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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46840 on: October 27, 2017, 01:18:21 pm »
Their obsession with Chamberlain is fucking weird on social media. Every misplaced pass he does seems to be the talking point of Arsenal fans on Twitter and Reddit. Him rejecting a new contract to come to us really hurt them for some reason...

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46841 on: October 27, 2017, 01:50:31 pm »
Their obsession with Chamberlain is fucking weird on social media. Every misplaced pass he does seems to be the talking point of Arsenal fans on Twitter and Reddit. Him rejecting a new contract to come to us really hurt them for some reason...
They could rationalise players who have left in the past going to City or somewhere for the money or a better chance of winning the league, like we did with Torres. Taking a pay cut just to come and work for Klopp is a proper kick in the teeth to be honest. Also he's English so can't say he's foreign and didn't understand the club.

It's hard to blame him though (and I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible by saying that), he has the talent and he's probably looked at Walcott's faltering career under Wenger and thought he doesn't want to end up being wasted potential. If there's a real player in there somewhere I'm confident Klopp is the man to bring it out of him.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46842 on: October 27, 2017, 01:58:54 pm »
Their obsession with Chamberlain is fucking weird on social media. Every misplaced pass he does seems to be the talking point of Arsenal fans on Twitter and Reddit. Him rejecting a new contract to come to us really hurt them for some reason...

The vast majority of them were hailing him as one of their better players before he left. One of the ones who would still perform well when the rest of the team wasn't, deserved more minutes, etc, etc. Now all of a sudden he is shite and they were glad to get rid of him.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46843 on: October 27, 2017, 03:46:09 pm »
I think the general feeling is that most Arsenal fans  have been pleasantly surprised that Ox has been worse than they thought he would be.
The irony felt by Arsenal fans is that the media drove the move as Ox being held back by Wenger, and he is now performing worse for Liverpool than he did for Arsenal.
I still think he ll come good because he's an excellent player, but I'm not surprised that Arsenal fans are enjoying his temporary dip in form.
I can't hate the player though, never came across as anything other than genuine. I think he's a little unlucky in leaving one chaotic team and seemingly ending up in another, but he also needs to grow as a personality and start leading on the pitch himself.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46844 on: October 27, 2017, 08:19:48 pm »
They could rationalise players who have left in the past going to City or somewhere for the money or a better chance of winning the league, like we did with Torres. Taking a pay cut just to come and work for Klopp is a proper kick in the teeth to be honest. Also he's English so can't say he's foreign and didn't understand the club.

It's hard to blame him though (and I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible by saying that), he has the talent and he's probably looked at Walcott's faltering career under Wenger and thought he doesn't want to end up being wasted potential. If there's a real player in there somewhere I'm confident Klopp is the man to bring it out of him.

The problem he has at Liverpool, is the same he had at Arsenal, and maybe even more so. If he wants to play central, then he competes with Coutinho, Can, Gigi, Lallana, Henderson,and soon to be Naby Keita. As a wide forward he doesn't have the end product of a Salah or Mane.

I just don't see how it's possible for him to excel to be honest, and I like the lad, and I'm not bitter, I can understand why he would want to leave Arsenal.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46845 on: October 27, 2017, 08:25:35 pm »
The problem he has at Liverpool, is the same he had at Arsenal, and maybe even more so. If he wants to play central, then he competes with Coutinho, Can, Gigi, Lallana, Henderson,and soon to be Naby Keita. As a wide forward he doesn't have the end product of a Salah or Mane.

I just don't see how it's possible for him to excel to be honest, and I like the lad, and I'm not bitter, I can understand why he would want to leave Arsenal.
I think it's a toss up where he ends up playing to be honest, he could develop into a consistently good winger but I also see similarities with Lallana in that he can look good on the ball but doesn't contribute enough in attack to play in a front three. After a few months working with Klopp I think he'll start to come good.

Also the competition isn't as fierce as you make out, Can in all likelihood will be leaving and the current midfield has been shocking anyway this season. It's incredibly static and easy to play through, which is a terrible combination. Milner got a start against Spurs because he offered something different in midweek by making runs into the box, we desperately miss Lallana in that respect.

I would drop Can for Chamberlain right now to be honest but I don't see that happening.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46846 on: October 27, 2017, 08:53:36 pm »
Lads, it's time to appreciate one of the greats - https://streamable.com/vv5d2  :)

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46847 on: October 27, 2017, 08:57:04 pm »
Their obsession with Chamberlain is fucking weird on social media. Every misplaced pass he does seems to be the talking point of Arsenal fans on Twitter and Reddit. Him rejecting a new contract to come to us really hurt them for some reason...

Think it's a bemusement that him flattering to deceive wasn't just an Arsenal issue.  I fully expected him to go to play for Klopp and thrive in a counter attacking system - yet he's been put at right back, centre midfield and on the wing, just as he had for Wenger.   Perhaps it's a problem with having talent but not consistency. He was at the club for around seven years and never seemed to kick on, but personally speaking I was glad he rejected the contract and got the club Ł40m in the process.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46848 on: October 27, 2017, 09:03:10 pm »
Lads, it's time to appreciate one of the greats - https://streamable.com/vv5d2  :)

Ha very good. Some amazing goals and seems a good character Giroud.
It's true to say that if Shankly had told us to invade Poland we'd be queuing up 10 deep all the way from Anfield to the Pier Head.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46849 on: October 28, 2017, 05:27:57 am »
The problem he has at Liverpool, is the same he had at Arsenal, and maybe even more so. If he wants to play central, then he competes with Coutinho, Can, Gigi, Lallana, Henderson,and soon to be Naby Keita. As a wide forward he doesn't have the end product of a Salah or Mane.

I just don't see how it's possible for him to excel to be honest, and I like the lad, and I'm not bitter, I can understand why he would want to leave Arsenal.

He's closer than that imo.  Mane and Salah aren't going to play every game, case in point Mane's out today. Can and Gini are not up to much so far,  any serious player gets ahead. Firmino as well will come under threat if he doesn't up his contributions, we could easily play a flexible Mane, Salah, Chamberlain front three if the Ox stands out enough.

A load of fillers in the side, he's got a chance to make his case over the season.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46850 on: October 29, 2017, 10:08:33 am »
The ArsenalFanTV podcast about their AGM is really interesting, even as a non-Arsenal fan

The boiled piss routine has become pretty stale, but I find Robbie and DT pretty engrossing still.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46851 on: November 5, 2017, 04:28:57 pm »
How depressing could it be to see the back line of your team is Koscielny, Coquelin and Monreal. You'd think they'd moved on from Djourou, Squilacci days but no.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46852 on: November 5, 2017, 04:30:33 pm »
I genuinely wouldn’t take Ozil on a free. Wouldn’t want that mentality of his in our dressing room no matter his ability.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46853 on: November 5, 2017, 06:31:30 pm »
How depressing could it be to see the back line of your team is Koscielny, Coquelin and Monreal. You'd think they'd moved on from Djourou, Squilacci days but no.

Koscielny is 1 of the better defenders in the league, & Monreal has been our most consistent player this season. I've no idea what Coquelin was doing back there though.

Don't think many was expecting a result there (sad indication of where we are at maybe). Only positive is that along with you guys we aren't far off the hunt for top 4 and we've got Anfield, Stamford Bridge and Etihad (& Stoke) out the road. Need to win at home vs Spurs next game mind you, although they are probably a better side than us just now.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46854 on: November 5, 2017, 07:22:08 pm »
Spurs probably the better side???

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46855 on: November 5, 2017, 08:14:19 pm »
Spurs probably the better side???

Would you say they are better than you guys?

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46856 on: November 5, 2017, 08:28:03 pm »
Would you say they are better than you guys?

Yes. And I believe that we are a better team than Arsenal.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46857 on: November 5, 2017, 08:28:21 pm »
Would you say they are better than you guys?

not too much in it, think they're better balanced than us and deffo better at the back but we've got the ability to, well you saw first hand not so long ago ;D

think it'll be a tight game, could go either way if arsenal are at it, if not then a comfortable spurs win

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46858 on: November 5, 2017, 08:47:37 pm »
Deffo finishing above this lot
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46859 on: November 5, 2017, 08:48:25 pm »
And spurs
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46860 on: November 5, 2017, 08:59:38 pm »
Would you say they are better than you guys?
yes, we’ve finished above them something like once in the last eight seasons and even though I don’t think the gap is as big as some think they’re still better than us by a bit

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46861 on: November 5, 2017, 09:39:28 pm »
Spurs are better than both of us, they're guaranteed top 4 this season, not something we can say about either of us.
The quicker Ozil leaves on a free the better, minute I saw him on the team sheet I knew wed lost. A proper manager would pick him against the Everton's and drop him against the Man citys. The player we insist on dropping every big away game is Lacazette, no idea how Wenger came up with this ridiculous idea.
City are actually not that great, any decent team that waits long enough will get plenty of gifts from us, we have some right average players down the spine of our team, I can see them hitting a wall at some stage, but it wont matter, no one below them is good enough to capitalise.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46862 on: November 5, 2017, 09:43:28 pm »
yes, we’ve finished above them something like once in the last eight seasons and even though I don’t think the gap is as big as some think they’re still better than us by a bit

And they've finished ahead of us once in the last 20 odd years.  ;)

Listen, I said probably because it's not easy for me to admit. I'd reluctantly say they are better than us, stronger in defence, more balanced in midfield and a striker better than any of ours. The next game will be a big game for both teams, Arsenal need to win to try and assert themselves again, Spurs win and it really does confirm them as top dogs.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46863 on: November 5, 2017, 11:29:06 pm »
50m on a striker that gets benched away at the big teams. What was the point.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46864 on: November 6, 2017, 02:54:08 am »
Ramsey for me was atrocious.  He always seems to need an extra touch and he doesn't excel at anything in particular. 

Also Bellerin was kinda useless.


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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46865 on: November 6, 2017, 05:23:35 am »
As someone who supports a club that competes against these, can I just say how great it is to see Iwobi and Le Coq on the team sheet?  Never change Arsene. Lacazette on the bench!
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46866 on: November 6, 2017, 08:43:44 am »
Ramsey for me was atrocious.  He always seems to need an extra touch and he doesn't excel at anything in particular. 

Also Bellerin was kinda useless.

Ramsey is very wasteful in possession like you say, always seems to take too many touches, simple passes going astray. Xhaka after starting to perform well at the end of last season has reverted back to his original form. It is a big worry as we still don't seem to have the balance right, or the correct personnel to address the balance in midfield still. For a man that prides himself on possession football & having technical players, he has a few out there that struggle with the concept. Putting Coquelin as the middle central defender, for the first time, against the best team in the league? Injuries or not, what's that all about?

Spurs at home will tell us an awful lot. Lose that & it's going to be a long season again.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46867 on: November 6, 2017, 09:14:39 am »
Got a result that a 5th or 6th placed team might achieve, which is par for a team that is destined to finish 5th or 6th.

A different manager could get a great deal more out of this set of players. Wenger is utterly past it and we will go nowhere until he finally departs.  It's been a slow decline over the past 10 years but accelerated in the past 12-18 months.  Our only two world class players will be gone next season and we have a mountainous rebuilding job to do, and Wenger will absolutely fuck that up as well.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46868 on: November 6, 2017, 09:49:18 am »
Got a result that a 5th or 6th placed team might achieve, which is par for a team that is destined to finish 5th or 6th.

A different manager could get a great deal more out of this set of players. Wenger is utterly past it and we will go nowhere until he finally departs.  It's been a slow decline over the past 10 years but accelerated in the past 12-18 months.  Our only two world class players will be gone next season and we have a mountainous rebuilding job to do, and Wenger will absolutely fuck that up as well.

You think?

I don't really see a huge amount there to be honest, its obviously mainly his fault that he has that set of players anyway but I'd say 5th/6th is about par for them. Sanchez is obviously excellent, Koscielny is a good CB but pretty injury prone, Cech is decent but nowhere near what he used to be and Lacazette should score a lot of goals but generally they've got a lot of pretty good players but that's about it.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46869 on: November 6, 2017, 09:56:41 am »
Got a result that a 5th or 6th placed team might achieve, which is par for a team that is destined to finish 5th or 6th.

A different manager could get a great deal more out of this set of players. Wenger is utterly past it and we will go nowhere until he finally departs.  It's been a slow decline over the past 10 years but accelerated in the past 12-18 months.  Our only two world class players will be gone next season and we have a mountainous rebuilding job to do, and Wenger will absolutely fuck that up as well.

3-1 is actually not too bad in the context of what Man City have been doing to sides recently. They've won 15 on the spin and they've scored 52 already this season! I guess you guys will be seeing it as a continuation of poor results against the top sides though.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46870 on: November 6, 2017, 10:22:16 am »
We'll probably get the right line up by the time the fa cup comes round.
Reality is that even if we picked the perfect line up every time, and had the best manager in the world,This set of players won't win a title. Makes football a little boring at the moment, fighting for a CL place lost its appeal a long time ago. Finding it very hard to get excited about football right now, there is just nothing to play for.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46871 on: November 6, 2017, 10:26:05 am »
We'll probably get the right line up by the time the fa cup comes round.
Reality is that even if we picked the perfect line up every time, and had the best manager in the world,This set of players won't win a title. Makes football a little boring at the moment, fighting for a CL place lost its appeal a long time ago. Finding it very hard to get excited about football right now, there is just nothing to play for.

I don't find it boring because I think we're still developing but if we're just scrapping it out for a Champions League spot in the next half a decade I'd feel the same as you do now. I would say though the gulf in class between Man City and the rest is larger than the gap between the best and the rest in any other top league. They're so far ahead at this point it's untrue, despite constantly hearing how competitive the Premier League is.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46872 on: November 6, 2017, 10:27:19 am »
Footballs getting a bit shit in general lads, but we're all just too far in to give it up now.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46873 on: November 6, 2017, 10:52:27 am »
Spurs are better than both of us, they're guaranteed top 4 this season, not something we can say about either of us.
The quicker Ozil leaves on a free the better, minute I saw him on the team sheet I knew wed lost. A proper manager would pick him against the Everton's and drop him against the Man citys. The player we insist on dropping every big away game is Lacazette, no idea how Wenger came up with this ridiculous idea.
City are actually not that great, any decent team that waits long enough will get plenty of gifts from us, we have some right average players down the spine of our team, I can see them hitting a wall at some stage, but it wont matter, no one below them is good enough to capitalise.

Yup. City and Spurs will be there for sure. Us, Arsenal, Chelsea and United to battle for the remaining two places. It would be beautiful if the two teams missing out are Chelsea and United.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46874 on: November 6, 2017, 11:05:48 am »
Yup. City and Spurs will be there for sure. Us, Arsenal, Chelsea and United to battle for the remaining two places. It would be beautiful if the two teams missing out are Chelsea and United.

We'll see

Right now the only guarantee in that top four I'd say is City.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46875 on: November 6, 2017, 11:41:13 am »
I don't find it boring because I think we're still developing but if we're just scrapping it out for a Champions League spot in the next half a decade I'd feel the same as you do now. I would say though the gulf in class between Man City and the rest is larger than the gap between the best and the rest in any other top league. They're so far ahead at this point it's untrue, despite constantly hearing how competitive the Premier League is.
City will hit a slump. Probably still win the league, but they wont romp it, have they done the wet Tuesday night at stoke yet?
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46876 on: November 10, 2017, 11:12:26 am »
Agree that City will most likely win it now....wasn't so sure in pre-season cos thought maybe the amount of players they bought could need time to settle....

Nope. They're on it. Will probably have a wobble but won't be caught...

Anyone can make the rest of the places in top 3...even Arsenal. They aren't going for Europa really judging by the teams they're putting out so who knows if concentrating on the league they keep on beating the weak teams (which they're generally excellent at doing) and maybe grab a couple results against top 6 they could make it. Need to sort the away form tho.

I personally don't think they will but wouldn't rule them out....
If we get the same consistency they did in terms of achieving a top 4 place year in year out then i'll be happy....but I'd defo be hoping for further improvements towards winning the damned title, including proper runs at it or would become disillusioned like many Arsenal fans now for sure
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46877 on: November 10, 2017, 11:20:19 am »
I think with ourselves, we can see a path of what we need to do in order to bridge the gap to the very top teams. I think whether we get top 4 this season will depend on if we can keep up our goalscoring.

Arsenal are a weird one. Even with the team they've got now, they're gonna start next season a step or two further back. They're gonna have to do a hell of a lot of business next summer to get back amongst things, something the Arsenal board haven't done for a long time.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46878 on: November 10, 2017, 12:05:51 pm »
Arsenal are so unique in that I believe Wenger could turn things round for them if he massively changes his attitude to spending and rotation (lacazette benched!) But if he carries on and they slumped to mid-bottom half of the table he absaloutly will not be removed. Having the knowledge that he can do what be likes and suffer no consequence must affect his judgement.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread
« Reply #46879 on: November 15, 2017, 04:46:58 pm »
looks like Borussia Dortmund head scout Sven Mislintat could soon be on his way to arsenal according to Kicker, with talks at an advanced stage.