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Motty · « **Reply #32200 on:** August 8, 2019, 09:39:01 pm »

Quote from: fucking appalled on August 8, 2019, 07:06:52 pm

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Peabee · « **Reply #32201 on:** August 8, 2019, 09:39:08 pm »

Quote from: tonysleft on August 8, 2019, 09:28:44 pm

Lukaku is shit so his numbers aren't irreplaceable thankfully, our top 6 fight is on

Lukaku is a great striker. If Solskjaer got him back in form, he could have made a massive difference with his goals.

Lush is the best medicine... · « **Reply #32202 on:** August 8, 2019, 09:42:20 pm »

Quote from: Passmaster Molby on August 8, 2019, 06:04:32 pm

I am beginning to think Woodward is either a City or Liverpool fan.

hes a Liverpool fan

Linudden · « **Reply #32203 on:** August 8, 2019, 09:42:45 pm »

There's no doubt for me that a motivated and appreciated Lukaku in the right role is one of the ten best centre forwards in the world. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he smashed in 25 goals at least for Inter this season while United go into complete desert drought mode up front, since let's face it, Rashford is an inferior goal scorer to what Lukaku is.

If Inter manage to keep Icardi on board, those two should be a rather lethal pairing up front, complementing one another to the brink. Conte may well have played a blinder in taking advantage of Solskjaer's rather naïve faith in that Rashford is going to have an explosive development here.

Felch Aid · « **Reply #32204 on:** August 8, 2019, 09:56:20 pm »

Mckola on full time devils in full rant mode at the usual suspects but loses any credibility when he says the new back 5 of AWB, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw and De Gea is the best in the league.

They simply aren't an attractive club and a manager who is untested at elite level.

Pogba definitely leaves next year leaving even more problems despite his average performances.

Linudden · « **Reply #32205 on:** August 8, 2019, 10:00:39 pm »

Quote from: Felch Aid on August 8, 2019, 09:56:20 pm

Mckola on full time devils in full rant mode at the usual suspects but loses any credibility when he says the new back 5 of AWB, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw and De Gea is the best in the league.

Until you try and play that back five high with de Gea as sweeper keeper

thaddeus · « **Reply #32206 on:** August 8, 2019, 10:18:15 pm »

Quote from: Peabee on August 8, 2019, 09:39:08 pm

Lukaku is a great striker. If Solskjaer got him back in form, he could have made a massive difference with his goals.

26 goals in his last 25 international appearances. I dare say nobody has a better record over the past three years!

He was poorly advised to start bodybuilding when his threat was always isolating defenders 1v1, getting half a yard on them and finishing well off either foot. His first touch is really nowhere near the standard for a target man type of forward and putting on loads of muscle was never going to change that.

Clearly not what Ole wanted for his long-ball-over-the-top football and being played as a right winger to accomodate Rashford down the middle was bizarre.

I fully expect him to be top scorer in Serie A and no United player to get above 20 goals in all competitions.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #32207 on:** August 8, 2019, 10:25:56 pm »

Among football fans Lukaku is one of the most underrated players in Europe I think. 113 Premier League goals in 252 games and he's only ever played for bum football clubs. To put it into context among players with 100 PL goals his goals to games ratio is superior to the likes of Fowler, Rooney and Drogba amongst many more. He's achieved something only 28 players ever have. No Man United fan should be happy to see him go, they've shipped out one of the finest goalscorers around approaching his best years because they had shit managers that didn't get the best out of him. Another example of their idiocy.

soxfan · « **Reply #32208 on:** August 8, 2019, 10:27:10 pm »

Quote from: DonkeyWan on August 8, 2019, 08:52:56 pm

Lukaku was their second leading goal scorer last season (15) after Pogba (16).

How many non-pen goals did each have? Wasn't Pogba the main pen taker? (I don't know personally)

PaulF · « **Reply #32209 on:** August 8, 2019, 10:35:12 pm »

£75m a fair price?

Zlen · « **Reply #32210 on:** August 8, 2019, 10:42:03 pm »

Wow. Can’t believe they sold their best striker and not replaced him. This will be another entertaining season.

newterp · « **Reply #32211 on:** August 8, 2019, 10:46:14 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on August 8, 2019, 10:35:12 pm

£75m a fair price?

For Lukaku?

They got 60m + 12m maybe minus 5 to Everton.

PaulF · « **Reply #32212 on:** August 8, 2019, 10:52:15 pm »

Quote from: newterp on August 8, 2019, 10:46:14 pm

For Lukaku?

They got 60m + 12m maybe minus 5 to Everton.

Good point. Still, if he regains form it's a good price for inter. If not it's a good price for United.

Dazzer23 · « **Reply #32213 on:** August 8, 2019, 10:54:16 pm »

Quote from: tonysleft on August 8, 2019, 05:00:04 pm

I guess

--------------DDG
AWB--Maguire--Lindelof--Shaw
------------Matic---------------
------Pogba------McTominay
-Lingard---Rashford---Martial

Still pretty much the richest club in the world. Along with City they've spent 3 times more than anyone else over the last 5 years

And they end up with this... How does that happen?!

I'm honestly genuinely bemused.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #32214 on:** August 8, 2019, 10:56:25 pm »

Did De Gea ever sign that new contract?

I lost track...

Dim Glas · « **Reply #32215 on:** August 8, 2019, 11:01:55 pm »

Quote from: Tepid T₂O on August 8, 2019, 10:56:25 pm

Did De Gea ever sign that new contract?

I lost track...

not yet. Couple weeks ago it was widely reported that he was set to sign a six year deal, worth £117 million, but I dont' think they ever announced he'd signed.

soxfan · « **Reply #32216 on:** August 8, 2019, 11:10:46 pm »

Quote from: Dazzer23 on August 8, 2019, 10:54:16 pm

Still pretty much the richest club in the world. Along with City they've spent 3 times more than anyone else over the last 5 years

And they end up with this... How does that happen?!

I'm honestly genuinely bemused.

No legitimate director of football. No sharing of vision between the manager and DOF. Churning of managers with different views on how a team should be constructed.

It's a shame.

DonkeyWan · « **Reply #32217 on:** August 9, 2019, 12:01:50 am »

Quote from: tonysleft on August 8, 2019, 09:28:44 pm

Lukaku is shit so his numbers aren't irreplaceable thankfully, our top 6 fight is on

Lukaku scored 20+ a season fro three seasons running at Everton.

He then went to United, where Mourinho decided his pre-season training should involve eating as many pies as he could in 6 weeks. He scored 27 goals. United finished 2nd that season (behind Moneybags Mc spendalots) having finished 7th, 4th, 5th and 6th in previous seasons.

Last season, after the team came 2nd they rewarded the manager by not buying the CBs he wanted, like Harry Maguire. United started the season poorly and they brought in Jon Pertwee to see if he couldn't use his Dr Who skills to bring United back in time to when they were great. Seth Rogan gave one look at Lukaku and decided he wasn't Andy Cole and therefore there was no point to him. United go on a crazy run of games, as the players were run into the ground by the manager (and they fortuitously played a lock of middle to bottom sides). This period somehow persuaded the United fans that Lukaku was indeed shit and Rashford and Marial (though not as effective) clearly superior.

So Lukaku gets ostracised and pushed toward the door (but still manages to score 15 goals last season, which is pretty respectable). Just as the legs are about to fall off his team, OGS gets the biggest contract ever. He responds to this show of faith by leading his team to 8 points in 9 games, relegation form and ends up in 6th when a CL spot was on. He then decides that, indeed, Mourinho was right, they do need defenders and ends up buying... Harry Maguire. To finance this United sell Lukaku, their second top goal scorer and replace him with... oh!

Lukaku has got a rum deal here, but so have plenty of other United managers. Players a re brought in for a specific purpose and style, the manager gets shot for not being Alex Ferguson and the players he brought in also get shipped out. Its insanity. Don't blame Lukaku for the shitty direction at the top of your club.

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #32218 on:** August 9, 2019, 12:16:38 am »

Quote from: thaddeus on August 8, 2019, 10:18:15 pm

26 goals in his last 25 international appearances. I dare say nobody has a better record over the past three years!

He was poorly advised to start bodybuilding when his threat was always isolating defenders 1v1, getting half a yard on them and finishing well off either foot. His first touch is really nowhere near the standard for a target man type of forward and putting on loads of muscle was never going to change that.

Clearly not what Ole wanted for his long-ball-over-the-top football and being played as a right winger to accomodate Rashford down the middle was bizarre.

I fully expect him to be top scorer in Serie A and no United player to get above 20 goals in all competitions.

Not sure "bodybuilding" was any sort of detriment.

Also not sure that "touch" and "traditional target man" ever really went together, either

Bobinhood · « **Reply #32219 on:** August 9, 2019, 01:04:56 am »

Beans.

Beans Beans Beans.

Going down.

4pool · « **Reply #32220 on:** August 9, 2019, 01:27:40 am »

Chelsea on Sunday.

Could be interesting times for Ole' and his wheel should they lose.

JovaJova · « **Reply #32221 on:** August 9, 2019, 02:36:30 am »

Quote from: Dazzer23 on August 8, 2019, 10:54:16 pm

Still pretty much the richest club in the world. Along with City they've spent 3 times more than anyone else over the last 5 years

And they end up with this... How does that happen?!

I'm honestly genuinely bemused.

Pretty much everyone they have signed has been a failure. It’s quite remarkable.

Don’t think 80m Harry Maguire will be bucking that trend.

afc tukrish · « **Reply #32222 on:** August 9, 2019, 03:27:15 am »

Quote from: JovaJova on August 9, 2019, 02:36:30 am

Pretty much everyone they have signed has been a failure. It’s quite remarkable.

Don’t think 80m Harry Maguire will be bucking that trend.

Might be butting the trend, though...

mercury · « **Reply #32223 on:** August 9, 2019, 03:40:46 am »

Let them get 6th this season, which hopefully would keep Woodword's seat

ScouserAtHeart · « **Reply #32224 on:** August 9, 2019, 04:09:56 am »

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Don't forget we had an awful first few months last season when the players practically stopped playing for Jose. That alone cost us at least 10 points, plus we've made big changes to our defense this year, which could claw back another maybe 10-15 points. Going by that we should comfortably get into the top 4 this year

Flaccido Dongingo · « **Reply #32225 on:** August 9, 2019, 04:56:14 am »

I'm in love with their entitlement, the amount of waah waah waah really is glorious.

Agent99 · « **Reply #32226 on:** August 9, 2019, 06:07:59 am »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49282584

Let's get this really important position sorted after the transfer window

Crimson · « **Reply #32227 on:** August 9, 2019, 07:01:33 am »

So who have they got on top now? Rashford, Martial and that Greenwood fella? Honestly cannot remember how their first elleven will look like..

ScouserAtHeart · « **Reply #32228 on:** August 9, 2019, 07:09:54 am »

Quote from: Crimson on August 9, 2019, 07:01:33 am

So who have they got on top now? Rashford, Martial and that Greenwood fella? Honestly cannot remember how their first elleven will look like..

Have you forgotten JLingz?? How dare you.

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #32229 on:** August 9, 2019, 08:39:05 am »

TepidT2O · « **Reply #32230 on:** August 9, 2019, 08:44:17 am »

Who is their best player?

I couldn’t tell you. Pogba maybe? He only turns up when he wants and has been very clear (on his personal preseason tour of China for example

) that he wants to leave the club.

Who else? Rashford? Doesn’t score many goals for a centre forward does he?

Would be rather depressing being a Manchester United fan right now.

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #32231 on:** August 9, 2019, 08:45:04 am »

Got to be the worst team they've had since Ferguson took charge.

They are spending huge amounts of money just to stand still!

TepidT2O · « **Reply #32232 on:** August 9, 2019, 08:49:41 am »

And Woodward?

He botches transfer after transfer after transfer.

They are beyond slow in the market and despite huge wealth fail to close even simple deals.

Complex deals never happen. Love it.

ScouserAtHeart · « **Reply #32233 on:** August 9, 2019, 09:30:40 am »

Quote from: Red-Soldier on August 9, 2019, 08:45:04 am

Got to be the worst team they've had since Ferguson took charge.

They are spending huge amounts of money just to stand still!

They wish they were standing still

TepidT2O · « **Reply #32234 on:** August 9, 2019, 10:06:26 am »

And I love that there was a bounce when Maureen left.

The players became crushed by his mind games and were freed when he left. It showed in the way they played, but the good coaching he brought to the club stayed with them.

It seems to be agreed that it takes three or so months for a new manager to impose themselves on a squad... and what happened after three months?

The wheels fall off. They go to shit. That’s Solskjaer’s coaching coming through. That’s his impact on the squad.

Personally, I hope he has them in 4th until the last game of the season, as this keeps them weak. Let’s hope he doesn’t get sacked by Christmas...

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #32235 on:** August 9, 2019, 10:12:14 am »

Quote from: ScouserAtHeart on August 9, 2019, 09:30:40 am

They wish they were standing still

Well I can't see them finishing any higher than 6th this season.

Schmidt · « **Reply #32236 on:** August 9, 2019, 10:17:58 am »

Quote from: Tepid T₂O on August 9, 2019, 10:06:26 am

And I love that there was a bounce when Maureen left.

The players became crushed by his mind games and were freed when he left. It showed in the way they played, but the good coaching he brought to the club stayed with them.

It seems to be agreed that it takes three or so months for a new manager to impose themselves on a squad... and what happened after three months?

The wheels fall off. They go to shit. That’s Solskjaer’s coaching coming through. That’s his impact on the squad.

Personally, I hope he has them in 4th until the last game of the season, as this keeps them weak. Let’s hope he doesn’t get sacked by Christmas...

It could get even worse for them now that they've been on a break and then been put through preseason by him, if they haven't prepared properly they could struggle plenty.

Sudden Death Draft Loser · « **Reply #32237 on:** August 9, 2019, 10:18:35 am »

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Manchester United are going back to their roots. I like it.

The message coming out of the club is that the manager sees player like Tuanzebe as stepping up and coming in as the number four defender.

My biggest surprise is that they haven't got more out.

Another myth to go along with the "United way"

rob1966 · « **Reply #32238 on:** August 9, 2019, 10:48:27 am »

Quote from: Tepid T₂O on August 9, 2019, 10:06:26 am

And I love that there was a bounce when Maureen left.

The players became crushed by his mind games and were freed when he left. It showed in the way they played, but the good coaching he brought to the club stayed with them.

It seems to be agreed that it takes three or so months for a new manager to impose themselves on a squad... and what happened after three months?

The wheels fall off. They go to shit. That’s Solskjaer’s coaching coming through. That’s his impact on the squad.

Personally, I hope he has them in 4th until the last game of the season, as this keeps them weak. Let’s hope he doesn’t get sacked by Christmas...

They were crowing about his record breaking start, winning 14 of 19 - this is from 11th March games.https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/premier-league-stats-show-united-have-gained-most-points-since-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-was-appointed

5 days after this, they were dumped out of the FA Cup by Wolves. In the remaining 8 league games after he was apppointed, they took 8 pts and went out of the CL to Barca.

Its brilliant

SamAteTheRedAcid · « **Reply #32239 on:** August 9, 2019, 10:57:30 am »

Quote from: rob1966 on August 9, 2019, 10:48:27 am

They were crowing about his record breaking start, winning 14 of 19 - this is from 11th March games.https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/premier-league-stats-show-united-have-gained-most-points-since-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-was-appointed

5 days after this, they were dumped out of the FA Cup by Wolves. In the remaining 8 league games after he was apppointed, they took 8 pts and went out of the CL to Barca.

Its brilliant

The list of opponents from that run is utter shite. Spurs were wobbling badly in the league and we had a misfiring game. Apart from that, they tonked a load of cloggers and fooled each other.