000 quid a week.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #113 on: March 6, 2006, 06:44:07 pm »
Whats all this business about playing Corners short for someone else to fire into the box,
when it comes off it doesnt seem to make any difference in terms of the end result,
and some times we dont even get the ball into the box, becasue the short recipient gives the ball away.

Seems like a waste of a corner to me.

The idea is to attract defenders outside the box and also to change the angle of attack. But badly executed leads to nothing, just like the long corners :D
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #114 on: March 6, 2006, 06:48:34 pm »
Poor delivery and the tallest players not attacking the ball with conviction. Compare to Barcelona, who unbelivebly have created far more than Liverpool at set pices against Chelsea. But Ronaldinho places them in the right spot and our players, although much shorter are also far more dynamic. Against Individual marking, like Chelsea do, even with short players you can score goals as the chances of getting a free header with individual marking are better.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #115 on: March 6, 2006, 06:57:10 pm »
basically what everyone else has said. gerrard fails to beat the first man far too often, xabi should take them leaving gerrard to be a goal threat either in, or outside the box.

we've got players who can head, sami, carra, riise, kewell, crouch, morientes... we just need the delivery.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #116 on: March 6, 2006, 06:58:02 pm »

In this way, at least, many defenders have 'found out' how to play PC.  Maybe he would be better at the near post flicking it on.  If he gets pushed there, rather than blocked, then at least a pen may be given more easily.


Agree with much of what you're saying. With Crouch at the near post, the opposition keeper would find it hard to see the ball.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #117 on: March 6, 2006, 07:14:01 pm »
Thanks, Myrlas, for resurrecting this thread, because it shows how little has changed in a year as far as our corner kicks are concerned. Gerrard still sucks at them. The only thing that's changed over the past twelve months is that we have even more big fellers to park in the box. But we still can't make use of them.
A couple of matches back I thought I heard a colour commentator say L'pool have had the most corners of any team in the Prem. But how many have we scored from?
Some of the key points have already been expressed: Stevie is far more of a threat posted on the edge of the box than he is taking corners; we seem to have some sort of file of training ground rituals that we try to reproduce in match situations, at both corners and free kicks, and they never come off; short corners are a joke.
Notice on Saturday, the one corner Xabi took fell dangerously into the box and caused panic. I'm not saying Xabi is the answer, but his corner trajectory is more of a theat than Stevie's. His corners are more like Beckham's crosses in that they drop like a stone, though they don't come over flat and hard the way Beckham's do. Very difficult to defend. Stevie's hang up there waiting for the goalie to pick them off or looking for a tall, powerful header of the ball to meet them fifteen yards out. We don't have such a player.
The thing that gets me is Rafa allowing this to go on, when all of us can see its a problem. Stevie is like those kids who used to own the ball we played with in the street. He wants to take every corner, free kick and penalty. He's a great player but these aren't his strong points. Kewell, Xabi, anybody, should be given a crack, and let's have Stevie doing what he does best - going for the rebound first-timer on the edge of the box.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #118 on: March 6, 2006, 07:24:11 pm »
The thing that gets me is Rafa allowing this to go on, when all of us can see its a problem. Stevie is like those kids who used to own the ball we played with in the street. He wants to take every corner, free kick and penalty. He's a great player but these aren't his strong points. Kewell, Xabi, anybody, should be given a crack, and let's have Stevie doing what he does best - going for the rebound first-timer on the edge of the box.

Hear hear.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #119 on: March 6, 2006, 07:41:01 pm »
Is that the reason why Benitez wanted to sign Solano and later Simao or Victor? The three of them have a very good delivery at set pieces. I think it is much more important to have a good set piece taker than great headers of the ball. At Real Madrid even Raul Bravo who is shit in the air (and everywhere) has scored a few for Real Madrid. But then it is Beckham taking them.
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