Topic: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)

[gatcliffe]

Skrtel scored twice when we beat Arsenal 5-1 in the 13/14 season

We got 2 at Palace last month from Matip and Lovren sorry to correct you.

[TheShanklyGates]

It's no coincidence that we always seem to do much better when the team is competent at set pieces (at both ends).

[dudleyred]

We got 2 at Palace last month from Matip and Lovren sorry to correct you.

The post asking when the last time was, and subsequent answer was straight after the palace match.....

[Hash91]

Skrtel scored twice when we beat Arsenal 5-1 in the 13/14 season

Wasn't the first Skrtel goal from a freekick?

[BazC]

And they all missed Sakho and Lovren against Dortmund anyway.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

And they all missed Sakho and Lovren against Dortmund anyway.

Lovrens was from a free kick. Arguably from open play following the free kick.

[Alf]

One element of our play that has significantly improved under Jurgen Klopp. Lovren & Csn seemed a constant threat to Sunderland yesterday.

[Goobs10]

I wanted to create a thread on this but I haven't done enough posts.  Just wanted to put this out there as it's been annoying me.  What Liverpool have done this season and the run they are on is simple ridiculous so obviously it's difficult to criticize them and Klopp.

However, why are we so utterly inept from corners?! It's an observation I've made from watching a number of Liverpool games this season which seems to have gone unnoticed, presumably because we are still winning the games anyway.

What I've noticed as a constant theme is that either we piss about playing it short and mess it up resulting in no cross coming into the box, or the cross that does come in straight from the corner very rarely gets past the first defender and is easily headed away.

Robertson is the worst offender.  It drives me mental.  Trent is better but his deliveries are also not getting above the first defender far too often.

When you have someone in the box who is such a threat from set pieces like van diyk waiting for a delivery that never reaches him, it baffles me why Klopp doesn't address it.

Robertson's crosses into the box from open play where he doesn't have to kick it as far and can slide it along the floor across the box are fine but he seems to lack the technique to get the ball into the box from a corner.  He should be either taken off corner duty or given technique coaching.

These guys are professional footballers who should be able to kick the ball into the box from a corner!

Compare Liverpool's corners to City.  I have just watched the City game tonight and they had 3 corners in the space of few minutes.  Every corner, De Bruyne was able to get the ball right into the danger area every single time with ease and they scored from one of them.

Just wanted to get that off my chest!

[Perham]

I wanted to create a thread on this but I haven't done enough posts.  Just wanted to put this out there as it's been annoying me.  What Liverpool have done this season and the run they are on is simple ridiculous so obviously it's difficult to criticize them and Klopp.

However, why are we so utterly inept from corners?! It's an observation I've made from watching a number of Liverpool games this season which seems to have gone unnoticed, presumably because we are still winning the games anyway.

What I've noticed as a constant theme is that either we piss about playing it short and mess it up resulting in no cross coming into the box, or the cross that does come in straight from the corner very rarely gets past the first defender and is easily headed away.

Robertson is the worst offender.  It drives me mental.  Trent is better but his deliveries are also not getting above the first defender far too often.

When you have someone in the box who is such a threat from set pieces like van diyk waiting for a delivery that never reaches him, it baffles me why Klopp doesn't address it.

Robertson's crosses into the box from open play where he doesn't have to kick it as far and can slide it along the floor across the box are fine but he seems to lack the technique to get the ball into the box from a corner.  He should be either taken off corner duty or given technique coaching.

These guys are professional footballers who should be able to kick the ball into the box from a corner!

Compare Liverpool's corners to City.  I have just watched the City game tonight and they had 3 corners in the space of few minutes.  Every corner, De Bruyne was able to get the ball right into the danger area every single time with ease and they scored from one of them.

Just wanted to get that off my chest!

Fuckin hell you wanted to make a new topic for that

Aren't we one of the best set piece teams in the league? Both in attack and defence?

[TomDcs]

I wanted to create a thread on this but I haven't done enough posts.  Just wanted to put this out there as it's been annoying me.  What Liverpool have done this season and the run they are on is simple ridiculous so obviously it's difficult to criticize them and Klopp.

However, why are we so utterly inept from corners?! It's an observation I've made from watching a number of Liverpool games this season which seems to have gone unnoticed, presumably because we are still winning the games anyway.

What I've noticed as a constant theme is that either we piss about playing it short and mess it up resulting in no cross coming into the box, or the cross that does come in straight from the corner very rarely gets past the first defender and is easily headed away.

Robertson is the worst offender.  It drives me mental.  Trent is better but his deliveries are also not getting above the first defender far too often.

When you have someone in the box who is such a threat from set pieces like van diyk waiting for a delivery that never reaches him, it baffles me why Klopp doesn't address it.

Robertson's crosses into the box from open play where he doesn't have to kick it as far and can slide it along the floor across the box are fine but he seems to lack the technique to get the ball into the box from a corner.  He should be either taken off corner duty or given technique coaching.

These guys are professional footballers who should be able to kick the ball into the box from a corner!

Compare Liverpool's corners to City.  I have just watched the City game tonight and they had 3 corners in the space of few minutes.  Every corner, De Bruyne was able to get the ball right into the danger area every single time with ease and they scored from one of them.

Just wanted to get that off my chest!

Did you only start watching us this year?? We used to be woeful at corners for literally years, as it is we are just off the back of a couple of games with ineffective corners having been great for most of the season.

[Goobs10]

I wanted to create a thread on this but I haven't done enough posts.  Just wanted to put this out there as it's been annoying me.  What Liverpool have done this season and the run they are on is simple ridiculous so obviously it's difficult to criticize them and Klopp.

However, why are we so utterly inept from corners?! It's an observation I've made from watching a number of Liverpool games this season which seems to have gone unnoticed, presumably because we are still winning the games anyway.

What I've noticed as a constant theme is that either we piss about playing it short and mess it up resulting in no cross coming into the box, or the cross that does come in straight from the corner very rarely gets past the first defender and is easily headed away.

Robertson is the worst offender.  It drives me mental.  Trent is better but his deliveries are also not getting above the first defender far too often.

When you have someone in the box who is such a threat from set pieces like van diyk waiting for a delivery that never reaches him, it baffles me why Klopp doesn't address it.

Robertson's crosses into the box from open play where he doesn't have to kick it as far and can slide it along the floor across the box are fine but he seems to lack the technique to get the ball into the box from a corner.  He should be either taken off corner duty or given technique coaching.

These guys are professional footballers who should be able to kick the ball into the box from a corner!

Compare Liverpool's corners to City.  I have just watched the City game tonight and they had 3 corners in the space of few minutes.  Every corner, De Bruyne was able to get the ball right into the danger area every single time with ease and they scored from one of them.

Just wanted to get that off my chest!

Fuckin hell you wanted to make a new topic for that

Aren't we one of the best set piece teams in the league? Both in attack and defence?

We have scored a few from set pieces I'm sure.  Obviously some crosses are good enough. We get a lot of corners though and far too many times, the cross isn't coming into the box due to either playing it short or the technique of the crosser not being good enough.

[LanceLink!!!!!]

We have scored a few from set pieces I'm sure.  Obviously some crosses are good enough. We get a lot of corners though and far too many times, the cross isn't coming into the box due to either playing it short or the technique of the crosser not being good enough.

We're 22 points clear, I wouldn't let it bother you that much.

[Goobs10]

We're 22 points clear, I wouldn't let it bother you that much.

Just find it frustrating and baffling.

[killer-heels]

Just find it frustrating and baffling.

Are we not one of the best set piece teams in the league?

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Inept at corners? Are we in 2011?

We're the most efficient side at set pieces in the league and probably in Europe.

[MJD-L4]

I wanted to create a thread on this but I haven't done enough posts.  Just wanted to put this out there as it's been annoying me.  What Liverpool have done this season and the run they are on is simple ridiculous so obviously it's difficult to criticize them and Klopp.

However, why are we so utterly inept from corners?! It's an observation I've made from watching a number of Liverpool games this season which seems to have gone unnoticed, presumably because we are still winning the games anyway.

What I've noticed as a constant theme is that either we piss about playing it short and mess it up resulting in no cross coming into the box, or the cross that does come in straight from the corner very rarely gets past the first defender and is easily headed away.

Robertson is the worst offender.  It drives me mental.  Trent is better but his deliveries are also not getting above the first defender far too often.

When you have someone in the box who is such a threat from set pieces like van diyk waiting for a delivery that never reaches him, it baffles me why Klopp doesn't address it.

Robertson's crosses into the box from open play where he doesn't have to kick it as far and can slide it along the floor across the box are fine but he seems to lack the technique to get the ball into the box from a corner.  He should be either taken off corner duty or given technique coaching.

These guys are professional footballers who should be able to kick the ball into the box from a corner!

Compare Liverpool's corners to City.  I have just watched the City game tonight and they had 3 corners in the space of few minutes.  Every corner, De Bruyne was able to get the ball right into the danger area every single time with ease and they scored from one of them.

Just wanted to get that off my chest!

I'm sure I read recently that only 3% of corners result directly in a goal (the corner taker getting the assist). The same piece also said that the most goals assisted by the corner taker are scored at the near post. Apparently there was an area of about 3 inches that you can aim at that is high enough to clear the first man but low enough to drop at the near post rather than the goalkeepers hands.

That's a 3 inch target to aim for, which is invisible & almost 30 yards away. Effectively taking corners isn't easy. If Trent & Robbo are aiming for that spot, they're going to hit the first man a lot.

Obviously there's other types of corners and plenty of other places to aim. Stick it over the centre circle & let Virgil do the rest I say.

Edit: found it - https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/mar/27/in-defence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece

[Barneylfc∗]

I wanted to create a thread on this but I haven't done enough posts.  Just wanted to put this out there as it's been annoying me.  What Liverpool have done this season and the run they are on is simple ridiculous so obviously it's difficult to criticize them and Klopp.

However, why are we so utterly inept from corners?! It's an observation I've made from watching a number of Liverpool games this season which seems to have gone unnoticed, presumably because we are still winning the games anyway.

What I've noticed as a constant theme is that either we piss about playing it short and mess it up resulting in no cross coming into the box, or the cross that does come in straight from the corner very rarely gets past the first defender and is easily headed away.

Robertson is the worst offender.  It drives me mental.  Trent is better but his deliveries are also not getting above the first defender far too often.

When you have someone in the box who is such a threat from set pieces like van diyk waiting for a delivery that never reaches him, it baffles me why Klopp doesn't address it.

Robertson's crosses into the box from open play where he doesn't have to kick it as far and can slide it along the floor across the box are fine but he seems to lack the technique to get the ball into the box from a corner.  He should be either taken off corner duty or given technique coaching.

These guys are professional footballers who should be able to kick the ball into the box from a corner!

Compare Liverpool's corners to City.  I have just watched the City game tonight and they had 3 corners in the space of few minutes.  Every corner, De Bruyne was able to get the ball right into the danger area every single time with ease and they scored from one of them.

Just wanted to get that off my chest!

Thank fuck you couldn't start a new thread, because that is shite from start to finish.

[Samie]

Oi Goober! this is what you wanted to create a thread for?

[Mister Flip Flop]

We're 22 points clear, I wouldn't let it bother you that much.

With our goal difference it's more like 23 points.

[muszka]

With our goal difference it's more like 23 points.

For City to catch us we need to lose 8 games so at least -8 while City wins 8 so at the minimum 16 goal difference. We now have only 8.

[Six Beardy]

Inept at corners? Are we in 2011?

We're the most efficient side at set pieces in the league and probably in Europe.

Haha yeah, one of the very first LFC fanzines back in the early 90's was called 'Another Wasted Corner'

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

We scored 14 goals from corners last season in the League; the next highest had 10. The league average was scoring from 3.57%, we scored from 5.41%. We also scored from corners against Barcelona, Porto, Bayern Munich and Tottenham (2nd phase) in the Champions League from what I can remember.

This season we have so far scored from 8 in the League, so are pretty much on course to replicate what we did last season. Add a goal against Napoli as well.

I think all fans have a perception that they are shit at corners because the reality is that so few are scored from in general. But we're actually pretty fantastic at them.

[Anfield Kopite]

With our goal difference it's more like 23 points.

either you are not being  serious or you are piss poor at maths.

[LanceLink!!!!!]

Manufactured? 

Hatched

[simesy]

I have broken through space-time using the now working flux capacitor in my DeLorean..
..and discovered that the post above was the one that created a parallel discussion in this thread centered around birthdays, kids, ages etc.

Time to rename the thread?
 

I am now 5 days older than I was when that was posted. I cannot fit that into the narrative. Neither the fact I have 3 other kids whos age and the year they were born are totally irrelevant to winning the title, past or present, no matter how hard I try to make them fit. Hopefully by the time this is all finished we might have actually won it. So the thread title will definitely have changed. 😂

[Son of Spion]

I wanted to create a thread on this but I haven't done enough posts.  Just wanted to put this out there as it's been annoying me.  What Liverpool have done this season and the run they are on is simple ridiculous so obviously it's difficult to criticize them and Klopp.

However, why are we so utterly inept from corners?! It's an observation I've made from watching a number of Liverpool games this season which seems to have gone unnoticed, presumably because we are still winning the games anyway.

What I've noticed as a constant theme is that either we piss about playing it short and mess it up resulting in no cross coming into the box, or the cross that does come in straight from the corner very rarely gets past the first defender and is easily headed away.

Robertson is the worst offender.  It drives me mental.  Trent is better but his deliveries are also not getting above the first defender far too often.

When you have someone in the box who is such a threat from set pieces like van diyk waiting for a delivery that never reaches him, it baffles me why Klopp doesn't address it.

Robertson's crosses into the box from open play where he doesn't have to kick it as far and can slide it along the floor across the box are fine but he seems to lack the technique to get the ball into the box from a corner.  He should be either taken off corner duty or given technique coaching.

These guys are professional footballers who should be able to kick the ball into the box from a corner!

Compare Liverpool's corners to City.  I have just watched the City game tonight and they had 3 corners in the space of few minutes.  Every corner, De Bruyne was able to get the ball right into the danger area every single time with ease and they scored from one of them.

Just wanted to get that off my chest!

We did ok from a corner against Barcelona at Anfield last season. 

Overall though, I agree that we aren't so good at them. Having said that, this is not a new thing with Liverpool. As far back as, if I recall correctly, the 1980s there was a Liverpool fanzine called 'Another Wasted Corner'. The title acknowledging our relative ineptitude at them.

Over many years I've been known to tear my hair out because we seem unable to beat the first man with a corner on so many occasions. It's definitely something we could improve on but, as I said, it's been like this for decades.

[Caligula?]

Oi! Bad at corners? That's an awful shout. We're amazing at them. Two that I can think of right off the top of my head that we've recently scored from just in the last few weeks were Virgil vs United and Hendo vs Wolves. In years prior we used to be hopeless at them, but nowadays when we get a corner and Trent steps over the ball you'd almost be surprised if we didn't turn it into a chance rather than the other way around.

[Gerry Attrick]

About 1 in every 40 corners results in a goal. They are low percentage opportunities, it's always worth remembering that.

[Cu Chulainn]

The 13-14 season was brilliant for corners. I just looked it up and Skrtel scored 7 league goals that year!

[deFacto please, you bastards]

We've been brilliant at corners and set pieces for the last 2 seasons. It's nonsense

[rodderzzz]

Every set of fans in the World thinks they're shit at corners because its such a low percentage of conversion. However Liverpool have been brilliant statistically at both defending and scoring off set pieces over the last two years

[meady1981]

Another wasted corner

[John C]

Just find it frustrating and baffling.

There's rarely a need for a new thread though Goobs, there's duplicate threads on most subjects. The throw-in's thread could even be bumped, I've always got a lot to say on that subject

[Guz-kop]

The value of corners is often over stated as the conversion rate generally in football is small. Important to be good at breaking from defensive corners and also protecting from the back as well. Thankfully we're probably the best at all 3 in the league even though crossing the other night was frustrating to watch

[El Lobo]

Are we not one of the best set piece teams in the league?

Not one of. The.

[themightybeard]

To be fair I find it amusing to watch van Dijk when we take a short corner and lose it or play it back to Gomez on halfway. Safe to say he's not a fan of playing it short!

[Perham]

Ask yourself is creating a new thread worth it?

[BassTunedToRed]

Most assists from corners in the Premier League this season.
6 - Liverpool
3 - Arsenal, Burnley
2 - Bournemouth, Leicester, Man City, Tottenham
1 - nine teams
0 - four teams

Trent alone has five, and important ones too - winner at Villa, decisive goal against Brighton, and the opening goals against Arsenal, United and Wolves.

Close the thread 

[JordanTremenderson]

And defensively:

[Uncle Ronnie]

We're also so good at corners that we end up scoring from other teams' ones too