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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99680 on: May 23, 2019, 04:00:37 am »
Joyce and Hunter are reporting that Ojo will be offered a new five year deal and then sent back on loan next season
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/22/liverpool-champions-league-spain-friendly-jurgen-klopp

I get the feeling that Klopp has a lot more patience then most when it comes to young players development

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99681 on: May 23, 2019, 06:54:44 am »
Saw a headline on SSN that says Saints, Brighton and Newcastle interested in £25m rated Harry Wilson.
Really hope we keep this lad, looks a real talent, we can't just sell our best young players, even for good money.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99682 on: May 23, 2019, 07:26:50 am »
Saw a headline on SSN that says Saints, Brighton and Newcastle interested in £25m rated Harry Wilson.
Really hope we keep this lad, looks a real talent, we can't just sell our best young players, even for good money.

It’s great when academy players come through and make it, and Harry is a cracking talent, but realistically you have to back the manager on these decisions. Look where we’re at, and how many of the young players we’ve sold in the last 5 years would we now be clamouring to get back because they’d make the match day squad? Probably none.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99683 on: May 23, 2019, 07:40:40 am »
Joyce and Hunter are reporting that Ojo will be offered a new five year deal and then sent back on loan next season
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/22/liverpool-champions-league-spain-friendly-jurgen-klopp
Think.at this point he's better off not signing and making a permanent move somewhere to try and kick start his career

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99684 on: May 23, 2019, 07:42:19 am »
It’s great when academy players come through and make it, and Harry is a cracking talent, but realistically you have to back the manager on these decisions. Look where we’re at, and how many of the young players we’ve sold in the last 5 years would we now be clamouring to get back because they’d make the match day squad? Probably none.
Only one I can think of that would be worth it would be Gulacsi and he not good enough to start over Alisson. He also at the age where u want to start as a Goalie.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99685 on: May 23, 2019, 08:07:33 am »
Think.at this point he's better off not signing and making a permanent move somewhere to try and kick start his career

Possibly but at the same time Football is not always full of stability. Any manner of things can go wrong and knowing you have a five year contract to fall back on at a club like ours is a huge incentive.

If he does well he will have clubs after and if not we are always there plus being at Liverpool will always attract attention of other clubs.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99686 on: May 23, 2019, 08:09:02 am »
It’s great when academy players come through and make it, and Harry is a cracking talent, but realistically you have to back the manager on these decisions. Look where we’re at, and how many of the young players we’ve sold in the last 5 years would we now be clamouring to get back because they’d make the match day squad? Probably none.

I do trust the manager, however whilst you can argue how much game time he will get I do feel Wilson is a cut above the likes of Brad Smith and Ibe.
He has an eye for goal, and is very good at set pieces, anyway I hope we keep him.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99687 on: May 23, 2019, 08:18:10 am »
Saw a headline on SSN that says Saints, Brighton and Newcastle interested in £25m rated Harry Wilson.
Really hope we keep this lad, looks a real talent, we can't just sell our best young players, even for good money.

Klopp rates Harry and Harry said Klopp is always on the phone to him.

A lot of senior players will miss most of the pre season and Harry plus others will have a major part in this years pre season.

I doubt we would sell such talent at this early stage. I can see him on our bench next season or loaned out to a PL club.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99688 on: May 23, 2019, 08:22:21 am »
Possibly but at the same time Football is not always full of stability. Any manner of things can go wrong and knowing you have a five year contract to fall back on at a club like ours is a huge incentive.

If he does well he will have clubs after and if not we are always there plus being at Liverpool will always attract attention of other clubs.
True, but the loan market makes it harder to get that chance to shine. A slow start and that's you pretty much done as the club look to their other loans or players they can actually profit off.

He signed a long term deal last summer so surprised we're already looking to extend it after an unsuccessful loan.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99689 on: May 23, 2019, 08:23:23 am »
It’s great when academy players come through and make it, and Harry is a cracking talent, but realistically you have to back the manager on these decisions. Look where we’re at, and how many of the young players we’ve sold in the last 5 years would we now be clamouring to get back because they’d make the match day squad? Probably none.

Conor Coady has probably kicked on more than what most expected.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99690 on: May 23, 2019, 08:24:40 am »
After the article in the NYT, I feel as if any decision made by the club on players is grounded on valid inferential stats that accurately predict future success. Whoever is let go and signed, I am cool with it for now.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99691 on: May 23, 2019, 08:27:25 am »
It’s great when academy players come through and make it, and Harry is a cracking talent, but realistically you have to back the manager on these decisions. Look where we’re at, and how many of the young players we’ve sold in the last 5 years would we now be clamouring to get back because they’d make the match day squad? Probably none.

Suso and Coady might make our squad now.

We don't need to spend loads in the summer and I think it would be also pointless selling top talent that want to be at the club.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99692 on: May 23, 2019, 09:08:59 am »
Klopp rates Harry and Harry said Klopp is always on the phone to him.

A lot of senior players will miss most of the pre season and Harry plus others will have a major part in this years pre season.

I doubt we would sell such talent at this early stage. I can see him on our bench next season or loaned out to a PL club.

That’s a big boost if the manager is always on the phone to him!!

Could you post the link to that interview please mate :)
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99693 on: May 23, 2019, 10:19:30 am »
Think.at this point he's better off not signing and making a permanent move somewhere to try and kick start his career

Have to agree with that. He isn't getting a sniff here for the foreseeable not in midfield or as a forward at least. The only way I can see him working here is if he converts to full-back. He has the physical qualities, but does he have the tactical nous?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99694 on: May 23, 2019, 01:08:34 pm »
Suso and Coady might make our squad now.
Only because they've been getting valuable game time elsewhere.

There's no way either would be near the starting line-up.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99695 on: May 23, 2019, 01:12:31 pm »
Joyce and Hunter are reporting that Ojo will be offered a new five year deal and then sent back on loan next season
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/22/liverpool-champions-league-spain-friendly-jurgen-klopp
Think.at this point he's better off not signing and making a permanent move somewhere to try and kick start his career
Have to agree with that. He isn't getting a sniff here for the foreseeable not in midfield or as a forward at least. The only way I can see him working here is if he converts to full-back. He has the physical qualities, but does he have the tactical nous?
Makes total sense to sign the lad up and then hope he does enough on loan to bring in some money.

If he does amazingly well elsewhere and starts living up to the hint of potential he was showing a few years ago, then maybe there's even a route back for him. After all, we thought Origi's Liverpool career was dead and buried.

If he does quite well elsewhere, then we can sell him for a profit on what we sold him for.

If he bombs to shit, then we haven't really lost anything as long as the contract we've given him isn't too silly. He can just keep going out on loan until a permanent move materialises, or his deal runs out, whichever happens soonest.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99696 on: May 23, 2019, 02:11:22 pm »
Only because they've been getting valuable game time elsewhere.

There's no way either would be near the starting line-up.

But that's why it makes no sense selling top talent so early.

If they're willing sign a deal with the club and go out on loan then we bring them back as squad fillers to see how they get on.

As shown with Wilson and Kent we can still increase their value doing it this way.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99697 on: May 23, 2019, 02:24:58 pm »
Makes total sense to sign the lad up and then hope he does enough on loan to bring in some money.


Yes, from our POV. From his? Depends how good the money is I suppose.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99698 on: May 23, 2019, 02:31:07 pm »
But that's why it makes no sense selling top talent so early.

If they're willing sign a deal with the club and go out on loan then we bring them back as squad fillers to see how they get on.

As shown with Wilson and Kent we can still increase their value doing it this way.

How do you know Suso and Coady weren’t offered long term contracts and instead chose to leave? Same source as your Wilson interview?  ;)
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99699 on: May 23, 2019, 07:16:44 pm »
But that's why it makes no sense selling top talent so early.

If they're willing sign a deal with the club and go out on loan then we bring them back as squad fillers to see how they get on.

As shown with Wilson and Kent we can still increase their value doing it this way.
Yeah, I guess that's right.

As long as the player is playing games and advancing their career, then we might as well hold the registration and be in position to make some money.

But I do think a player is more likely to bed in and excel at a club if they know it's their permanent home.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99700 on: May 23, 2019, 07:17:38 pm »
How do you know Suso and Coady weren’t offered long term contracts and instead chose to leave? Same source as your Wilson interview?  ;)
They left before Edwards was in charge of such things, but you're right, we don't know for sure what the situation was.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99701 on: May 23, 2019, 09:19:52 pm »
How do you know Suso and Coady weren’t offered long term contracts and instead chose to leave? Same source as your Wilson interview?  ;)

I think you're right, they actually was.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99702 on: May 23, 2019, 10:30:59 pm »
I think you're right, they actually was.

Suso certainly either ran it down or bought it out a few months early.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99703 on: May 30, 2019, 03:14:51 am »
Seems like Tagseth is leaving, sadly...

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99704 on: June 1, 2019, 02:36:46 pm »
Really sad to hear about Tagseth.  Loved his tenacity in his first season in the U18s under Gerrard.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99705 on: June 1, 2019, 06:20:51 pm »
Gutted if Tagseth is off, love his playstyle and think he could become a wonderful talent. Really smart player

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99706 on: June 5, 2019, 04:09:06 pm »
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/05/premier-league-youth-teams-reality-brighton-coach-simon-rusk

“I can’t blame [Hughton] for not giving younger players an opportunity,” says Rusk. “To play a young player you’ve got to put three, four or five noses out of joint in the dressing room. So, unless it’s an absolute screaming talent, it’s a hard thing to do. You need to keep all your squad happy as you are going to war once or twice a week. It’s incredibly tough in the Premier League as there’s millions of pounds resting on every finishing position.”

Imagine it's the same at LFC, except more so.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99707 on: June 5, 2019, 04:20:09 pm »
Any updates on Ojo, has that contract extension been mentioned ?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99708 on: June 5, 2019, 04:25:28 pm »
How do you know Suso and Coady weren’t offered long term contracts and instead chose to leave? Same source as your Wilson interview?  ;)

Suso was the mistake but he was badly managed by Rodgers. When he did start he'd be hauled off early because Rodgers had got his tactics wrong rather than anything Suso had done wrong particularly. When he came off the bench he'd usually make a big impact but he was rarely used off the bench at all and went months and months without minutes. He could have easily been developed into a good squad player. It's no wonder he ran his contract down.

Coady maybe the same but it wasn't until Nuno came in at Wolves and built a system that worked for him and he really matured as a player. Before that he was an average Championship player in terms of his standing. I always thought he could come good though, he reminded me of Carragher who also took time to mature but got the minutes here to do it. The difference now though is Carra wouldn't have got the years at full back to do it because the nature of the position has changed.

Rossiter was another one I thought could come back to bite us but he's been absolutely battered by injuries at Rangers.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99709 on: June 5, 2019, 11:07:54 pm »
Once Klopp comes back from his well earned break, plans will inevitably turn to the pre-season. I am wondering who has a good chance of making the pre-season tour. The African players may still be away or at least on their hols, which youngsters will make the cut this season. There has been some good performances at both under 18's and the under 23's who does everyone want to see on the tour?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99710 on: June 5, 2019, 11:18:20 pm »
Once Klopp comes back from his well earned break, plans will inevitably turn to the pre-season. I am wondering who has a good chance of making the pre-season tour. The African players may still be away or at least on their hols, which youngsters will make the cut this season. There has been some good performances at both under 18's and the under 23's who does everyone want to see on the tour?

Curtis Jones, Larouci maybe?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99711 on: June 6, 2019, 12:25:00 am »
Curtis Jones, Larouci maybe?

I think Curtis is a given Larouci is someone I would really like to see out there really enjoyed watching him this season. I will throw in a few more names, Ki-Jana Hoever, Adam Lewis, Edvard Tagseth, Luis Longstaff, Paul Glatzel and Bobby Duncan perhaps a couple from that group as well. I would really like a few to go on this tour especially with possibly some familiar faces missing, be fascinating to see who makes an impression.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99712 on: June 6, 2019, 07:17:17 am »
Doubt Tagseth, Jill, if it's true he's leaving. I'd love to see Larouci and Hoever on this tour.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99713 on: June 6, 2019, 07:31:22 am »
Unless they have a loan already sorted wilson, ojo and kent will be going. Then with those who usually train up in Jones, hoever, phillips, woodburn, camacho if he stays, Herbie Kane as well if hes not on loan. Don't think there is going to be many new faces initially.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99714 on: June 6, 2019, 10:31:42 am »
Rhys Williams might be in with a shout.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99715 on: June 6, 2019, 01:38:24 pm »
What kind of player is this Larouci? Remember hearing good things when we signed him and thats continued in his time here but i haven't seen him play. Whats his playstyle and am i right in thinking he came in as a winger but is playing as more of a fullback or have i completely made that up?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99716 on: June 6, 2019, 02:39:17 pm »
What kind of player is this Larouci? Remember hearing good things when we signed him and thats continued in his time here but i haven't seen him play. Whats his playstyle and am i right in thinking he came in as a winger but is playing as more of a fullback or have i completely made that up?

Judging by the final, he's a LB with a lot of energy and aggression. Was our best player on the day. I'd imagine he's some way off being given an opportunity with the first team as he hasn't even progressed fully from the U18s to the U23s yet.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99717 on: June 6, 2019, 02:53:02 pm »
Judging by the final, he's a LB with a lot of energy and aggression. Was our best player on the day. I'd imagine he's some way off being given an opportunity with the first team as he hasn't even progressed fully from the U18s to the U23s yet.

Cheers mate, sounds good. I'm not too worried with the whole first team thing as i'd assume he's behind Lewis in that pecking order anyway

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99718 on: June 6, 2019, 07:20:45 pm »
Unless they have a loan already sorted wilson, ojo and kent will be going. Then with those who usually train up in Jones, hoever, phillips, woodburn, camacho if he stays, Herbie Kane as well if hes not on loan. Don't think there is going to be many new faces initially.

Not even Adam Lewis or Hoever?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99719 on: June 6, 2019, 07:22:37 pm »
Curtis Jones, Larouci maybe?
Jones was on the tour last year would expect him to be on the tour again.