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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7760 on: June 2, 2021, 11:21:05 am »
One of the most overrated former players we have had and I was a fan of his but the fact of the matter is he hasnt had a top season since 2018 and has become injury prone as well.

He was a beast for his last season and a half here, lets not rewrite history!
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7761 on: June 2, 2021, 11:52:15 am »
Yeah his last 18 months he was really brilliant. For the most part he was a very good player for us but he was inconsistent, especially in the 14/15 and 15/16 seasons. Sort of like his first 18 months and last 18 months was when he showed his best football, with those couple of seasons in between where he could be very hit and miss. He was still relatively young at the time and not playing in the Liverpool team we've seen since his departure, but for all the good stuff he'd bring he could really frustrate you. I'm glad he did raise his game before moving, even if it was to entice Barcelona to buy him. I was particularly gutted when he just completely didn't turn up for the Europa League final, which was his biggest game for the club really if you look past the climax of the 2013/14 season. Would be very interesting to see if he'd have stayed at Liverpool where he would be and where we would be.

As for getting him back, I'd stay well away. The player we knew is well and truly gone and he'll never get back to that level.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7762 on: June 2, 2021, 12:59:07 pm »
He wasnt the only one that played poorly in the Europa league final, very few players came out of that with any credibility.

I think he was inconsistent. There was months he was world class and he scored some absolute screamers when he was here, there was quiet periods just about every season for two months or so.

We might not agree with methods about how he left, I certainly didnt, but as fucking appalled said lets not rewrite history, the manner in which a player left doesnt lessen their talent and I'm sure there has been many players who left clubs to join us down the years and pissed off their current club by doing so.

Look as well at the profit we made on him, we bought him for 8.5m and sold him for well over 100m, we got enough out of him too

Again though, I wouldn't take him back, he isnt the player he was. IF and its a big IF he rejoined for free on a reasonable wage I'd take a punt but he isnt a 100-140m player anymore. I wouldnt even pay 20m for him when we could reinvest elsewhere.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7763 on: June 2, 2021, 02:33:14 pm »
He was a beast for his last season and a half here, lets not rewrite history!

He was, I'm not denying that, but he's been overrated immensely since his departure. Anytime we couldn't find a breakthrough, his name would be brought up as he was Messi, and ignoring the many games where Coutinho played, and we couldn't get a goal against bus parking sides.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7764 on: June 18, 2021, 01:19:23 am »
He was a beast for his last season and a half here, lets not rewrite history!

He was good but he cost us a lot balance wise to play. In truth he as probably worth about half of what Barca ended up paying.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7765 on: June 18, 2021, 08:12:14 am »
It's a strange one because the player we was when he left was very different to the one he was when he first arrived and was slipping pinpoint through balls in for Sturridge to run onto. By the time he moved he was more of an all-purpose forward who could dribble, shoot from long distances or set players up.

I think the trouble at Barca started when they moved him back into midfield, though I could see him still being able to turn it on playing in front of, say, Fabinho and Hendo and behind a front three. Moot though, as we'd never pay whatever price Barca would demand and have two youngsters who could play in that role anyway. Who knows, maybe Harvey Elliott can grow into that player sooner rather than later.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7766 on: June 18, 2021, 08:45:14 am »
He was good but he cost us a lot balance wise to play. In truth he as probably worth about half of what Barca ended up paying.

Coutinho was the best signing we've ever made. The defensive solidity he brought to the team allowed us to win trophies galore. I challenge anyone to find a single player who strengthens the team defensively as much as Alisson + Van Dijk.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7767 on: June 18, 2021, 06:57:11 pm »
Coutinho was the best signing we've ever made. The defensive solidity he brought to the team allowed us to win trophies galore. I challenge anyone to find a single player who strengthens the team defensively as much as Alisson + Van Dijk.

Kenny Dalglish for one was better - I could add Yeats, St John, Clemence, Keegan, Souness, Becker, Virg and many others to the list of better signings.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7768 on: June 18, 2021, 07:03:56 pm »
Kenny Dalglish for one was better - I could add Yeats, St John, Clemence, Keegan, Souness, Becker, Virg and many others to the list of better signings.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7769 on: June 18, 2021, 07:03:57 pm »
When you reply to a post having only read the first sentence  ;D

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7770 on: June 19, 2021, 01:35:23 am »
Kenny Dalglish for one was better - I could add Yeats, St John, Clemence, Keegan, Souness, Becker, Virg and many others to the list of better signings.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7771 on: June 21, 2021, 08:57:15 am »
He'll find a club, he's still a good player. Could do worse than tip up at Leicester, where Brendan Rodgers loves him and there are some decent players around.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7772 on: June 21, 2021, 09:25:25 am »
Screams a typical Everton signing. They need to keep their quota of a south american 10 that does not want to be there when James fucks off.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7773 on: October 28, 2021, 12:37:32 am »
100th game for Barcelona and he stank the pitch up.




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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7774 on: October 28, 2021, 11:14:55 am »
Loved him when he was here
We haven't missed him
We got a stupid amount of money for him
His sell, either directly or indirectly, led to the signings of 2 of our top 3 players who amongst the best we have ever had in their positions

Hasn't worked out for him and he was a little prick for how he behaved but I hope he can rekindle the magic that got us £140m, just not against us

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7775 on: October 28, 2021, 11:19:16 am »
There's no way he'll ever get close to those levels again, its four years since he was at his best, he's 29, had a load of injuries and his confidence must be at a point now that even becoming a good player again would be a decent achievement.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7776 on: October 28, 2021, 11:25:39 am »
Loved him when he was here

Loved him even more when he was gone.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7777 on: October 28, 2021, 11:42:05 am »
There's no way he'll ever get close to those levels again, its four years since he was at his best, he's 29, had a load of injuries and his confidence must be at a point now that even becoming a good player again would be a decent achievement.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7778 on: October 28, 2021, 12:05:49 pm »
Wonder where we would be currently if Barcelona hadn't wanted him.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7779 on: October 28, 2021, 02:30:24 pm »

"Stay here and they will end up building a statue in your honour. Go somewhere else and you will be just another player. Here you can be something more."
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We know Jurgen is a man of his word.
At the time how do you think Jurgen would have built a team around Coutinho?
I'm also presuming that we wouldn't have received the 'Coutinho money' and hence Jurgen's imagined team would have looked quite different to our current one (or the one after Coutinho left).

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7780 on: October 28, 2021, 03:10:23 pm »
Thank God we never gave him an ibuprofen for his back pain.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7781 on: October 28, 2021, 03:21:53 pm »
We know Jurgen is a man of his word.
At the time how do you think Jurgen would have built a team around Coutinho?
I'm also presuming that we wouldn't have received the 'Coutinho money' and hence Jurgen's imagined team would have looked quite different to our current one (or the one after Coutinho left).
If Coutinho stays, I don't think we get Alisson or Van Dijk. There's no contest between those two options. January 2018 is when we started transforming from an impressive but inconsistent top four team to a lethal winning machine.

That being said, he was a player I loved watching. An absolute genius on his day.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7782 on: October 28, 2021, 03:26:16 pm »
If Coutinho stays, I don't think we get Alisson or Van Dijk. There's no contest between those two options. January 2018 is when we started transforming from an impressive but inconsistent top four team to a lethal winning machine.

That being said, he was a player I loved watching. An absolute genius on his day.
Yeah, I agree with you.

I think Jurgen probably had in mind a continuation of the 'Fab Four' attacking set up we had.
A 'midfield pivot' of Hendo and a new MF signing..
God knows what our defence would have looked like though.
I would imagine Kelleher would've been fast-tracked to No.1 and a defence very similar to today's but without Virg.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7783 on: October 28, 2021, 07:49:24 pm »
Wasn’t the deal for Virgil being sorted when Coutinho was still a Liverpool player? But then it had to go on hold due to the tapping-up.

I always saw it as Alisson and Fab where the two main players bought with the Coutinho fee. But Virgil would have been here regardless.

Either which way, it all worked out for the better of this team in the end, as Fab and Ali are just as important for me.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7784 on: October 29, 2021, 04:51:16 pm »

..what could have been  :'(

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7786 on: October 29, 2021, 09:51:31 pm »
As much as it is good to see Barca suffer, there is some serious revisionism going on in here sometimes. That front four all shooting up the pitch together was a sight to bestow.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7787 on: December 11, 2021, 03:07:56 am »
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7788 on: December 26, 2021, 08:26:38 am »
Barcelona’s agreement to sign Ferran Torres from Manchester City has raised questions over Philippe Coutinho’s future.

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« Reply #7789 on: December 26, 2021, 06:30:37 pm »
Barcelona’s agreement to sign Ferran Torres from Manchester City has raised questions over Philippe Coutinho’s future.

Many people have been predicting Countinho's Barca demise for two years now, yet he always manages to hang on in there. This will probably be the same.

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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7790 on: December 27, 2021, 11:48:21 pm »
Just thinking, is he a case of worst career suicide ever

Or

The man who allowed us to win the title?

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« Reply #7791 on: December 28, 2021, 01:21:09 am »
Just thinking, is he a case of worst career suicide ever

Or

The man who allowed us to win the title?


Why do you take these scenarios as mutually exclusive?
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« Reply #7792 on: December 28, 2021, 11:44:35 am »
Just thinking, is he a case of worst career suicide ever

Or

The man who allowed us to win the title?

Coutinho strengthened our defence like no other single signing has done in our history.
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« Reply #7793 on: December 28, 2021, 11:47:18 am »
Coutinho strengthened our defence like no other single signing has done in our history.

I think we would have kept him if the fee wasn't so mental.
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« Reply #7794 on: December 28, 2021, 01:01:00 pm »
Always see (possibly bollocks) links to Everton. Would be fucking hilarious if he went there. It's mad how bad he looks whenever you watch him now. It's like any semblance of what made him really good is gone. I think if he ended up at one of our league rivals it'd make the whole saga even funnier. Everton of course would be the best but even someone like Arsenal or Spurs would be a laugh.
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« Reply #7795 on: December 28, 2021, 01:08:06 pm »
Can't see him going to a club like Everton it's just too much a step down and it's as good as guaranteed he'd win nothing. Spurs or maybe even Arsenal you'd be looking at possible FA or Europa league winners and at least a chance of a trophy. Elite level clubs like ourselves or City aren't going to be interested.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7796 on: December 28, 2021, 01:34:13 pm »
Why do you take these scenarios as mutually exclusive?

It is defo both

Think what I’m asking is how we now perceive him.
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« Reply #7797 on: December 28, 2021, 03:45:39 pm »
It is defo both

Think what I’m asking is how we now perceive him.

It's one of those cliched Hollywood sports movies. Except that, instead of all the hard work building up to the moment when our hero wins glory, we have a montage of all his moments building up to the climactic moment when Klopp is informed of Barcelona's offer. Cue all the triumphant imagery and music when the sale goes through.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7798 on: December 29, 2021, 04:10:33 pm »
My resentment towards Coutinho has long gone. He was amazing for us, and his sale was so transformative to the club going to the next level. Hope the lad gets a few good final years out of his career purely for the sake of his mental health. This fall from grace for him must be depressing as fuck. He just needs to leave Barca. The fans despise him and he can never turn it round there. I reckon a move to somewhere like Lazio or Napoli could be great for him. A big club where he can be adored, score lots of worldies, and have a system built around his unique qualities. He really should stay away from the Prem - he's got nothing to prove in this league. Barca has been a complete turkey of a move for both him and the club, but there is still a fantastic player in there with a lot to offer. But defo not for a high pressure club that employs a style of play like Liverpool, Bayern or Man City. Actually, of all the leading clubs in England I reckon Man Utd would suit his style of play best, but he would need his head tested to make a move like that or return to the Prem.

But hypothetically, if he did move back to the Prem, then outside Liverpool or Man Utd, I reckon Newcastle or Villa would be the next best choices for him. And for what he's achieved in his career, he deserves better.
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Re: Coutinho
« Reply #7799 on: December 29, 2021, 10:59:49 pm »
My resentment towards Coutinho has long gone. He was amazing for us, and his sale was so transformative to the club going to the next level. Hope the lad gets a few good final years out of his career purely for the sake of his mental health. This fall from grace for him must be depressing as fuck. He just needs to leave Barca. The fans despise him and he can never turn it round there. I reckon a move to somewhere like Lazio or Napoli could be great for him. A big club where he can be adored, score lots of worldies, and have a system built around his unique qualities. He really should stay away from the Prem - he's got nothing to prove in this league. Barca has been a complete turkey of a move for both him and the club, but there is still a fantastic player in there with a lot to offer. But defo not for a high pressure club that employs a style of play like Liverpool, Bayern or Man City. Actually, of all the leading clubs in England I reckon Man Utd would suit his style of play best, but he would need his head tested to make a move like that or return to the Prem.

But hypothetically, if he did move back to the Prem, then outside Liverpool or Man Utd, I reckon Newcastle or Villa would be the next best choices for him. And for what he's achieved in his career, he deserves better.


I personally think Arsenal would be a decent move for him right now.
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