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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #40 on: September 3, 2007, 10:26:06 am »
Shorely if he doesnt belong to a club, he is a free agent??     After the west ham/Tevez bollox, no player can belong to an agent,
That's here, not the rest of Europe/the world.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #41 on: September 3, 2007, 10:27:02 am »
You would think the initial deals for he and Tevez would've been the same.

Perhaps so, in which case at the time they may have had to choose one or the other

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #42 on: September 3, 2007, 10:28:26 am »
Masch is a boss he will have a massive season this year! Glad to say i saw his liverpool debut :D
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #43 on: September 3, 2007, 10:29:32 am »
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #44 on: September 3, 2007, 10:49:19 am »
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It would be a monstrous fuck up of great proportions if he ended up at Real, Milan or Barça because thats exactly where he'll be if he isn't tied down to a longterm contract, like someone said earlier this has to be the number one priority signing for next season.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #45 on: September 3, 2007, 10:58:38 am »
Amazing player and, for me, the first player to be picked in midfield. Xabi will score more goals with Mash in the side, and so will Gerrard. It's a good headache for Rafa to have, but I feel we are a better side with Masherano in the engine room.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #46 on: September 3, 2007, 10:59:37 am »
Masch is awsome. That tackle and Torres first goal was just sublime - worthy of Liverpool teams of old.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #47 on: September 3, 2007, 11:04:34 am »
Disagree. For me Masch and Gerrard is or best centre midfeild pairing at the moment. They should have played against Chelsea, and I reckon we would have won if they had. I can't see why he's being used against teams likes Derby and Tolouse instead.

Not sure that I agree. It was Alonso's pass that was the starting point for Torres' goal.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #48 on: September 3, 2007, 11:17:52 am »
If that's the case, why isn't he playing him more often?

Just a guess - Copa America?? Rafa gave him 'light duties' at the start of the season so that he's still got something left in the tank at the end of the season. Accordingly I expect him to play more & more often as the season progresses, there will always be an element of horses for courses too but if I'm right he will play more & more often.

He's always there when needed defensively; is there any truth in the rumour that he has a twin brother who sneaks onto the pitch with him?
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #49 on: September 3, 2007, 11:19:03 am »
He's a brillliant player, awesome.  But Xabi offers some things that Masch simply doesn't have.  Not discounting Masch's quality, just saying that they provide a unique selection head-ache for us.  How many other sides in the world can have a player of the quality of Gerrard missing from central midfield, and then still be able to put out a pairing of Xabi & Masch's quality?

Not sure if we could keep both happy for the next three years.  But I'd love it if they were happy enough to stay.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #50 on: September 3, 2007, 11:23:06 am »
First things first - I wholeheartedly agree Mascherano is "world-class" insofar as it relates to a narrowly-defined specialist role.  He is an absolutely fantastic holding player and seems to show he might improve quite a bit over time in other areas.

BUT .....


For me he deserves a place in the centre of our midfield.  He should be a regular starter, more so than Alonso and Sissoko.

The demand for his specialist skills is limited compared to the demand for the skills our other central midfielders offer.

The essence of Mascherano's game is destruction and obstruction.  Sure, he can do other things (and seems to be getting better at them), but his chief appeal is destruction to counter our opponent's efforts at creation.

Specifically, Masch is never more valuable than when we play an opponent who can threaten us from between the lines.

Masch is never going edge out Alonso as a "regular" starter because:

i) Alonso's creative and distributive capacities are obviously greater; and

ii) there are relatively few opponents in England that can offer a serious threat between the lines - United, Arsenal, maybe Man City if Elano holds up - even Chelsea seemd to have lost this aspect to their play since Gudjohnsen and Duff moved on.  At a stretch you could put Spurs in the mix.

Point is, there are few games where Rafa will consider that we need to commit a central midfielder to contain a particular opponent's threat.

Different story in Europe though.  I think Masch will be a "regular" in our big-game Euro lineup without ever becoming a "regular" for English opponents.

Disagree. For me Masch and Gerrard is or best centre midfeild pairing at the moment. They should have played against Chelsea, and I reckon we would have won if they had. I can't see why he's being used against teams likes Derby and Tolouse instead.

So what, you think he would have dispossessed Rob Styles of his whistle with an incredible sliding challenge?

I imagine you are going to argue the ball would never have got that far if Masch was playing.  I'll offer three points in anticipation:

i) you can't possibly know that

ii) if we had decent officiating on the day, we probably would have won without him

iii) you are overlooking Alonso's lovely header in the lead-up to Torres' goal.  You can't be sure Mascherano would be far enough up the pitch to make that header, let alone whether he would have managed the task as neatly as Alonso did.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #51 on: September 3, 2007, 11:33:25 am »
why could he not get a game at West Ham?

Word on the street is there was some kind of clause in his contract that stated that Javier/Joorabchian should be payed 'X' amount for every number of games Javier played.

Anyhow, they had the money to do this I reckon, so it might be down to the fact that they didn't recognise his class.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #52 on: September 3, 2007, 11:33:37 am »
I actually believe theres alot of passion from our foreign players this year. Normally when over seas players come to england they dont understand what winning means to the club, players and fans.

I think Rafa's got every signing spot on! they all wanted to be a part of Liverpool and it shows.

Mascherano such as torres and Voronin is just another option. This is the first year in a while where any first team rafa could put out i am confident we'll get the job done.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #53 on: September 3, 2007, 11:35:05 am »
We average 5-0 per game without those two useless Scousers.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #54 on: September 3, 2007, 12:31:06 pm »
Masch is 100% World class. I'll admit, when i first heard about Rafa wanting to bring him to Anfield i said that we didnt need him and not to bother....HOW WRONG WAS I?????

This guy really is a gem....and i will hold my hand up and admit i was wrong....this guy needs to be snapped up perm!!!

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #55 on: September 3, 2007, 12:45:06 pm »
As I've said before, he's possibly already the best DM in the world. At 23.. that's a scary thought.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #56 on: September 3, 2007, 12:58:51 pm »
Disagree. For me Masch and Gerrard is or best centre midfeild pairing at the moment. They should have played against Chelsea, and I reckon we would have won if they had.

I've got a lot of sympathy for that view for a couple of reasons :

1) as I said in the postmatch thread, I think we sat back and handed the initiative to Chelsea after we scored. If Mascherano had been on the field I'm not so sure he would have allowed that to happen. He keeps the tempo of the game up (to boiling point based on his form so far) and it seems to rub off on those around him.

2) he patrols the area exactly where that cross to Malouda went through, could very easily have been there to cut it out


all pointless conjecture of course but what the heck...


the Alonso v Mascherano (Momo) question is almost impossible to gauge, in terms of who contributes more in an attacking sense to our game. Theoretically, Mascherano's (and Momo's) destructive game and Xabi's more constructive game SHOULD make the question easy to answer. However, Mascherano's effect on the team seems to be a similar one to McMahon's of old, in that we destroy the oppo's game so much that we end up with the ball for long periods and end up slowly pulverising the oppo to death. Alonso still looks to be like a continental player playing in the Premiership. Mascherano looks like a Premiership player. Subtle difference.


As things stand, with Javier on this irresistible vein of form, I agree with SSS that this is (easily) our best central mid combo.


ps - and yes, if someone trawls up the old/original Mascherano thread, you will see a very different slant on JM from me, but he's grown on me a lot since then. I still maintain he's a more limited player than Alonso, in terms of passing etc, but his effect on the team's performance as a whole (cf. McMahon) seems to more than make up for it

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #57 on: September 3, 2007, 01:22:12 pm »
Oozes class, it's a great headache to have i guess with 5 world class center mids... i just wouldn't want to be the one having it.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #58 on: September 3, 2007, 01:23:55 pm »
My only concern is in 18 months (???) time, what we will have to do to ensure we sign him up? 

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #59 on: September 3, 2007, 01:24:10 pm »
Javier - would be the first midfielder on the teamsheet for me. Different class.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #60 on: September 3, 2007, 01:26:52 pm »
He's an amazing player... that tackle for Torres' first... sublime. With him in the team, our fullbacks can afford to be more adventurous going forward- not only does he time a tackle well, he's fast enough to close a player down. That is how he kept Kaka in his back pocket last season, and how he set up Torres' goal on Saturday. I'm still not sure if he should be starting ahead of Xabi (in home games at least) but he certainly deserves to play more often than not... it's a massive dilemma, especially seeing as how Sissoko has started this season as well (Masch and Sissoko against toulouse last week were very good in every aspect; including distribution).

Like I've said: the sooner he signs permenantly the better. It's sickening to think that if he leaves he could end up at a Man U or a Chelsea...

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #61 on: September 3, 2007, 01:28:23 pm »
He needs to play as many games as hes fit for at least until we sign him permanently. IF not he may leave in search of a regular starting place

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #62 on: September 3, 2007, 01:29:53 pm »
He needs to play as many games as hes fit for at least until we sign him permanently. IF not he may leave in search of a regular starting place
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #63 on: September 3, 2007, 01:32:34 pm »
He needs to play as many games as hes fit for at least until we sign him permanently. IF not he may leave in search of a regular starting place

It's not just about games surely, if there's a happy family-like atmosphere (which everyone seems to be saying), he plays atleast 40 games a season and we end up with a few trophies then surely that should be enough to have him want to stay?
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #64 on: September 3, 2007, 01:35:54 pm »
Javier - would be the first midfielder on the teamsheet for me. Different class.

No, Pepe Reina should be the first name on the teamsheet.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #65 on: September 3, 2007, 01:38:12 pm »
The most impressive thing for me has been that when people have come into the team this year, they seem to be playing well immediately, as they know if they don't play well they'll be getting a longer spell on the sidelines. Masch has been rested a little bit more than most because of the copa america, but has immediately put in the performances. Momo and xabi have started well too, everyone fighting hard for their place...just how it should be.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #66 on: September 3, 2007, 01:39:17 pm »
I'd say along with Essien he's probably the best holding player in the world and the great thing from our point of view is that at 23 he's only going to get better. I just hope we do everything in our power to keep hold of him at the end of the season.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #67 on: September 3, 2007, 01:39:59 pm »
Javiers performances have been fantastic, but it is difficult to overplay the likes of Xabi or Stevie G to get a regular first team place.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #68 on: September 3, 2007, 01:41:01 pm »
i read initially we signed him on 18 month loan deal and a couple of weeks after we signed him.we then signed him  permanantly for 10 mil.think it was in the echo,ask rome84 if he knows,he works for th echo doesnt he
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #69 on: September 3, 2007, 01:41:03 pm »
I half wonder if Alonso might go back to Spain next summer, since he really is too imperious to not be a main man, and then Sissoko and Leiva will be the understudies to Mascherano and Gerrard. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to keep them all, but I don't think it will be possible beyond this season. 

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #70 on: September 3, 2007, 01:47:19 pm »
I'd say along with Essien he's probably the best holding player in the world and the great thing from our point of view is that at 23 he's only going to get better. I just hope we do everything in our power to keep hold of him at the end of the season.

Sissoko will never be a Mascherano understudy. They're far too different. Great player, but if one had to go, I'd rather it be Momo rather than Xabi.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #71 on: September 3, 2007, 01:47:31 pm »
No, Pepe Reina should be the first name on the teamsheet.

Pepe Reina isn't a midfielder...well not very often anyway.

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« Reply #72 on: September 3, 2007, 01:49:44 pm »
What a nice headache to have. Mascherano or Alonso alongside Gerrard with Leiva and Momo in reserve....

I think AF would like to have such headaches at the moment. His seems to be getting Fletcher or Eagles more bench time at the moment!

Mascherano was awesome against Toulouse. He covered so much ground and on the odd occasion he lost the ball he not only tracked back but won back possession. I think you can sense the anticipation at Anfield this season. We have a team of players fighting for the ball each game and no passengers - Long may it continue!
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #73 on: September 3, 2007, 01:50:17 pm »
He needs to play as many games as hes fit for at least until we sign him permanently. IF not he may leave in search of a regular starting place

he doesn't look like he wants to play for anyone except Liverpool to me

hopefully these words won't come back to haunt me but I'd say he looks as proud to play for us as he does for Argentina

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #74 on: September 3, 2007, 01:57:00 pm »
Could anyone put up the words to the Mascherano song, got to my first game of the season on Sat and was on the main stand, I couldn't make out the words other than his name.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #75 on: September 3, 2007, 01:59:35 pm »
he doesn't look like he wants to play for anyone except Liverpool to me

hopefully these words won't come back to haunt me but I'd say he looks as proud to play for us as he does for Argentina

he couldn't look more at home if he was driving cattle across the pampas

I agree. I would be very surprised if he expressed interest in joining another club. He's had nothing but good things to say about us and regularly talks about how much gratitude he feels he owes to the club. I expect to see him at the club for many years to come.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #76 on: September 3, 2007, 02:02:37 pm »
We have a team of players fighting for the ball each game and no passengers - Long may it continue!

Spot on !! The last one was Cissé! I really hope we'll humiliate them home and away as our defeat against a Abdoulaye Meité header at Marseille was so desappointing !! However, it was houillier :s

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #77 on: September 3, 2007, 02:07:08 pm »
I reckon it's Reina

because

1. It's normally the 1st position on the team sheet!
2. We don't really have another option!

For me, first on the team sheet, Gerrard.
Second, Torres.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #78 on: September 3, 2007, 02:08:46 pm »
Could anyone put up the words to the Mascherano song, got to my first game of the season on Sat and was on the main stand, I couldn't make out the words other than his name.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #79 on: September 3, 2007, 02:22:30 pm »
I reckon it's Reina

because

1. It's normally the 1st position on the team sheet!
2. We don't really have another option!


:D, good point