Topic: James Bond - No Time To Die (202something)

[gazzalfc]

Currently announcing cast for the new Bond film in Jamaica

So far announced

Returning
Daniel Craig as James Bond
Ralph Fiennes as M
Rory Kinnear as Tanner
Ben Whishaw as Q
Naomie Harris as Moneypenny
Léa Seydoux as Dr Madeleine Swann
Jeffrey Wright as Felix Leiter

New cast
Rami Malek
Dali Benssalah
Billy Magnussen
Ana De Armas
David Dencik
Lashana Lynch

Writers
Neal Purvis, Robert Wade, Scott Z. Burns and Phoebe Waller-Bridge

No title as yet

[ScouserAtHeart]

Ana De Armas

Had a crush on her since Blade Runner

[classycarra]

If it's true to form it's going to be utter shit, especially with Neal Purvis and Robert Wade writing it.

But at least it should look nice with that director, and there's some fun looking new cast members. Maybe the notes from the other two writers could salvage it into fun shit.

Boring Jeffrey Wright and bad at acting boring Naomie Harris returning is a shame, but could be worse

[Agent99]

If it's true to form it's going to be utter shit, especially with Neal Purvis and Robert Wade writing it.

But at least it should look nice with that director, and there's some fun looking new cast members. Maybe the notes from the other two writers could salvage it into fun shit.

Boring Jeffrey Wright and bad at acting boring Naomie Harris returning is a shame, but could be worse

Seydoux was pretty bad in Spectre as well.

[classycarra]

Seydoux was pretty bad in Spectre as well.

True, but I think she can act. Might be wrong. Her part appeared to be written by someone who'd not reached puberty yet though

[Skidder.]

So three writers... is the script completed (and been re-written three times), or are all three going to do a circle-wank over some of the new idea.

Guarantee it'll have one of these: Russia, Afghanistan, Drugs, anti-English sentiment, and a limp-handed twat...

Not surprised DB fucked it off, he probably wanted to re-whatever and go off some source material.

The casting of Malek as the villain with that big Scandinavian guy as his hench (probably) looks to be good on paper, but it all comes down to the script, and it looks like the Broccoli's are dead set on trying to go against MI and Bourne. Which is just fucking stupid as hell, and I'll expect them to either go down the virus route, climate change or something to do with AI and nanotech.

Still think that they missed a trick with Mallorey/Fiennes - not having him as a double-agent for Spectre was a shit move. Fiennes would have made an excellent villain and he was criminally under-used in Skyfall.

I don't think it will be long before they full-on sell out and create a shit serial with young Bond in order to stem the flow of pretenders to the throne... Bourne etc.

Will go see it, of course, regardless... But I'm just waiting for Tom Hardy or Michael Fassbender to take over Bond if I'm honest. I don't mind Daniel Craig, but the novelty has worn off a bit and he looked like he didn't want to be there in Spectre.

Bond needs a new face, also needs stop with the imitating - I hope this is a good one, but it's the Emperor's New Clothes with the attached writers/director.

Blah, it'll probably be brilliant, but may Burnley will beat City too.

 

[Zee_26]

Spectre was trash for the most part and the writer's forcing some type of continuity between the three prior Craig films didn't result in any kind of payoff in the end. I wonder how much of the Marvel shared universe and having these interconnections between films played a role when they drafted the script. The continuity is fairly loose in the Bond novels and films to begin with so it seemed a strange move there. Spectre also suffered by reverting to so many of the old Bond tropes and there was nothing fresh or unique that really grabbed your attention.

It will never happen, but imagine if the producers gave the franchise to a series of talented directors and gave each of them free reign to do Bond as they wished, not worrying about continuity in casting or setting - so long as there were enough character traits to still be recognised as 007. You could probably get really interesting films and there'd hopefully be less fuss about things like Bond's looks, race or gender.

[TepidT2O]

Hollywood scripts get rewritten many many many times.  Don’t take three script rewrites as any sign.  And remember it’s Bond, this isn’t art house.

It will be interesting to see why Danny Boyle left (in years to come). It would have been interesting to see Tarantino direct his Bond too, but that also fell apart!

[Skidder.]

Hollywood scripts get rewritten many many many times.  Don’t take three script rewrites as any sign.  And remember it’s Bond, this isn’t art house.

It will be interesting to see why Danny Boyle left (in years to come). It would have been interesting to see Tarantino direct his Bond too, but that also fell apart!

Creative control and final cut would be my guess. Same reasons Nolan will never do it.

Spectre was trash for the most part and the writer's forcing some type of continuity between the three prior Craig films didn't result in any kind of payoff in the end. I wonder how much of the Marvel shared universe and having these interconnections between films played a role when they drafted the script. The continuity is fairly loose in the Bond novels and films to begin with so it seemed a strange move there. Spectre also suffered by reverting to so many of the old Bond tropes and there was nothing fresh or unique that really grabbed your attention.

It will never happen, but imagine if the producers gave the franchise to a series of talented directors and gave each of them free reign to do Bond as they wished, not worrying about continuity in casting or setting - so long as there were enough character traits to still be recognised as 007. You could probably get really interesting films and there'd hopefully be less fuss about things like Bond's looks, race or gender.

Said something similar myself, as have others about them trying (and failing) to create some Marvel shite. Bond is one of the original franchises of our time and pretty much was one of the pioneers in this very convention. It's just that it isn't an ensemble... Time will tell, but they're always more than likely going to get an audience.

It's all down to the Brocolli's really. They've squeezed what they can out of the novella market and game market,  with Barbara Brocolli running the show and pretty much fucking up the bulk of it on her watch.

[TepidT2O]

The thing that’s odd about the creative control is that lots of it lies with Craig. 

Has this ever happened with other Bond actors?

[Skidder.]

The thing that’s odd about the creative control is that lots of it lies with Craig. 

Has this ever happened with other Bond actors?

To be fair to the Brocolli's, they seem to have stood behind their leading men when it comes to their input.

Except for Lazenby of course.

I always thought EON seeing directors as dime-a-dozen cogs in the machine. They're the bosses, they pay the wages, so therefore, it is their gig. A bit like how Abramovic runs Chelsea - here's the players, get on with it.

You know, it's all about Bond and if a director walks, there are shitloads behind just waiting. Bond walks off, and you gotta whole lot of pain in your world.

Pierce Brosnan got a lot of say in lots of aspects of the films, I think his wife used to work with, or is friends with B.B. He started off well enough, but his ego got the better of him and when you watch them back, he's a pretty crap actor in the grand scheme of things - but it just so happens that his ego fits the role perfectly. So he got off lightly in that respect.

Thing is, Bond needs an auteur to take it on and fuck off all the fannying about with this and that and trying to do many different things quite good, but nothing brilliant. Casino Royale started it off quite well, but from there, they made some daft choices and casting has gone tits up quite frankly.

Which comes back around to B.B.

[Skeeve]

Seems weird to give so much control to Craig when he has hardly had a stellar run of movies as the character and was very clear about not wanting to do another one after Spectre.

[Skidder.]

Jobs for the boys innit?

But, just watching Spectre again and the after effects on Daniel Craig's face is embarrassing. It isn't even consistent, at times his face looks flat (almost computer gamey), and at other times you could turn left at Greenland.

[Agent99]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48213903

[wampa1]

I hope they don't (spoilers for a 15 year old film) Bourne Supremacy Madeleine Swann out of the film early on.

[S]

I really hope they don't have Bond going rogue again. It's so overdone at this point.

Would much rather a return to the simple format where Bond gets a briefing on the villain and is sent on his way. No need for a new world order or anything.

[RyanBabel19]

Still haven't seen Spectre. Started it 5 times, fell asleep each and every one

[Red Viper]

Still haven't seen Spectre. Started it 5 times, fell asleep each and every one

Don't be too harsh on yourself. The writers fell asleep writing the bloody thing.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Heads are going explodey all over the place after the Lashana Lynch as the new 007 announcement.

Black and a woman 

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Heads are going explodey all over the place after the Lashana Lynch as the new 007 announcement.

Black and a woman 

Seems like it is a cop out though; 007 but not bond

[Brian Blessed]

I'm not a Bind fan by any stretch, I've only seen one of the Craig films. But  Phoebe Waller-Bridge being one of the writers is making this tempting. If it were her writing it alone, I'd definitely be there opening day.

[Something Worse]

Seems like it is a cop out though; 007 but not bond

You expected her to be James Bond in a movie with Daniel Craig?

Feels like the groundwork is being laid for a different direction after Craig escapes.

[Peabee]

Seems like it is a cop out though; 007 but not bond

I see your point. It's a pity they didn't just have a female Bond. But then again she can be her own character rather than 'just' a female version.

[Clayton Bigsby]

Seems like it is a cop out though; 007 but not bond

Yep, got people losing their heads over nothing. She will get her head blown off by the end im pretty sure

[Something Worse]

Yep, got people losing their heads over nothing. She will get her head blown off by the end im pretty sure

I thought that initially, but now I'm thinking spin off and the Bond Expanded Universe

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

I thought that initially, but now I'm thinking spin off and the Bond Expanded Universe

I was thinking more of a  'blatantly aping Mission Impossible by having a kickass female partner/antagonist' vibe

[gazzalfc]

No time to die

3rd April 2020

[TepidT2O]

Won’t go down well with fabric makers

[afc tukrish]

Won’t go down well with fabric makers

Something wrong with the rollers?

[TepidT2O]

Something wrong with the rollers?

They’ve run out of purple

[afc tukrish]

They’ve run out of purple

Or continue rolling double 6s...

United rollers, I suspect...

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Heads are going explodey all over the place after the Lashana Lynch as the new 007 announcement.

Black and a woman 

Let's be honest, it's a crock of shit isn't it?, I'm all for diversity, but 007 is a man, ffs it'll be a disaster, having said that Skyfall and Spectre were shite.

[killer-heels]

Let's be honest, it's a crock of shit isn't it?, I'm all for diversity, but 007 is a man, ffs it'll be a disaster, having said that Skyfall and Spectre were shite.

Bond is still Bond though. 007 is just an alias.

Very much doubt the Bond character will ever be a woman.

[spider]

Mentally prepared for this to be PC shite

[rafathegaffa83]

Bond is still Bond though. 007 is just an alias.

Very much doubt the Bond character will ever be a woman.

Yep. And it's been made clear that Bond is called out of retirement, so inevitably ge'll be reassigned as 007

[classycarra]

Mentally prepared for this to be PC shite

I don't see why that would be a concern. The main issue is that it will be terribly written and horrifically acted - and will again fall failingly into the gaps between fun/thrilling/interesting/effective, hitting none of those notes.

[S]

If it’s true that the premise is Bond coming out of retirement then this film is in trouble already. That trope is so overused. Bond being dead, Bond going rogue, Bond in retirement...it’s such a lazy way to try and give the character an edge. They make the same film every time but just give Daniel Craig a new personality disorder.

There’s also the worry that they will try and shove as many virtue signalling one-liners in as possible, which could be jarring. There is a strange public expectation on the Bond franchise to be a kind of moral arbiter.

I hope this film proves me wrong. I think Craig has been a great Bond, and three of his films back that up. He can’t be blamed for the mess of Spectre.

[McrRed]

Don't give a flying fuck who plays Bond.  Just make it well-written; make it a good film. Thanks

[gazzalfc]

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[IgorBobbins]

Looks a bit meh