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« Reply #17520 on: October 14, 2021, 02:26:38 pm »
I've always thought that the one thing that state run clubs can't buy is opposition to play against.
If they don't have credible opposition, then the whole sportswash thing becomes far less effective. Why should clubs like us (and many others I should add) be used to provide glamorous high profile fixtures with global audiences that ultimately helps them in their reputation washing?

Let them all fuck off and play one another a few times a season and see how effective their reputation washing becomes then.

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« Reply #17521 on: October 14, 2021, 03:18:15 pm »
According to the Telegraph, Newcastle want Edwards.

It's interesting this. If you are Edwards, do you go somewhere where you can basically play FM and buy the best players money can buy or do you stay at Liverpool and get to use analytics and scouting to find the players that will become the best in the world? 

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« Reply #17522 on: October 14, 2021, 03:21:21 pm »
It's interesting this. If you are Edwards, do you go somewhere where you can basically play FM and buy the best players money can buy or do you stay at Liverpool and get to use analytics and scouting to find the players that will become the best in the world? 

Bigger issue is do you want to take money from an owner who murders journalists and homosexuals?
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« Reply #17523 on: October 14, 2021, 03:23:35 pm »
Could we not have multiple breakaway leagues across europe, that include every team other than city, chelsea, Newcastle and PSG? Just leave uefa with a nice little mini league of 4 teams...

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« Reply #17524 on: October 14, 2021, 03:30:29 pm »

If your referring to Manchester City they’ve spent about a billion pound over the last 10 or so years

I can’t worry about what I can’t control


As Nick alludes to West Ham way off from a regular champions league contender only 2 slight sniffs premier league history




But now with Newcastle into the scenario it’s not good but I can’t control it sadly and can only hope the circus that has been Newcastle only continues and it goes spectacularly wrong

How do you explain you hate the situation ( Modern Football) but can’t let the situation eat you up

True, we can’t control it. The sad thing is not enough fans actually care, if they did then we could do something about it. If fans were prepared to just not turn up to games involving the state owned clubs it would make a massive statement , yes it hurts your our clubs too if we don’t turn up/ walk out but it looks like it’s going to be left to the fans to do something drastic before it is even looked at.
Either that or protests during the game.

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« Reply #17525 on: October 14, 2021, 04:32:16 pm »
I've always thought that the one thing that state run clubs can't buy is opposition to play against.
If they don't have credible opposition, then the whole sportswash thing becomes far less effective. Why should clubs like us (and many others I should add) be used to provide glamorous high profile fixtures with global audiences that ultimately helps them in their reputation washing?

Let them all fuck off and play one another a few times a season and see how effective their reputation washing becomes then.

Amnesty International coined the expression "sportswashing" and it includes club sponsorship and not just by state funded clubs. It should be noted  Nicholas McGeehan (probably the most widely quoted HR activist in the UK media) does make the point in the video posted in here a few days ago that the ownership model is the one to be most worried about because of the scope for additional political ends and that they can directly ruin clubs and/can ruin the game more generally. But where are the red lines?

Off the top of my head and aside from PSG, City and Chelsea all of the below are taking the coin and facilitating "sportswashing":

Arsenal - Emirates and Rwanda
United - Saudi Telecom and Aeroflot
Bayern - Qatar
Real Madrid - Emirates
AC Milan - Emirates
Barcelona - ex Qatar
FA - Emirates
Benfica- Emirates
Lyons - Emirates
Olympiacos - Emirates





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« Reply #17527 on: October 14, 2021, 04:54:00 pm »
It's interesting this. If you are Edwards, do you go somewhere where you can basically play FM and buy the best players money can buy or do you stay at Liverpool and get to use analytics and scouting to find the players that will become the best in the world?

Or spend half the summer scraping whatever you can in sales, trying to get an extra 2 million here and there, before you can even sign anyone.

His deal is up in the summer and he seems to have had enough, or at least pushing for better wages. Newcastle would give him an open cheque to sign.
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« Reply #17528 on: October 14, 2021, 05:18:26 pm »
Or spend half the summer scraping whatever you can in sales, trying to get an extra 2 million here and there, before you can even sign anyone.

His deal is up in the summer and he seems to have had enough, or at least pushing for better wages. Newcastle would give him an open cheque to sign.

You can't blame him really. All the Mbappe money he has saved in his piggy bank when we are gonna sign him for free next year anyway.

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« Reply #17529 on: October 14, 2021, 05:55:57 pm »
True, we can’t control it. The sad thing is not enough fans actually care, if they did then we could do something about it. If fans were prepared to just not turn up to games involving the state owned clubs it would make a massive statement , yes it hurts your our clubs too if we don’t turn up/ walk out but it looks like it’s going to be left to the fans to do something drastic before it is even looked at.
Either that or protests during the game.


Yes, that's probably the only way anything will happen, because the people running the PL don't give a damn, and the people running UEFA don't give a damn, as long as the cash and the "prestige" (how associating with rich people who have gay people and journalists killed is prestigious, I'm not sure, but they seem to think it is) keeps rolling.

But how do you get into the heads of enough people that the thing they protested about with the ESL - a closed shop designed to benefit rich owners - is here now, in the PL, and getting worse rapidly? Sky Sports won't stir shit about an Oil top 3 or an Oil top 10, as long as they have the rights.

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« Reply #17531 on: October 14, 2021, 06:12:55 pm »
Bigger issue is do you want to take money from an owner who murders journalists and homosexuals?

This. I said it the other day about Gerrard being potentially their manager, if he took that job i'd lose all respect for him.
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« Reply #17532 on: October 14, 2021, 06:15:13 pm »
For the love of God. Not surprised the comments have been turned off.

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« Reply #17533 on: October 14, 2021, 06:36:11 pm »
For the love of God. Not surprised the comments have been turned off.

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« Reply #17534 on: October 14, 2021, 06:44:35 pm »
Was just talking to a friend and they wouldn't believe that Qatar was basically the reason this finally went ahead.  Most people outside of the handful of affected fan bases just don't seemingly care.  They don't care about Chelsea, they don't care about ManC or PSG and they aren't going to care about Newcastle unless MBS starts chopping up foreigners...

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« Reply #17535 on: October 14, 2021, 07:12:00 pm »
Was just talking to a friend and they wouldn't believe that Qatar was basically the reason this finally went ahead.  Most people outside of the handful of affected fan bases just don't seemingly care.  They don't care about Chelsea, they don't care about ManC or PSG and they aren't going to care about Newcastle unless MBS starts chopping up foreigners...
Unfortunately they probably won’t care until it affects their clubs directly. Maybe it never will.
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« Reply #17536 on: October 14, 2021, 07:18:29 pm »
Amnesty International coined the expression "sportswashing" and it includes club sponsorship and not just by state funded clubs. It should be noted  Nicholas McGeehan (probably the most widely quoted HR activist in the UK media) does make the point in the video posted in here a few days ago that the ownership model is the one to be most worried about because of the scope for additional political ends and that they can directly ruin clubs and/can ruin the game more generally. But where are the red lines?

Off the top of my head and aside from PSG, City and Chelsea all of the below are taking the coin and facilitating "sportswashing":

Arsenal - Emirates and Rwanda
United - Saudi Telecom and Aeroflot
Bayern - Qatar
Real Madrid - Emirates
AC Milan - Emirates
Barcelona - ex Qatar
FA - Emirates
Benfica- Emirates
Lyons - Emirates
Olympiacos - Emirates






I don’t personally have an issue with the likes of Emirates sponsoring clubs, it’s a global airline in a competitive market, it’s not distorted the market in what it pays clubs and personally I have always seen it’s sponsorships as promoting the airline (and maybe by extension Dubai as a destination) rather then the government of Dubai.

But for full disclosure I have flown with Emirates many times both to Dubai and India, and will be flying to Dubai with them in February.
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« Reply #17537 on: October 14, 2021, 07:21:23 pm »
Was just talking to a friend and they wouldn't believe that Qatar was basically the reason this finally went ahead.  Most people outside of the handful of affected fan bases just don't seemingly care.  They don't care about Chelsea, they don't care about ManC or PSG and they aren't going to care about Newcastle unless MBS starts chopping up foreigners...

They won’t care because it doesn’t effect most clubs, the mid table will stay in the mid table. Outside of us, United, Arsenal and Spurs I can’t see any other supporters being overly worried concerned.
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« Reply #17538 on: October 14, 2021, 07:29:58 pm »
The fans of about 14 PL clubs have no other interest outside of their club being in the league and us not winning it. They really don't give a shit that they will miss out on a Europa/Conference place, its of no interest to them, they just don't care. The game is fucked and they don't see it.

I think most fans of of most PL clubs recognise that the game is well and truly fucked. That's where their apathy stems from IMO. They know the game has ventured down a dangerous road of commercialism/consumerism and there's nothing that any of us can really do to stop it at this point.
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« Reply #17539 on: October 14, 2021, 07:37:42 pm »
True, we can’t control it. The sad thing is not enough fans actually care, if they did then we could do something about it. If fans were prepared to just not turn up to games involving the state owned clubs it would make a massive statement , yes it hurts your our clubs too if we don’t turn up/ walk out but it looks like it’s going to be left to the fans to do something drastic before it is even looked at.
Either that or protests during the game.

The Pandemic showed how much football needs the fans.

All the fans would have to do is agree to disrupt their own games with MCFC and NUFC to a point that they ALL get forfeited and t hat the fans would regard whoever finished 3rd as the actual champions.

You'd soon see action taken.

Won't happen though because football fans would rather fuck eachother over in the short term.

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« Reply #17540 on: October 14, 2021, 07:53:50 pm »
The Pandemic showed how much football needs the fans.

All the fans would have to do is agree to disrupt their own games with MCFC and NUFC to a point that they ALL get forfeited and t hat the fans would regard whoever finished 3rd as the actual champions.

You'd soon see action taken.

Won't happen though because football fans would rather fuck eachother over in the short term.
I would definitely support us forfeiting games against the state owned clubs.

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« Reply #17541 on: October 14, 2021, 08:06:09 pm »
Saw a City fan who still goes the game earlier, asked him how it felt to not be the richest club anymore? His reply was "finally a set of owners who are worse than ours". So even though he knows how bad Abu Dhabi are, he's still going the match. The game is fucked.
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« Reply #17542 on: October 14, 2021, 08:09:28 pm »
Saw a City fan who still goes the game earlier, asked him how it felt to not be the richest club anymore? His reply was "finally a set of owners who are worse than ours". So even though he knows how bad Abu Dhabi are, he's still going the match. The game is fucked.
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« Reply #17544 on: October 14, 2021, 09:00:18 pm »
Their players and coaches still have to live in and around fucking Newcastle though so......
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« Reply #17545 on: October 14, 2021, 09:25:26 pm »
I have to say, I am really disappointed about a number of comments on this thread. Newcastle football club has been around a long time, and has a very illustrious record. The last few decades haven't been too successful, but that is part of the point, surely? A club with such a history spanning more than 100 years needs to be given broader moral support because once it is gone, it is gone forever...

They've been around for more than 100 years?... Really?... So have most football clubs in the top four tiers of English football.

Stoke City 1863, Notts Forest 1865, Sheffield Wednesday 1867 are the earliest clubs still going in the top four divisions...  ...Middlesbrough were formed in 1876 and Sunderland in 1879... ...Newcastle weren't formed until 1892, the same year as Liverpool.

As for an illustrious record? Not particularly. Their fourteen trophies include the Fairs Cup and the Intertoto Cup.
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« Reply #17546 on: October 14, 2021, 09:57:29 pm »
They've been around for more than 100 years?... Really?... So have most football clubs in the top four tiers of English football.

Stoke City 1863, Notts Forest 1865, Sheffield Wednesday 1867 are the earliest clubs still going in the top four divisions...  ...Middlesbrough were formed in 1876 and Sunderland in 1879... ...Newcastle weren't formed until 1892, the same year as Liverpool.

As for an illustrious record? Not particularly. Their fourteen trophies include the Fairs Cup and the Intertoto Cup.
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« Reply #17547 on: October 14, 2021, 10:21:54 pm »
I don’t personally have an issue with the likes of Emirates sponsoring clubs, it’s a global airline in a competitive market, it’s not distorted the market in what it pays clubs and personally I have always seen it’s sponsorships as promoting the airline (and maybe by extension Dubai as a destination) rather then the government of Dubai.

But for full disclosure I have flown with Emirates many times both to Dubai and India, and will be flying to Dubai with them in February.
Emirates is a properly run business, for profit, they've consistently made profits and operated independently of Dubai itself, they don't own any clubs. Qatar and Etihad are failing airlines propped up by their governments. It's why when they sponsor clubs, it's definitely sportswashing because financially as standalone companies it would be inept of them to pay such huge sponsorship fees. In contrast Emirates as an airline can and isn't being funded by DIC to just fund those sponsorships.
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« Reply #17548 on: October 14, 2021, 10:28:15 pm »
They've been around for more than 100 years?... Really?... So have most football clubs in the top four tiers of English football.

Stoke City 1863, Notts Forest 1865, Sheffield Wednesday 1867 are the earliest clubs still going in the top four divisions...  ...Middlesbrough were formed in 1876 and Sunderland in 1879... ...Newcastle weren't formed until 1892, the same year as Liverpool.

As for an illustrious record? Not particularly. Their fourteen trophies include the Fairs Cup and the Intertoto Cup.

I wish we could've won it, look at that for a trophy, and Scotty looks so brave holding it


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« Reply #17549 on: October 14, 2021, 10:40:15 pm »

Saw this on another forum.

Newcastle may be desperate for glory, but so are others

 

AMID all the hullabaloo about Newcastle United’s takeover by the Saudi Arabian sovereign wealth fund, there was an underlying feeling the club’s fans were entitled to celebrate the transaction because they had waited so long for success. It is true that Newcastle have gone 52 years without any form of silverware, but they are not alone in being an underachieving club. Certainly, nobody should be using the phrase, “they deserve this because they want it so much”, a throwaway rolled-out by TV “talent” shows full of weeping wannabes and hyberbole.

 

For example, in the current Premier League, there are four clubs (Brentford, Brighton, Crystal Palace and Watford) who have never won a single major trophy. Burnley have waited the longest, 61 years since they won the league title. Then there’s West Ham and Wolverhampton Wanderers, who have gone 41 without a trophy on their boardroom table.

 

In Germany, exactly half of the 18-team Bundesliga have never won a trophy, while poor old Hertha Berlin have gone 90 years without a sniff of silverware. It was 1931 when they were last champions of Germany. Among the owners of barren trophy cabinets are RB Leipzig, who despite being in contention for honours, have yet to break their duck.

 

Only four clubs from Italy’s Serie A have never won a cup, but there’s a lot who have been waiting for what must seem like an eternity. Udinese (91 years), Genoa (84), Venezia (80) and Atalanta (58) are all among the most patient of clubs.

 

Nine clubs from La Liga are potless, while Athletic Bilbao have waited the longest among the past winners, some 37 years. Interestingly, seven teams have lifted trophies in the past three seasons from Spain, highlighting their strength in European competition.

 

France, despite the dominance of Paris Saint-Germain, has only five Ligue 1 teams who have never won a bean. Eleven clubs have won something since 2001. Of those that can look back on past glory, Reims have been waiting longest – 30 years.

 

The top 10 most patient clubs

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Hertha Berlin1931 90

Genoa1937 84

Venezia1941 80

Burnley1960 61

Atalanta1963 58

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« Reply #17550 on: October 14, 2021, 10:57:17 pm »
I wish we could've won it, look at that for a trophy, and Scotty looks so brave holding it


So Goddamn brave bless 'im :'(
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« Reply #17551 on: October 14, 2021, 11:30:56 pm »
So Goddamn brave bless 'im :'(

Manager material right there.  Bring back the glory years Scotty!
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« Reply #17552 on: October 15, 2021, 12:09:31 am »
They've been around for more than 100 years?... Really?... So have most football clubs in the top four tiers of English football.

Stoke City 1863, Notts Forest 1865, Sheffield Wednesday 1867 are the earliest clubs still going in the top four divisions...  ...Middlesbrough were formed in 1876 and Sunderland in 1879... ...Newcastle weren't formed until 1892, the same year as Liverpool.

As for an illustrious record? Not particularly. Their fourteen trophies include the Fairs Cup and the Intertoto Cup.

Yes, most clubs from the old organisation you refer to here as English football are indeed over 100 years old. that is my point - this buyout is another, irreversible, nail in the coffin of football as it used to be. Soon, only incredibly rich individuals or sovereign states will own football clubs. In ten years it will be difficult for clubs like Liverpool and Spurs to compete. I doubt we can stop it now, even if all fans acted with a single will.

You don't like me using the term "illustrious record" to describe Newcastle? Sounds petty on your part. That is your problem, not mine.

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« Reply #17553 on: October 15, 2021, 12:21:39 am »
You don't like me using the term "illustrious record" to describe Newcastle? Sounds petty on your part. That is your problem, not mine.
The term is not factually correct.

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« Reply #17554 on: October 15, 2021, 12:22:16 am »
Yes, most clubs from the old organisation you refer to here as English football are indeed over 100 years old. that is my point - this buyout is another, irreversible, nail in the coffin of football as it used to be. Soon, only incredibly rich individuals or sovereign states will own football clubs. In ten years it will be difficult for clubs like Liverpool and Spurs to compete. I doubt we can stop it now, even if all fans acted with a single will.

You don't like me using the term "illustrious record" to describe Newcastle? Sounds petty on your part. That is your problem, not mine.
Willy, let me ask you a direct question if I may.
Are you a deep shill?

Apologies if you aren't; but you do come across as one  :wave
If your moral compass is Piers Moron then I ask you to think whether someone who oversaw illegal phone hacking and published fake pictures depicting War Crimes is an appropriate person to look up to. In fact, I'd suggest you're a bit of a c*nt.

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« Reply #17555 on: October 15, 2021, 01:06:29 am »
Willy, let me ask you a direct question if I may.
Are you a deep shill?

Apologies if you aren't; but you do come across as one  :wave

Do you mean am I attempting to push an agenda, with the pretense of sincerity?

No, that is not my intention. I am being sincere when I say I deplore the way football is heading. Why is that a problem for you?

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« Reply #17556 on: October 15, 2021, 01:09:32 am »
The term is not factually correct.

It is. Quick check of the definition online: "well known, respected, and admired for past achievements.".

NUFC is:

Well know - yes
respected - by me, yes
admired for past achievements - by me, yes.

So the term is factually correct. If we assume opinions can vary based on what a fact actually 'means'.

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« Reply #17557 on: October 15, 2021, 01:14:24 am »
Do you mean am I attempting to push an agenda, with the pretense of sincerity?

No, that is not my intention. I am being sincere when I say I deplore the way football is heading. Why is that a problem for you?
Because you sound like a pre-programmed bot.
If your moral compass is Piers Moron then I ask you to think whether someone who oversaw illegal phone hacking and published fake pictures depicting War Crimes is an appropriate person to look up to. In fact, I'd suggest you're a bit of a c*nt.

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« Reply #17558 on: October 15, 2021, 01:16:18 am »
It is. Quick check of the definition online: "well known, respected, and admired for past achievements.".

NUFC is:

Well know - yes
respected - by me, yes
admired for past achievements - by me, yes.

So the term is factually correct. If we assume opinions can vary based on what a fact actually 'means'.
Hello Data  :wave
If your moral compass is Piers Moron then I ask you to think whether someone who oversaw illegal phone hacking and published fake pictures depicting War Crimes is an appropriate person to look up to. In fact, I'd suggest you're a bit of a c*nt.

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« Reply #17559 on: October 15, 2021, 01:17:20 am »
Because you sound like a pre-programmed bot.

Congratulations. You are attacking me, not my point of view. Does it make you feel like a better human being because you can abuse me for the way I "sound"?