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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4120 on: January 17, 2019, 11:12:10 pm »


Similar thing happened to me when I watched the Sopranos first time round.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4121 on: January 18, 2019, 07:23:55 am »
Been a few years since I've watched so decided to have a binge, I've reached season 4 and I'm now finding it a drain to watch. Not for the quality, rather the subject matter which is so brilliantly immersive to the point it feels suffocating. I've inadvertently started to use Baltimore mannerisms in my day to day, must come across like a tit. ;D
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4122 on: January 18, 2019, 08:30:39 am »
Been a few years since I've watched so decided to have a binge, I've reached season 4 and I'm now finding it a drain to watch. Not for the quality, rather the subject matter which is so brilliantly immersive to the point it feels suffocating. I've inadvertently started to use Baltimore mannerisms in my day to day, must come across like a tit. ;D

Oh indeed.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4123 on: January 18, 2019, 09:10:44 am »
Never finished season 5. Loved it up until then but the first couple of episodes in season 5 bored me.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4124 on: January 18, 2019, 12:45:44 pm »
Never finished season 5. Loved it up until then but the first couple of episodes in season 5 bored me.

Blasphemy. I rewatched recently and while Season 5 was a drop in quality, it wasn't as bad as I remembered because the last few, especially the very last episode are really strong I think.
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4125 on: January 18, 2019, 01:17:25 pm »
Blasphemy. I rewatched recently and while Season 5 was a drop in quality, it wasn't as bad as I remembered because the last few, especially the very last episode are really strong I think.

True that...

To watch The Wire without that last episode to really drive home the hopelessness of it all, is a bit of a travesty.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4126 on: January 18, 2019, 01:31:21 pm »
True that...

To watch The Wire without that last episode to really drive home the hopelessness of it all, is a bit of a travesty.
I watched The Wire through three times, but I've never seen the last episode. Never want it to end ;D Also, like knowing you'll never see a new episode of it, I'm keeping it in reserve.
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4127 on: January 18, 2019, 01:32:54 pm »
I watched The Wire through three times, but I've never seen the last episode. Never want it to end ;D Also, like knowing you'll never see a new episode of it, I'm keeping it in reserve.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4128 on: January 18, 2019, 02:35:25 pm »
This is madness.

Just like I've read every book of Steinbeck's apart from the Grapes of Wrath...got to keep one in reserve for retirement.

Most of the main plot threads are already tied up in The Wire anyway.
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4129 on: January 20, 2019, 11:06:02 pm »
Just like I've read every book of Steinbeck's apart from the Grapes of Wrath...got to keep one in reserve for retirement.

Most of the main plot threads are already tied up in The Wire anyway.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4130 on: January 20, 2019, 11:11:43 pm »
You're going to look a real tit if you get hit by a bus tomorrow.

I’ll be dead and not giving a fuck.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4131 on: January 21, 2019, 12:48:16 am »
Same for me with the Sopranos ;D

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4132 on: January 21, 2019, 01:03:39 am »
Gonna start rewatching this soon, first real binge watched show for me and remains top the pile. Hope it holds up yo.
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4133 on: January 21, 2019, 05:02:08 pm »
Ey yo waddup Bird, one of my favourite scenes

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4134 on: June 30, 2019, 02:13:08 pm »
Just binge watched the lot

Amazing show. Season 5 oddinly jumped the shark though

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4135 on: July 1, 2019, 08:55:52 am »
Just binge watched the lot

Amazing show. Season 5 oddinly jumped the shark though

Hate Herc probably more than Joffrey and Ramsey in GoT because I know he actually exists
You know the best bit about the 5th season. The 'jumped the shark' part was true to life. Happened in real life.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4136 on: July 1, 2019, 09:55:32 am »
Just binge watched the lot

Amazing show. Season 5 oddinly jumped the shark though

Hate Herc probably more than Joffrey and Ramsey in GoT because I know he actually exists

What? Herc? Fuzzy Dunlop!?
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4137 on: July 1, 2019, 10:09:01 am »
Watched the first few episodes the other week and it just didn’t really grab me enough to want to binge it ala Sopranos, Breaking Bad or GOT
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4138 on: July 1, 2019, 02:53:21 pm »
Watched the first few episodes the other week and it just didn’t really grab me enough to want to binge it ala Sopranos, Breaking Bad or GOT
If i'd a £ for everytime I heard that. I didn't really have a problem with it because I was told it would take a while to get into before I had watched it, but was definitely worth it in the in end, something happens midway through season 1 to one of the characters, and by the end of the episode your kinda hooked.

Massive fan (not just a throwaway comment) of both Soprano's and BB, and to be honest, The Wire is in a League of its own. Not surprised at all people bin it off after a few episodes tho, attention spans are ever decreasing, and those first few episodes are very slow indeed
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4139 on: July 1, 2019, 03:19:32 pm »
Watched the first few episodes the other week and it just didn’t really grab me enough to want to binge it ala Sopranos, Breaking Bad or GOT

I did the same the first time. Definitely one of my more stupid choices. I'm lucky I went back to it.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4140 on: July 1, 2019, 03:39:07 pm »
Watched the first few episodes the other week and it just didn’t really grab me enough to want to binge it ala Sopranos, Breaking Bad or GOT

Yep done that one myself and went back and loved it.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4141 on: July 1, 2019, 04:53:40 pm »
Just had a look and I think I got to very near to the end of season 3 before i got distracted and never went back

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Sure I got to a bit when Stringer was arranging to stitch Avon up.  Sure i remember Stringer having a conversation with someone on a construction site somewhere about getting rid of Avon.
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I believe series 4 was the best so I probably need to pick this up again

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4142 on: July 1, 2019, 06:21:03 pm »
What? Herc? Fuzzy Dunlop!?

Yep sneaky get to the top by any means necessary tosser

His very last act literally tripled my hate for him though.
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4143 on: July 1, 2019, 06:30:52 pm »
You know the best bit about the 5th season. The 'jumped the shark' part was true to life. Happened in real life.

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that’s fucked. But even so it just felt out of whack even with McNultys maverick ways. To say nothing of child toy carving Freamon ;D. They way they ended Omar made me more furious than anything GOT threw at us aswell
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4144 on: July 1, 2019, 08:44:06 pm »
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that’s fucked. But even so it just felt out of whack even with McNultys maverick ways. To say nothing of child toy carving Freamon ;D. They way they ended Omar made me more furious than anything GOT threw at us aswell
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4145 on: July 1, 2019, 09:51:17 pm »
Watched the first few episodes the other week and it just didn’t really grab me enough to want to binge it ala Sopranos, Breaking Bad or GOT

The Wire
Breaking Bad

Large gap

Got
Sopranos

Stick with it. Its the best ever.
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4146 on: July 2, 2019, 03:11:26 pm »
To echo what others have said, persist with it.

What makes it the best programme for me, over and above The Sopranos and Breaking Bad, is that it is so much more expansive in what it is taking on. The Sopranos and Breaking Bad might top it for individual character development and study, but The Wire is thoroughly educational on a whole range of political, economic and social issues. Nor does it necessarily feel tied into making individual story arcs where everything neatly (and implausibly) fits. The city itself is the most important character over and above any individual.
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4147 on: July 2, 2019, 04:49:48 pm »
It's just amazing it really is. It's not like a TV show it's like having a series of web cams set up on specific locations, Like the ghetto parts, court houses, police stations, prisons etc etc. It feels that real.

The characters are phenomenal! Brodie, the cops, The Mayor, Wallace all of them are great! The fact that the writer had to keep bailing out Snoop because she kept getting locked up just adds to it.

I don't care what Tv shows are made in the future there will never ever be a show like this. After watching it I spent hours on Google maps street view just going through the streets of Baltimore  ;D

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4148 on: July 2, 2019, 04:56:46 pm »
The Wire
Breaking Bad

Large gap

Got
Sopranos

Stick with it. Its the best ever.

Sopranos is better than Breaking Bad by a country distance. And id rather watch repeats of Keeping up Appearances than watch five minutes of dragon rubbish

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4149 on: July 2, 2019, 06:56:56 pm »
Sopranos is better than Breaking Bad by a country distance. And id rather watch repeats of Keeping up Appearances than watch five minutes of dragon rubbish

At least we agree on number 1.

And maybe I said GOT because it's fresh in the mind ;D but BB over Sopranos for me personally.
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4150 on: July 2, 2019, 09:52:06 pm »
The Wire
Breaking Bad

Large gap

Got
Sopranos

Better Call Saul is above the gap. Got, I've never watched but I mean, dragons. Really.

Northern Exposure tops the lot, naturally.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4151 on: July 2, 2019, 11:48:38 pm »
Better Call Saul is above the gap. Got, I've never watched but I mean, dragons. Really

Oh, really my friend. I would say just watch but you sound like you’re unable to suspend disbelief too far. Which must leave you pretty fucked for stuff ;D

My sisters the same, but worse, watches only things that have happened. Simply does not have fantasy in her

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4152 on: July 3, 2019, 12:55:24 am »
I like fantasy stuff. I even read the first few GOT books after loving the first series. But there is no way GOT even comes close to matching The Wire, The Sopranos or even Breaking Bad in terms of quality of acting, script, dialogue or really anything bar special effects and characters being randomly killed off.

Massively overhyped if you ask me, to the extent where I haven't even bothered to watch the last series and have no pressing desire to (I've decided to re-watch The Sopranos instead!). I have no problem with dragons. But do have a problem with cheap story writing and everything that goes with it.

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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4153 on: July 3, 2019, 03:21:36 am »
It's just amazing it really is. It's not like a TV show it's like having a series of web cams set up on specific locations, Like the ghetto parts, court houses, police stations, prisons etc etc. It feels that real.

The characters are phenomenal! Brodie, the cops, The Mayor, Wallace all of them are great! The fact that the writer had to keep bailing out Snoop because she kept getting locked up just adds to it.

I don't care what Tv shows are made in the future there will never ever be a show like this. After watching it I spent hours on Google maps street view just going through the streets of Baltimore  ;D

 Yeah, I've read several things about the level of realism of the show.  Couple of interesting pieces:

 https://www.theverge.com/2015/4/12/8395529/the-wire-was-asked-to-remove-details-about-avoiding-wiretaps

https://hls.harvard.edu/academics/curriculum/catalog/index.html?o=64609

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2016/10/24/the-wires-david-simon-on-the-drug-war-and-why-he-hates-cops-and-law-order/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8218b45618d0

It's all personal opinion, but for me it's the best tv show ever made.  I don't know if there will "never ever be a show like this" again, but it definitely stands apart from almost anything else to date in my view.  I think that the comparisons to the great Russian novels that have been made are certainly apt, from the characterisations to the overall, broad-reaching structure of the programme. 

What is interesting is that in all the talks of great/best tv shows in this thread - and given that it's centered on The Wire in particular - is that nobody has mentioned David Simon's other show, Homicide:Life on the street, which I feel is also exceptional and should be a contender amongst Game of Thrones and the like.
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« Reply #4154 on: July 3, 2019, 09:51:37 am »
nobody has mentioned David Simon's other show, Homicide:Life on the street, which I feel is also exceptional and should be a contender amongst Game of Thrones and the like.

Yup, absolute quality.

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« Reply #4156 on: July 3, 2019, 11:29:04 am »
'The Corner' is also brilliant.
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« Reply #4157 on: July 3, 2019, 11:45:58 am »
The Wire for me is the greatest of all time. Better than any TV show or film I've seen or any book I've read.
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« Reply #4158 on: July 3, 2019, 12:01:51 pm »
Best drama TV ever. I still struggle to get people to get into it as it's got no 'wow' factor. When I watch it on the occasion that a re-run episode is on, I always get the feeling that it wasn't made, it just happened. It's as if someone turned a couple of cameras in Baltimore in 2002 and all of the characters came out of each corner of society. The docks, ghettos, government, police, media and education.

As mentioned above David Simon's 'Homicide:Life on the Street' is a cracking show. As is the producer of that show Tom Fontana's Oz. The amount of actors that crossed through Homicide, Oz, The Wire and Law & Order is amazing.
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Re: The Wire for Newbies and Those Still Watching... No spoilers
« Reply #4159 on: July 3, 2019, 01:54:19 pm »
Watched the first few episodes the other week and it just didn’t really grab me enough to want to binge it ala Sopranos, Breaking Bad or GOT

Just to echo everyone else. Stick with it. I first watched The Wire when LoveFilm was still a thing. The first 4 episodes were sent out to me. I watched the first, took about a fortnight to watch the second, and a similar bit of time until the 3rd. There were two specific moments that I recall as the first occasions when I thought "this is f*cking brilliant". I think it's the third episode that closes out with a series of scenes of happenings across Baltimore with phone calls being made back and forth between various characters. In between this you see the wiretap machine just beeping away recording all the incoming/outgoing calls. No exposition or awkward dialogue from characters explaining what you're seeing. Just the realisation that everything is there. Then... fade to black. That was when I immediately put the next episode on and was hooked. To see the discovery, to see how it plays out. To see if they figure it out.

The other moment was the murder scene investigation with Bunk and McNulty. An entire scene, an entire investigation with the whole survey, digging for detail, problem solving, solution finding and reveal being acted out with no dialogue other than variations of "FUCK". And some brilliant visual acting.

For me, the hype is real. There's a HUGE gap under The Wire. Nothing comes close.

I could write/talk for ages about the layered characters, brilliant scenes, funny moments, hilarious comments, social commentary etc. It's just fucking superb. Plus, I've never really got the criticism of season 5, maybe it doesn't hit the same heights of the others, but it's still better than pretty much every other show has put out.