Topic: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE

[redbyrdz]

this governments problem throughout the whole crisis is it reacts to situations when it's too late to do anything about it without resorting to more extreme measures to control the spread.

I doubt there'll be another lockdown but I suspect Plan B will be fully implemented within the next month, had they not been so gung ho and kept some of the restrictions such as mandatory mask wearing and working from home then the cases may not have taken off with such gusto.

That said, Scotland and Wales kept mask wearing (routinely ignored by some now though) and the work from home if you can rule and cases there and here have been as bad as England in some areas.

It is what it is but the government are acting like it's a gone away and it's all OK now when it clearly isn't,some leads ship would be nice for a change

It's fucking nuts, they are against "planning" for anything. "A plan B is not needed at this stage and hasn't been discussed hy the cabinet". Why the fuck won't they even make a plan? There was similar fear of planning over Brexit. Surely having a plan im case you need it is better than not having one at all?!

Also Kwarteng said "our approach is working"  with cases over 40000. So you do want to get us all ill?

[PaulF]

Problem is they leave it until things are really dire and then we need more restrictions and for longer than if pre-emptive measures had been made.

December-February will be dire if they don't really start blitzing the boosters/flu jabs/teenage vaccinations and take some pre-emptive measures like a two week half term/work from home advice/masks on public transport. Otherwise we just wait till the shit hits the fan and lockdown again in December.

Why are they so afraid of re-introducing basic measures? Surely it's easy to get it out there. Masks in public places, 2m in shops. Work from home. Start it over half term and hopefully that's the only changes needed.  If we don't do this we may have to shut pubs and cinemas back down and bring back lockdowns for Christmas.   (That's the message they can use, probably the reality).

Is there a bigger picture I'm missing?

[Red_Mist]

Why are they so afraid of re-introducing basic measures? Surely it's easy to get it out there. Masks in public places, 2m in shops. Work from home. Start it over half term and hopefully that's the only changes needed.  If we don't do this we may have to shut pubs and cinemas back down and bring back lockdowns for Christmas.   (That's the message they can use, probably the reality).

Is there a bigger picture I'm missing?

It wouldn’t take much would it. Nobody’s “freedoms” would be affected. In fact, the opposite as it would hopefully avoid lockdowns, as you say.

[Nick110581]

Why are they so afraid of re-introducing basic measures? Surely it's easy to get it out there. Masks in public places, 2m in shops. Work from home. Start it over half term and hopefully that's the only changes needed.  If we don't do this we may have to shut pubs and cinemas back down and bring back lockdowns for Christmas.   (That's the message they can use, probably the reality).

Is there a bigger picture I'm missing?

Exactly right.

Johnson will be too busy ignoring or getting pissed on holiday to even care.

You have to remember that the rules that will be introduced (too late) won't be followed by him and his cronies so they don't give a fuck.

[stoa]

The whole eagerness to get rid off masks is something I don't understand. Masks should be the last things to go in my opinion at least in places where you can't guarantee that someone has recovered from covid, is vaccinated or tested. It was the same here in Austria. At the end of summer they wanted to get rid off mask wearing, but when the numbers went up again they were forced to re-introduce parts of the earlier rules making them more complicated with exceptions for vaccinated people. So most are still wearing them in the usual places...

[Commie Bobbie]

Snatching Defeat From The Jaws Of Victory.

Again.

[Kashinoda]

A lot of hyperbole here.

The increase in numbers has almost been exclusively from school children, who we've only just started vaccinating. Elsewhere the numbers have been flat. Unless there's been an incredible trend change in the last week or so, that's it.

[Red_Mist]

It’s not hyperbole to suggest a bit of mask wearing in public places. I’d understand if everyone was going hysterical and calling for a lockdown again, but nobody’s doing that. Heading into winter with hospitalisations increasing is a sensible time to introduce some small measures that might help.

10% increase in hospital admissions with COVID. You can say “it’s just kids” all you like, but I’m sure NHS staff would have something to say about that.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[stoa]

It’s not hyperbole to suggest a bit of mask wearing in public places. I’d understand if everyone was going hysterical and calling for a lockdown again, but nobody’s doing that. Heading into winter with hospitalisations increasing is a sensible time to introduce some small measures that might help.

10% increase in hospital admissions with COVID. You can say “it’s just kids” all you like, but I’m sure NHS staff would have something to say about that.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

With a vaccination-rate of 60 or even more in most European countries, lockdowns are off the table in my view unless somehow a country ends up in a situation, where people are dying in hospital floors or emergency treatment of other injuries or illnesses becomes impossible. People kind of saw the point of lockdowns when there were no vaccinations available and absolutely zero protection against the virus or a severe case of Covid-19. They've been told that the vaccinations are a way out of the pandemic and they won't want to give up their newly gained "freedom". Especially not, when more than half of the people in the country have protection from the vaccines.

[Red_Mist]

With a vaccination-rate of 60 or even more in most European countries, lockdowns are off the table in my view unless somehow a country ends up in a situation, where people are dying in hospital floors or emergency treatment of other injuries or illnesses becomes impossible. People kind of saw the point of lockdowns when there were no vaccinations available and absolutely zero protection against the virus or a severe case of Covid-19. They've been told that the vaccinations are a way out of the pandemic and they won't want to give up their newly gained "freedom". Especially not, when more than half of the people in the country have protection from the vaccines.

I agree. When I said “I’d understand” I meant I’d understand Kash calling it hyperbole if….etc.

[filopastry]

Annoyingly my J&J 2 dose trial has confirmed that people in the trial who got 2 doses of J&J will not receive a booster in the trial, as J&J view the second dose as the booster (which is a bit of a nonsense as J&J should always have been a 2 dose vaccine in my opinion)

So unfortunately I am now stuck with an 8 and a half month old second dose of the vaccine and no booster eligiblity as I am one year outside the cut off for risk groups.

I really think at some stage in the future it should be opened up to lower age groups (at least 6 months post second dose) even if they have to pay for it as people do with the flu jab every winter, given we don't appear to be short of supply at present, not helped by the fact that booster jabs and jabs for younger groups don't seem to be flying out the doors

[RainbowFlick]

With a vaccination-rate of 60 or even more in most European countries, lockdowns are off the table in my view unless somehow a country ends up in a situation, where people are dying in hospital floors or emergency treatment of other injuries or illnesses becomes impossible. People kind of saw the point of lockdowns when there were no vaccinations available and absolutely zero protection against the virus or a severe case of Covid-19. They've been told that the vaccinations are a way out of the pandemic and they won't want to give up their newly gained "freedom". Especially not, when more than half of the people in the country have protection from the vaccines.

I think the problem is is that some people view any restrictions to be a 'lockdown'. I think restrictions like requirements of masks, reduced capacities (if appropriate) and work from home recommendations (if possible) are perfectly sensible and not draconian at all, even if it means some of us have to miss the football as shite as that might be (although I would suggest that's a last resort).

[jonnypb]

I think the problem is is that some people view any restrictions to be a 'lockdown'. I think restrictions like requirements of masks, reduced capacities (if appropriate) and work from home recommendations (if possible) are perfectly sensible and not draconian at all, even if it means some of us have to miss the football as shite as that might be (although I would suggest that's a last resort).

Totally agree, adding things back like mask wearing indoors, working from home are more than sensible.  I'd rather they reintroduced minor restrictions now, rather than wait for it to get out of hand (If it does) and then have to bring in more restrictive measures in a couple of months.

There's plenty of noise being made and the government has been given a lot of advice from scientists and NHS health professionals about reintroducing measures to avoid a winter crisis, surely they can't ignore this again!  The time to act is now, small changes now could make all the difference for the coming winter months.

[The G in Gerrard]

Watched Prime Minister's Questions thinking they'd talk about Covid. Waste of time.

See Russia is implementing a lockdown at the end of the month.

[Indomitable_Carp]

I just went back to the UK for only the second time since Covid started. The mask thing I just don´t get at all. I would say an absolute maximum of 20% of people were wearing them on public transport and in shops. Even in the airport on the way back it was like this - with not even the flight attendants checking our tickets wearing them.

What´s the harm in sticking on a mask in these situations really?

Here in Spain I would say upwards of 20% of people are still wearing them just on the street - even since that was no longer required by law about 6 months back (I think mask wearing is completely excessive on the street by the way - unless it is packed). In shops it is 100%, and on public transport probably 98%.

What´s the go in the UK? Is the conception of "freedom" really that shallow?

[So… Howard Philips]

Totally agree, adding things back like mask wearing indoors, working from home are more than sensible.  I'd rather they reintroduced minor restrictions now, rather than wait for it to get out of hand (If it does) and then have to bring in more restrictive measures in a couple of months.

There's plenty of noise being made and the government has been given a lot of advice from scientists and NHS health professionals about reintroducing measures to avoid a winter crisis, surely they can't ignore this again!  The time to act is now, small changes now could make all the difference for the coming winter months.

Thing is the NHS is already under pressure. My daughter has just come out of the Royal after having her second kidney transplant.The staffing levels compared to her first operation were shockingly low.

On a specialist unit requiring constant care there would be hours between nursing staff coming round, one nurse on night cover etc.

One person's experience I know and the staff shortages may not be due to staff absence due the Covid or being transferred to cover Civid wards but it gives an example of how close to being overrun the NHS is.

[TSC]

Russia shutdown

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/russian-region-runs-out-hospital-beds-covid-19-deaths-hit-record-2021-10-19/

[jonnypb]

Thing is the NHS is already under pressure. My daughter has just come out of the Royal after having her second kidney transplant.The staffing levels compared to her first operation were shockingly low.

On a specialist unit requiring constant care there would be hours between nursing staff coming round, one nurse on night cover etc.

One person's experience I know and the staff shortages may not be due to staff absence due the Covid or being transferred to cover Civid wards but it gives an example of how close to being overrun the NHS is.

Most people seem to know that the NHS is under extreme pressure apart from our inept government.  It's all the more reason for them to do something now, rather than just let things get gradually worse and the NHS can't cope.  Covid aside, there are many other people like your Daughter who needs specialist treatment and they should be given the care that they need in a timely manor.  If the government fail to act now, the waiting lists will just get worse and people will be waiting for treatment which is unacceptable in this day and age.

[Nobby Reserve]

Peter Stefanovic
Imagine if @BBCBreakfast had put this on screen for viewers whilst Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng was saying

“I think our approach is working”

Heaven help us




https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1450713486368071685

[djahern]

With a vaccination-rate of 60 or even more in most European countries, lockdowns are off the table in my view unless somehow a country ends up in a situation, where people are dying in hospital floors or emergency treatment of other injuries or illnesses becomes impossible. People kind of saw the point of lockdowns when there were no vaccinations available and absolutely zero protection against the virus or a severe case of Covid-19. They've been told that the vaccinations are a way out of the pandemic and they won't want to give up their newly gained "freedom". Especially not, when more than half of the people in the country have protection from the vaccines.

Problem is though that 60% vaccination is too low to avoid the need to lockdown unless you do something to mitigate things.

At 60% vaccination and no ongoing mitigation you inevitably end up in a lockdown or with huge mortality and a collapsed hospital system. We'll see it in Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia. Probably Poland, Croatia.

[Wullie160975]

I was on a train last night when the woman on the other side of the carriage said to someone on her phone

"One of my colleagues has COVID, so I'm making sure I'm more careful".

Seems fair until you realise she took her mask off to have that conversation and then put it back on afterwards. If you're that concerned and 'being careful', don't answer the phone and leave your mask on until you get home.

 

[No666]

Annoyingly my J&J 2 dose trial has confirmed that people in the trial who got 2 doses of J&J will not receive a booster in the trial, as J&J view the second dose as the booster (which is a bit of a nonsense as J&J should always have been a 2 dose vaccine in my opinion)

So unfortunately I am now stuck with an 8 and a half month old second dose of the vaccine and no booster eligiblity as I am one year outside the cut off for risk groups.

I really think at some stage in the future it should be opened up to lower age groups (at least 6 months post second dose) even if they have to pay for it as people do with the flu jab every winter, given we don't appear to be short of supply at present, not helped by the fact that booster jabs and jabs for younger groups don't seem to be flying out the doors

One time I'm glad to be over 50, I guess. Does it show both jabs on your NHS record? Mine only shows one (because it was approved as a one-dose vaccine), which means you might be able to go to a walk-in centre and get a 'second' jab, no? My experience is that the staff there know far less about the various vaccines and trials than those in this thread so wouldn't necessarily realise the one dose is supposed to be enough.

[Red-Soldier]

Problem is though that 60% vaccination is too low to avoid the need to lockdown unless you do something to mitigate things.

At 60% vaccination and no ongoing mitigation you inevitably end up in a lockdown or with huge mortality and a collapsed hospital system. We'll see it in Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia. Probably Poland, Croatia.

Eastern Europe has major issues with Anti-Vax propaganda.  I know quite a few people from that part of the world and it's pretty much constant on their social media.  Every single person I know from there has family members who are anti-vaccine too.

[FlashingBlade]

Saw a lad pull his mask down about 8 times to cough so not to get his mask 'wet'....no words good enough really.

[Guz-kop]

Saw a lad pull his mask down about 8 times to cough so not to get his mask 'wet'....no words good enough really.

I can think of one or two

[west_london_red]

Morocco has banned travel to and from Britain, Germany and the Netherlands because of our case rates.

[Crosby Nick]

Morocco has banned travel to and from Britain, Germany and the Netherlands because of our case rates.

Just waiting on Spain to do the same...hoping they wait til after next Wednesday...

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49139 new cases and 179 deaths reported today.

[RainbowFlick]

Order for new antivirals that are subject approval, possibly usable by the end of the year.

https://inews.co.uk/news/sajid-javid-press-conference-covid-drugs-molnupiravir-available-nhs-avoid-plan-b-restrictions-winter-1259879

[Fromola]

Why are they so afraid of re-introducing basic measures? Surely it's easy to get it out there. Masks in public places, 2m in shops. Work from home. Start it over half term and hopefully that's the only changes needed.  If we don't do this we may have to shut pubs and cinemas back down and bring back lockdowns for Christmas.   (That's the message they can use, probably the reality).

Is there a bigger picture I'm missing?

Boris is a coward.

[TSC]

Javid thinks the NHS can cope without reintroducing any Covid control measures.

[Nick110581]

Javid thinks the NHS can cope without reintroducing any Covid control measures.

The public are almost urging them to do something

What a shit government

[RainbowFlick]

Javid thinks the NHS can cope without reintroducing any Covid control measures.

it's very much a press conference of telling the public to do *something* but only if they wish and the government won't tell the public what that something is. truly odd.

[Nick110581]

it's very much a press conference of telling the public to do *something* but only if they wish and the government won't tell the public what that something is. truly odd.

He’s as bad as Hancock

This fucking Government are absolutely incredible

[TSC]

Come back Hancock ffs.  State of this finance guy waffling and hasn’t answered any question yet.

[Libertine]

Javid thinks the NHS can cope without reintroducing any Covid control measures.

Well their judgement has been pretty much flawless so far, so I'm sure that will be true.

[The G in Gerrard]

How he casually mentioned that cases could raise to around 100k per day was shocking.

[jonnypb]

Javid thinks the NHS can cope without reintroducing any Covid control measures.

It’s like when they said wearing face masks will make a huge difference, then why not make it mandatory, rather than leave it up to joe public. This government just gets worse and worse!!

[Nick110581]

It’s all so predictable.

We will get to mid November and then we will be added to red lists in Europe and banned from travel.

Then they will blame the public and add the measures that should of already been in place.

Charlatans.

[TSC]

Genuinely think government live in an alternative reality.  Javid banging on about the ‘progress we’ve made’ on yet another day where new daily cases hit c.50k