Topic: "Green and Gold, it's O5e from Molde!" - Cornering like a reliant robin..

[CHOPPER]

Wayne Clarke not Ian Snodin

Culverhouse!

[[new username under construction]]

That James is is a bit of a shithouse isn't he, gonna hurt someone sooner or later

[kennedy81]

That James is is a bit of a shithouse isn't he, gonna hurt someone sooner or later

Took a bad clatter to the head earlier. Probably shouldn't have been let play on.

[beardsleyismessimk1]

These are getting relegated

[kesey]

Wayne Clarke not Ian Snodin. A header I thought Brucie should have dealt with it , fuckin annoyed about that still.

We should smash these they are shit , forget the “cup final “ for them , they are not good  enough. Not felt like this since the heady day of Moyes at the helm of the good ship Salford upon Thames FC.

Ive been speaking about that game this week to lads in my local. His brother Alan played for Leeds who's record we were about to beat which was 32 games unbeaten from the start of the league.

Was in the top balcony for that .

[kesey]

Do you mean the 28 or 29th game? When we went unbeaten and equalled Leeds’ record?

Thought it was 32 ?

Memory is going .

[Crosby Nick]

Thought it was 32 ?

Memory is going .

Dunno. Think about 28 it could be wrong, think we got to mid March unbeaten. Then lost to Forest on Easter Saturday as well (maybe just before we beat them in the Cup semi and then the 5-0 at Anfield.

[Brian Blessed]

Here’s a post off redcafe about the title chase

“I still fancy City to win it. There’s six points at stake with the head to heads and Liverpool are leaking goals. “


Liverpool goals against. 6
Man City goals against. 9.     

It’s funny, it almost feels like we are leaking goals compared to last season. But we obviously are not and Adrián has done brilliant. We’d have conceded what, one, maybe two less in the league if Allison has been fit?

Perception can be a funny thing.

[Sangria]

Thought it was 32 ?

Memory is going .

29 unbeaten from the start of the season, 30th game (the would be recordbreaker) was against Everton at Goodison, Wayne Clarke scrambling in their winner. IIRC our form fell a bit after that.

[4pool]

29 unbeaten from the start of the season, 30th game (the would be recordbreaker) was against Everton at Goodison, Wayne Clarke scrambling in their winner. IIRC our form fell a bit after that.

Well Everton have won 2 League matches this season. 15 last season. And 13 the season before that....so there's 30 right there..

[kesey]

29 unbeaten from the start of the season, 30th game (the would be recordbreaker) was against Everton at Goodison, Wayne Clarke scrambling in their winner. IIRC our form fell a bit after that.

Thanks but I don't understand what IIRC means.

Not having a go but try and type what it actually means you lazy twats.

[harleydanger]

If I recall correctly

[kesey]

Dunno. Think about 28 it could be wrong, think we got to mid March unbeaten. Then lost to Forest on Easter Saturday as well (maybe just before we beat them in the Cup semi and then the 5-0 at Anfield.

Sounds about right . I remember our kid being on crutches with us at that Everton game and I remember the two Forest games well . The home game and the Semi's but can hardly recall the away game. It's a bit mad though why we played them home and away so close together. I've just searched it. It must have been a rescheduling .

[decosabute]

Over on the Caf, a fella started a thread about their 'rebuild', and while he's being hailed for his "sense" by loads of posters, it contains this:

"Until there is genuine stability at United there will be nothing to build upon. By contrast Liverpool stuck with Klopp after an initial period of real uncertainty, where it seemed like the fans where starting to turn against him. The point here is that if United are serious about a rebuild they will have to appoint a manager, stick to him and see it through."

The bolded bit is an amazing slice of fake history - yeah, we had a couple of bad results/performances in 2015-16, but there were also very quickly some amazing performances and it was crystal clear to everyone that we were going in the right direction. We reached two cup finals and I don't remember anyone (in person or on the internet) even suggesting that Klopp wasn't anything but the right man.

To compare anything about Klopp and Solskjaer is pure madness. In terms of track record, authority, charisma or style of play, one is simply levels and levels above the other. At the same point in his reign, 10 months in, Klopp had us smashing Arsenal away and challenging Chelsea at the top of the table while playing amazing stuff. Ole has United in relegation form since March. Laughable even discussing them in the same sentence.

It's amazing that they've conjured this up as part of their desperate, hugely misguided belief that things will just click if you stick with a guy for long enough. Once again, because it happened for Fergie, it's apparently evidence that it'll happen for anyone. As we keep seeing, the fabled "United way" is just "what happened when Fergie was here and we won all them trophies".

The delusion is a joy to behold.

[Souness1]

Over on the Caf, a fella started a thread about their 'rebuild', and while he's being hailed for his "sense" by loads of posters, it contains this:

"Until there is genuine stability at United there will be nothing to build upon. By contrast Liverpool stuck with Klopp after an initial period of real uncertainty, where it seemed like the fans where starting to turn against him. The point here is that if United are serious about a rebuild they will have to appoint a manager, stick to him and see it through."

The bolded bit is an amazing slice of fake history - yeah, we had a couple of bad results/performances in 2015-16, but there were also very quickly some amazing performances and it was crystal clear to everyone that we were going in the right direction. We reached two cup finals and I don't remember anyone (in person or on the internet) even suggesting that Klopp wasn't anything but the right man.

To compare anything about Klopp and Solskjaer is pure madness. In terms of track record, authority, charisma or style of play, one is simply levels and levels above the other. At the same point in his reign, 10 months in, Klopp had us smashing Arsenal away and challenging Chelsea at the top of the table while playing amazing stuff. Ole has United in relegation form since March. Laughable even discussing them in the same sentence.

It's amazing that they've conjured this up as part of their desperate, hugely misguided belief that things will just click if you stick with a guy for long enough. Once again, because it happened for Fergie, it's apparently evidence that it'll happen for anyone. As we keep seeing, the fabled "United way" is just "what happened when Fergie was here and we won all them trophies".

The delusion is a joy to behold.

It fits in right alongside the myths of;

1) Klopp teams are fucked by January
2) Klopp teams don’t have a plan B
3) Klopp nearly got Dortmund relegated in his last season

[demain]

It fits in right alongside the myths of;

1) Klopp teams are fucked by January
2) Klopp teams don’t have a plan B
3) Klopp nearly got Dortmund relegated in his last season

and

4) Klopp teams are on drugs
5) Klopp teams owe their success to occult-like factors

[rob1966]

Over on the Caf, a fella started a thread about their 'rebuild', and while he's being hailed for his "sense" by loads of posters, it contains this:

"Until there is genuine stability at United there will be nothing to build upon. By contrast Liverpool stuck with Klopp after an initial period of real uncertainty, where it seemed like the fans where starting to turn against him. The point here is that if United are serious about a rebuild they will have to appoint a manager, stick to him and see it through."

The bolded bit is an amazing slice of fake history - yeah, we had a couple of bad results/performances in 2015-16, but there were also very quickly some amazing performances and it was crystal clear to everyone that we were going in the right direction. We reached two cup finals and I don't remember anyone (in person or on the internet) even suggesting that Klopp wasn't anything but the right man.

To compare anything about Klopp and Solskjaer is pure madness. In terms of track record, authority, charisma or style of play, one is simply levels and levels above the other. At the same point in his reign, 10 months in, Klopp had us smashing Arsenal away and challenging Chelsea at the top of the table while playing amazing stuff. Ole has United in relegation form since March. Laughable even discussing them in the same sentence.

It's amazing that they've conjured this up as part of their desperate, hugely misguided belief that things will just click if you stick with a guy for long enough. Once again, because it happened for Fergie, it's apparently evidence that it'll happen for anyone. As we keep seeing, the fabled "United way" is just "what happened when Fergie was here and we won all them trophies".

The delusion is a joy to behold.

I do remember some bellends questioning Klopp early on, I had a couple of arguments with my own brother about it - he was dropped on his head as a baby, so he at least has an excuse for chatting shit at times.

Solskjaer is a shit manager, that is all there is to it.

[thisyearisouryear]

Over on the Caf, a fella started a thread about their 'rebuild', and while he's being hailed for his "sense" by loads of posters, it contains this:

"Until there is genuine stability at United there will be nothing to build upon. By contrast Liverpool stuck with Klopp after an initial period of real uncertainty, where it seemed like the fans where starting to turn against him. The point here is that if United are serious about a rebuild they will have to appoint a manager, stick to him and see it through."

The bolded bit is an amazing slice of fake history - yeah, we had a couple of bad results/performances in 2015-16, but there were also very quickly some amazing performances and it was crystal clear to everyone that we were going in the right direction. We reached two cup finals and I don't remember anyone (in person or on the internet) even suggesting that Klopp wasn't anything but the right man.

To compare anything about Klopp and Solskjaer is pure madness. In terms of track record, authority, charisma or style of play, one is simply levels and levels above the other. At the same point in his reign, 10 months in, Klopp had us smashing Arsenal away and challenging Chelsea at the top of the table while playing amazing stuff. Ole has United in relegation form since March. Laughable even discussing them in the same sentence.

It's amazing that they've conjured this up as part of their desperate, hugely misguided belief that things will just click if you stick with a guy for long enough. Once again, because it happened for Fergie, it's apparently evidence that it'll happen for anyone. As we keep seeing, the fabled "United way" is just "what happened when Fergie was here and we won all them trophies".

The delusion is a joy to behold.

I beg to differ, dear sir. The distinguished redcafe poster you have quoted is absolutely right. They need to stick with that fountain of managerial talent, otherwise known as Ole, for at least a few more seasons. This is how dynasties are built. If the United brass is serious about the rebuild, they will give complete freedom to Ole in all footballing matters. Especially, coaching - which is clearly his forte.
In fact, their fans should treat Ole exactly like how we treat Klopp - unadulterated adulation. Complete support from the owners, fans, players, etc., coupled with his own charisma, will help Ole take Manchester United to unprecedented heights within few seasons!

[Romford_Red]

Over on the Caf, a fella started a thread about their 'rebuild', and while he's being hailed for his "sense" by loads of posters, it contains this:

"Until there is genuine stability at United there will be nothing to build upon. By contrast Liverpool stuck with Klopp after an initial period of real uncertainty, where it seemed like the fans where starting to turn against him. The point here is that if United are serious about a rebuild they will have to appoint a manager, stick to him and see it through."

The bolded bit is an amazing slice of fake history - yeah, we had a couple of bad results/performances in 2015-16, but there were also very quickly some amazing performances and it was crystal clear to everyone that we were going in the right direction. We reached two cup finals and I don't remember anyone (in person or on the internet) even suggesting that Klopp wasn't anything but the right man.

To compare anything about Klopp and Solskjaer is pure madness. In terms of track record, authority, charisma or style of play, one is simply levels and levels above the other. At the same point in his reign, 10 months in, Klopp had us smashing Arsenal away and challenging Chelsea at the top of the table while playing amazing stuff. Ole has United in relegation form since March. Laughable even discussing them in the same sentence.

It's amazing that they've conjured this up as part of their desperate, hugely misguided belief that things will just click if you stick with a guy for long enough. Once again, because it happened for Fergie, it's apparently evidence that it'll happen for anyone. As we keep seeing, the fabled "United way" is just "what happened when Fergie was here and we won all them trophies".

The delusion is a joy to behold.

I seem to remember there being a bunch of 'fans' questioning Klopp and insinuating that if he didn't win something soon, he should be binned off.
Obviously that was a minority, but I'd imagine those are the types of people who get to air on TalkSport (because extreme and controversial views is what draws listeners) . So from an external point of view, that may have seemed much more of a legitimate feeling than it actually was.

Their point about appointing a manager and sticking with them is a good one though. Aside from the flurry of managers at the end of H&G and the beginning of FSG, Liverpool have always had patience (remember those 5 year plans?) and I feel that that as much as anything else, is what helped to keep the club relevant.

[decosabute]

I seem to remember there being a bunch of 'fans' questioning Klopp and insinuating that if he didn't win something soon, he should be binned off.
Obviously that was a minority, but I'd imagine those are the types of people who get to air on TalkSport (because extreme and controversial views is what draws listeners) . So from an external point of view, that may have seemed much more of a legitimate feeling than it actually was.

Their point about appointing a manager and sticking with them is a good one though. Aside from the flurry of managers at the end of H&G and the beginning of FSG, Liverpool have always had patience (remember those 5 year plans?) and I feel that that as much as anything else, is what helped to keep the club relevant.

I genuinely don't remember any serious claims that Klopp wasn't the right guy during the first season. Fair enough if you do, but we remember things differently then.

And yeah, patience is fine when it makes sense and there's evidence of the right direction of travel, but are you really going to unironically say that United fans who think they should stick with Solskjaer are right?

[DonkeyWan]

I seem to remember there being a bunch of 'fans' questioning Klopp and insinuating that if he didn't win something soon, he should be binned off.
Obviously that was a minority, but I'd imagine those are the types of people who get to air on TalkSport (because extreme and controversial views is what draws listeners) . So from an external point of view, that may have seemed much more of a legitimate feeling than it actually was.

Their point about appointing a manager and sticking with them is a good one though. Aside from the flurry of managers at the end of H&G and the beginning of FSG, Liverpool have always had patience (remember those 5 year plans?) and I feel that that as much as anything else, is what helped to keep the club relevant.

Exactly that, you can always rustle up a few loons to give the perception of  a manager in trouble. I think there may have been one or two 'thrusts' at that narrative in the media, but they didn't really stick as a blind man could see the difference on a weekly basis.

However, as noted above, the difference in track record and the clear improvements made on the pitch over the first season were such that no one could doubt that Klopp was the right manager for Liverpool, and required some time to get the squad the way he wanted it. Does OGS deserve the same time I wonder? Looking at it from the outside I would say not;

1] His track record is pitiful
2] His persona is that of  a yes man deluded by nostalgia
3] His signings, 90% of what a manager is judged on, are pitifully bad; a championship winger, an orthodox fullback with no skills in attack and an expensive defender unsuited to his manager's style of play. All bought for their Britishness by a Norweigan
4] His departures are worse, getting rid of both his strikers (Sanchez is on loan!) and hoping youth players would fill the gap! Smalling on loan was also crazy.
5] Probably most damning is the awful playing style. All sideways passing, all individualistic.

Sticking by a good manager makes sense, sticking by a shit manager makes none.

[Romford_Red]

And yeah, patience is fine when it makes sense and there's evidence of the right direction of travel, but are you really going to unironically say that United fans who think they should stick with Solskjaer are right?

1] His track record is pitiful
2] His persona is that of  a yes man deluded by nostalgia
3] His signings, 90% of what a manager is judged on, are pitifully bad; a championship winger, an orthodox fullback with no skills in attack and an expensive defender unsuited to his manager's style of play. All bought for their Britishness by a Norweigan
4] His departures are worse, getting rid of both his strikers (Sanchez is on loan!) and hoping youth players would fill the gap! Smalling on loan was also crazy.
5] Probably most damning is the awful playing style. All sideways passing, all individualistic.

Sticking by a good manager makes sense, sticking by a shit manager makes none.

I'm not saying that little Ole Cratchit is the one they should be patient with. They do need to have an actual plan and stick to it though.

[FiSh77]

Exactly that, you can always rustle up a few loons to give the perception of  a manager in trouble. I think there may have been one or two 'thrusts' at that narrative in the media, but they didn't really stick as a blind man could see the difference on a weekly basis.

However, as noted above, the difference in track record and the clear improvements made on the pitch over the first season were such that no one could doubt that Klopp was the right manager for Liverpool, and required some time to get the squad the way he wanted it. Does OGS deserve the same time I wonder? Looking at it from the outside I would say not;

1] His track record is pitiful
2] His persona is that of  a yes man deluded by nostalgia
3] His signings, 90% of what a manager is judged on, are pitifully bad; a championship winger, an orthodox fullback with no skills in attack and an expensive defender unsuited to his manager's style of play. All bought for their Britishness by a Norweigan
4] His departures are worse, getting rid of both his strikers (Sanchez is on loan!) and hoping youth players would fill the gap! Smalling on loan was also crazy.
5] Probably most damning is the awful playing style. All sideways passing, all individualistic.

Sticking by a good manager makes sense, sticking by a shit manager makes none.

What a load of drivel, he's fuckin boss and doing a grand job

[rob1966]

I genuinely don't remember any serious claims that Klopp wasn't the right guy during the first season. Fair enough if you do, but we remember things differently then.

And yeah, patience is fine when it makes sense and there's evidence of the right direction of travel, but are you really going to unironically say that United fans who think they should stick with Solskjaer are right?

That post from the Caf doesn't actually say the poster wants to stick with Solskjaer, he says appoint a manager and stick with him. That is the correct approach, (obviously you need to have a manager capable if given time - OGS certainly isn't that man) if they had pulled the plug at Christmas away to Villa when the away end was singing Fuck off Fergie, Fuck off Fergie as they walked off at HALF TIME, then none of the last 27 years happens. You cannot just keep chopping and changing managers every 2 years and hoping one of them gets it right.

[DonkeyWan]

What a load of drivel, he's fuckin boss and doing a grand job

*cough*

Of course, yes, a wonderful manager who 'gets' the club...

[Mighty Zeus]

Solskjær is an excellent, under-rated manager with everything in his toolbox to seriously surprise a lot of people. He proved that at Molde.

He's a manager who has achieved success at the highest level of the Norwegian football 'pyramid'.

I am completely serious. He has nothing to prove, nothing at all, to us, posters on an internet forum for supporters of his club's chief rival.

If I were a supporter of Manchester United I would be vocally and publicly supporting the little infant-faced goblin. Many of us here (not me, I can see things that many others can't owing to my developed football brain and view of the big picture) will have egg on our faces in the coming years.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

I remember one or two on here being a bit negative on Klopp early on, it was the main reason I started to post.

Don't forget, at the time we had lots of comparisons between Rogers and Klopp from the likes of Sky and TS, which probably helped stoke things up. We also had the likes of Mike Nevin going all contrarian by suggesting he was being given a free pass from criticism before he'd earned it.

Thankfully the vast majority, as others have said, could see what Klopp was doing and gave him the space to get on with it, as did the club. The day clubs start pandering to impatient fans is the day you have to question the quality of leadership at clubs. Look at Everton and Utd as cases in point. Pandering to fans and pulling the trigger is a classic tactic to divert attention away from how clubs are being run.

[harleydanger]

Solskjær is an excellent, under-rated manager with everything in his toolbox to seriously surprise a lot of people. He proved that at Molde.

He's a manager who has achieved success at the highest level of the Norwegian football 'pyramid'.

I am completely serious. He has nothing to prove, nothing at all, to us, posters on an internet forum for supporters of his club's chief rival.

If I were a supporter of Manchester United I would be vocally and publicly supporting the little infant-faced goblin. Many of us here (not me, I can see things that many others can't owing to my developed football brain and view of the big picture) will have egg on our faces in the coming years.

I mean Hodgson couldn’t even get a gig in Norway and had to settle for Sweden

[Fortneef]

Norway is a small town near Sweden.

[Mighty Zeus]

I mean Hodgson couldn’t even get a gig in Norway and had to settle for Sweden

The Norwegian Mega League is a furnace in which only the greatest tools are forged.

[rebel23]

They're so badly run its untrue.

Manchester United have racked up the highest wage bill in Premier League history at £332m, as salary spend continues to grow despite their WORST start to a season for 30 years

Despite making their worst start to a season in 30 years, Manchester United's on-field problems have made no impact on their wage bill after the club published their latest financial results.

The Premier League giants have racked up a staggering spend on player salaries, the highest ever reported by an English side.

Financial documents revealed on Monday show the club's incredible £332million yearly wage bill is an all-time high that has grown by £100m - 43 per cent - in the past three years.

The figures come by way of Swiss Ramble, a financial blogger on Twitter, with United the first Premier League club to publish their numbers for 2018-19.

United continue to pay a number of eye-watering sums to their top players in recent years, despite their woes on the pitch.

Goalkeeper David de Gea recently signed a new £375,000-a-week deal while Paul Pogba earns £290,000-a-week.

The wage bill shot up £36m from £296m to £332m in recent months, largely due to the club's outlay on improving the first team squad.

The £332m figure also includes seven months of wages paid to Alexis Sanchez, who earns £400,000 a week at Old Trafford.

Inter Milan, who took Sanchez on loan this summer, agreed to pay close to £4.5m of the Chile international's £21m annual salary, meaning United are still having to subsidise a significant portion of his wages.

United's Premier League rivals are also due to release their financial results soon but the Red Devils' numbers are even more astonishing when placed in the context of their decline on the pitch.

United look unlikely to challenge for a place in the Champions League next season after a dismal start to the new campaign.

Defeat by Newcastle last time out saw United drop to 12th in the Premier League, two points above the relegation zone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7570431/Man-United-rack-highest-wage-bill-Premier-League-history-332m.html

[FiSh77]

Worth every penny

Mistoh Woodwood is a financial genius

[Lee1-6Liv]

So they're paying Sanchez £317,000 a week to play for Inter 

[harleydanger]

TBF paying Sanchez 300k+ to not play for you is pretty good business.

[Dim Glas]

Over on the Caf, a fella started a thread about their 'rebuild', and while he's being hailed for his "sense" by loads of posters, it contains this:

"Until there is genuine stability at United there will be nothing to build upon. By contrast Liverpool stuck with Klopp after an initial period of real uncertainty, where it seemed like the fans where starting to turn against him. The point here is that if United are serious about a rebuild they will have to appoint a manager, stick to him and see it through."

The bolded bit is an amazing slice of fake history - yeah, we had a couple of bad results/performances in 2015-16, but there were also very quickly some amazing performances and it was crystal clear to everyone that we were going in the right direction. We reached two cup finals and I don't remember anyone (in person or on the internet) even suggesting that Klopp wasn't anything but the right man.
<snip for space>

As well as their obsession with trying to use Klopp as an example of how it can work for Solskjer, another of their newest obsessions for those who don't believe in Solskjaer and who want Pochetinnno (and there are plenty) is comparing Pochetinno's struggles at Spurs to Klopp's last season at Dortmund.

There is only actually one way they might be comparable - the cycle of part of the team has likely run it's course, and they need to make some serious changes to player personel.

Other than that, nothing is comprable.

Basically, they seem obsessed with using Kloppo as the barometer for anything manager related 

[TealC]

Ole has 100% success rate with signings (so far), he's been brilliant at promoting youth and he's been equally brilliant at culling the squad members who shouldn't be here. Where's he's been poor is at game management, coaching and tactics.

Solskjaer has shown he's capable at the DoF aspects of his current role. You can talk about 'success' elsewhere, but nowhere else has the same history, traditions and fan base expectations as you'll find at Old Trafford. Only Ole and SAF have shown they can do it at this club.

DoD would be perfect for him.


Redcafe   

[afc tukrish]

I do remember some bellends questioning Klopp early on, I had a couple of arguments with my own brother about it - he was dropped on his head as a baby, so he at least has an excuse for chatting shit at times.

Solskjaer is a shit manager, that is all there is to it.

Maybe Solskjaer was dropped on his head as a baby...

[Ghost Town]

Ole has 100% success rate with signings (so far), he's been brilliant at promoting youth and he's been equally brilliant at culling the squad members who shouldn't be here. Where's he's been poor is at game management, coaching and tactics.

Solskjaer has shown he's capable at the DoF aspects of his current role. You can talk about 'success' elsewhere, but nowhere else has the same history, traditions and fan base expectations as you'll find at Old Trafford. Only Ole and SAF have shown they can do it at this club.

DoD would be perfect for him.


Redcafe   

Well he is diddy...

[CraigDS]

Ole has 100% success rate with signings (so far), he's been brilliant at promoting youth and he's been equally brilliant at culling the squad members who shouldn't be here. Where's he's been poor is at game management, coaching and tactics.

Solskjaer has shown he's capable at the DoF aspects of his current role. You can talk about 'success' elsewhere, but nowhere else has the same history, traditions and fan base expectations as you'll find at Old Trafford. Only Ole and SAF have shown they can do it at this club.

DoD would be perfect for him.


Redcafe   

Gotta be a scouser on a wind up, surely?

[Agent99]

Danny Mills fucking hates us but in a combined first 11 he chose Liverpool players for every position. He even said if our three first choice midfielders were not available (the area which is apparently not top class) he would most likely choose our second three